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damatrixz
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7. June 2004 @ 09:44 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
they sent me a letter for downloading through direct connect software, dc++

i have peerguardian and sygate installed on machine

how could this happen

and wut can they do to me

Dear Customer,
>
> We are writing on behalf of Cox Communications to advise you that we have
received a notification that you are using your Cox High Speed Internet
service to post or transmit material that infringes the copyrights of a
complainant's members. We have included a copy of the complaint letter.
Pursuant to the provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act ("DMCA"),
which is codified at 17 U.S.C. § 512, upon receiving such notification, Cox
is required to "act expeditiously to remove, or disable access to" the
infringing material in order to avoid liability for any alleged copyright
infringement. Accordingly, Cox will suspend your account and disable your
connection to the Internet within 24 hours of your receipt of this email if
the offending material is not removed.
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> Please be aware that the DMCA also provides procedures by which a
subscriber accused of copyright violation can respond to the allegations of
infringement and, under certain circumstances, cause his or her account to
be reinstated. To do so, however, the response must meet certain criteria.
Pursuant to section (g) of the DMCA (17 U.S.C. § 512(g)), you have the
right to submit to Cox a counter-notification which, to be effective, must
include the following elements:
>
> (a) a physical or electronic signature of the subscriber;
> (b) identification of the material that has been removed or to which
access has been disabled and the location at which the material appeared
before it was removed or disabled;
> (c) a statement under penalty of perjury that the subscriber has a good
faith belief that the material was removed or disabled as a result of
mistake or misidentification of the material to be removed or disabled;
> (d) the subscriberÂ's name, address, and telephone number and a statement
that the subscriber consents to the jurisdiction of the Federal District
Court for the judicial district in which the address is located.
>
> In the event that you submit to Cox a counter-notification that includes
these elements, Cox will forward your counter notification to the
complainant and advise them that Cox will cease disabling access to the
allegedly infringing material in ten (10) business days. Unless the
complainant notifies us that it has filed an action seeking a court order to
restrain you from engaging in the allegedly infringing activity prior to the
expiration of those ten (10) business days, Cox will reactivate your
account.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The Cox Abuse Team
>
> --- The following material was provided to us as evidence ---
>
>
> [Part 0 (plain text)]
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> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
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> Cox Communications
> 1400 Lake Hearn
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>
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>
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> Re: Unauthorized Use of "MGM" Property
> Notice ID:122531
> Notice Date:4 Jun 2004 20:44:53 GMT
> Case ID: 2096656
>
> Dear Sir or Madam:
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> "MGM", Inc. and its affiliated companies (collectively, "MGM") are the
exclusive owners of copyrights in motion pictures and television, including
the property listed below.
>
> It has come to our attention that Cox Communications is the service
provider for the IP address listed below, from which unauthorized copying
and distribution (downloading, uploading, file serving, file "swapping" or
other similar activities) of "MGM"'s (property)(s) listed below is taking
place. We believe that the Internet access of the user engaging in this
infringement is provided by Cox Communications or a downstream service
provider who purchases this connectivity from Cox Communications.
>
> This unauthorized copying and distribution constitutes copyright
infringement under Section 106 of the U.S. Copyright Act . Depending upon
the type of service Cox Communications is providing to this IP address, it
may have legal and/or equitable liability if it does not expeditiously
remove or disable access to the (property)(s) listed below, or if it fails
to implement a policy that provides for termination of subscribers who are
repeat infringers (see, 17 U.S.C. §512).
>
> Despite the above, "MGM" believes that the entire Internet community
benefits when these matters are resolved cooperatively. We urge you to take
immediate action to stop this infringing activity and inform us of the
results of your actions. We appreciate your efforts toward this common goal.
>
> The undersigned has a good faith belief that use of the (property)(s) in
the manner described herein is not authorized by "MGM", its agent or the
law. The information contained in this notification is accurate. Under
penalty of perjury, the undersigned is authorized to act on behalf of "MGM"
with respect to this matter.
>
> Please be advised that this letter is not and is not intended to be a
complete statement of the facts or law as they may pertain to this matter or
of "MGM"'s positions, rights or remedies, legal or equitable, all of which
are specifically reserved.
>
> Very truly yours,
>
> Sarah Bergman
> Compliance Manager
> BayTSP, Inc.
> PO Box 1314
> Los Gatos, CA 95031
>
> v: 408-341-2300
> f: 408-341-2399
>
> *pgp public key is available on the key server at ldap://keyserver.pgp.com
> Note: The information transmitted in this Notice is intended only for the
person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential
and/or privileged material. Any review, reproduction, retransmission,
dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon,
this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is
prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and
delete the material from all computers
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Toiletman
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7. June 2004 @ 12:10 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Peerguardian and other blocking programs such as this weren't designed to block ISPs, they were designed to stop bullshit companies such as RIAA to stop invading your privacy. After all, if you want to block your ISP completely, you would have to unplug your connection :)

(Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

So... I would say, unlucky.

Everyone is entitled to their own true opinion. Either respect that or don't.


damatrixz
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7. June 2004 @ 19:33 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
you are so very wrong, why would i do something so unthinkable as block my ip

if you looked at the included message you would have realised the RIAA contacted cox who in turn then contacted me

think before you post
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7. June 2004 @ 19:53 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
You downloaded (or someone downloaded from you) a copywrited MGM Movie, that is all they are saying, they could only know this (becasue you have PeerGuardian installed) if an employer of Cox Internet, downloaded something from and reported you or it could have been some stupid person that felt like reporting you for downloading/uploading an illegal file (the Copyrighted Movie or whatever it was). Maybe you really did not have PeerGuardian running or it was not updated correctly.

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damatrixz
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10. June 2004 @ 20:57 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
well i have it on, and i try and get the new list every 2wks

they said that somebody was dling it from me

cant i get arrested for this type of behavoir, i thought dloading was illegal now

the RIAA arent they suing the filesharers
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10. June 2004 @ 22:11 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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mikeg520
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11. June 2004 @ 04:55 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hi, I just got this exact same letter today. They threatened to shut my internet off in 24 hours, did they shut yours down?
guesswho3
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11. June 2004 @ 14:06 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
at least you guys received a letter. they just shut off my service without notification! I had to call in and ensure them that I was no longer sharing said movie files. i was using emule/edonkey, and they mentioned which movie files were shared by name, and the files were shared less than 48 hrs! I thought they at least had to send me a warning letter.
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11. June 2004 @ 14:16 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
That is crap, I say get rid of Cox and get a internet service that does not spy on you.
I have qwest and i have never got anything like that at all.

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oso
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11. June 2004 @ 14:28 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Weird, that all these came out about the same time. Is Sarah Bergman the head of one of those companies that search P2P networks for uploaders that is independent from the actual motion picture company?

I've seen her on those letters across many ISPS and Companies. I got one last night when, Cable One shut off my internet at midnight and redirected all webpage requests to the letter from Sony and a form that I had to fill out stating it was removed under oath. My connection was back up by 9am.

My big concern is, has anyone had one of these warnings in the past and had nothing come of it? I'm just scared of getting sued or something bad coming that I don't even know is possible.

It'd be nice to hear from someone who has been through this, same letter-one file or movie, and not had any legal or law trouble over it.

Thanks.
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11. June 2004 @ 15:18 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
http://www.baytsp.com/solutions_copyright.html

thats the site of the company that sent the letter to you.

Also, i found out that bayTSP is BLOCKED by PeerGuardian, one question, what program where you using? This might be why PeerGuardian did NOT work.

P.S. to prevent further letters being sent go here:
http://methlabs.org/PeerGuardian_v1.99_pr14.zip
Also make sure and get this update:
http://methlabs.org/PeerGuardian_v1.99_pr14-2.zip
miniman72
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12. June 2004 @ 20:42 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I also got a letter and was temporarily disconnected by Cable One. I was running peerguardian, the newest release. I had been using a router to share my internet connection. The router I have does not have NAT therefore it just forwards all traffic to DC++. I found out that peerguardian looks at the ip of the router and says hey that ip (192.168.0.1) is not on the block list so it was letting everyone connect. I plug in to my cable modem directly now and get at least 1 hit a day from Disney so now it is doing its job. If you are running a router or access point to connect to the internet this my be how they got through.

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mikeg520
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14. June 2004 @ 09:39 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well, my internet is still working so I guess the first letter was just a warning.
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14. June 2004 @ 09:53 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well first of all this is NOT the RIAA, its MGM. Basically the tactic is to download something on a P2P network and record the IP Adress you download it from, then contact the ISP. Trust me, when it comes to downloading, they dont have a case, i mean, the only way they could know you were downloading is if you were downloading from them, then a court would laugh and tell them to go away.

When it comes to peerguardian, unfortunately many users on P2P are paid to monitor uploaders ILLEGALLY! Such organisations as NetPD are at this. NetPD think they are a police department, just a bunch of idiots with nothing better to do than try to make money off other peoples misfortune online. they dont even have a proper website because they know it would be hacked so much. Just a bunch of scared little girls. They also said that all P2P downloaders do is hide behind their computers, when they are doing it themselves! Someone do em a favour and kill em! lol

As for the letters, its nothing new, its been going on for months now! Doesn't stop P2P at all, its still as strong as it ever was! I would however, like to see a P2P network or a user who got a letter stanbd up to it and ask why his/her privacy rights were violated, it doesnt matter, a cop cant break into my home, find something illegal and then say it doesnt matter than he invaded my privacy right sbecause it does. You by law should be able to sue MGM for this. They however could sue you for copyright infringement in which case you could play dumb and say,u had no idea it was uploading the file, you did not INTENTIONALLY break the law which is the case for most people! The worst thing that can possible happen is you lose your internet service. So far movie companies havent sued normal p2p users for sharing stuff, i think they know better than to sue their own customers!
oso
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14. June 2004 @ 11:56 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Thanks for the intelligent well thought out response.
socal619
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16. June 2004 @ 14:57 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I just got an email from Cox today too! The strange thing was that BayTSP got me for the wrong thing. They said that they downloaded Borland JBuilder X Enterprise disk 3 from me on eMule. They even listed the FileID. Funny thing was...I have never downloaded it. I checked my FileIDs in eMule and found an adult video of Jesse Jane that had the exact same FileID! I called Cox and explained to them. They were actually nice about the whole thing. They told me they deal with letters from these types of companies every day. They said that as long as you delete it and don't get caught again, you'll be fine. They said they have a "3-strikes" policy. Luckily, my issue is not going to count against me.
damatrixz
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16. June 2004 @ 18:34 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
well yes i have peerguardian, but i think my f***ing vonage device is messing around with it, since the guy above said something similar

does anybody know how to go around that problem

they said as long as i deleted the file, they wont shut my service off, cox isnt that bad, they just have to issue the warning, i checked their website, and they said they have to obey the law, they try but they will give personal info if ordered by court

*DELA, the best resonse

i was really scared and stopped using dc++
i may still stop, since i dont want any further
warnings and avoid going to jail, since im 19 now
damatrixz
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16. June 2004 @ 18:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
guesswho*

maybe you did, but it went to junk mail filter
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27. July 2004 @ 20:44 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hi guys.

I got a letter of the same kind also, for Spiderman 2. Bah. The quality wasn't even that good to watch. I removed the file, let them know. Of course, I got some nothing auto-response from them.

Will they contact me again or will I just have to wait the 24 hrs to see if my account will be suspended? They better not suspend my account because I deleted the fucking files. Grrrr, stupid facist internet provider...

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mikeg520
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28. July 2004 @ 01:01 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Don't worry, the first time is just a warning. Don't share any files and you'll be fine.
isis1774
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30. July 2004 @ 13:00 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I just got a letter today, and I can't seem to get a straight answer from Cox at all, first they said they thought it was a fraudulant letter, then I was told there was nothing on my account stating I would be disconnected, and now I am waiting on the phone to talk to the tech guys again, (however the first CSR i jsut talked to said he was surprised and said he might be getting letter himself because he does the same thing!) I just don't want to be disconnected from my internet service for something that I didn't even know was a problem... I just used bit torrent, sharing files, I could have just as easily got a tape for the TV show's I downloaded from a friend... that's not illeagle...anyway,.... here's hoping I can get a straight answer. .....

Just got off the phone, they still didn't seem to know what I was talking about, but they said that as long as the file was removed from my system all should be ok... They said that Cox can't and doesn't look into what people are downloading, and it's up to the company to go any further... My only concern now, is that there were actually five episodes of DLM on there, and now I have to go through this for all five... but the CSR assured me that as long as the files were no longer on my computer that there wasn't a problem. How do they know what's on my computer I asked her, she said anyone at anytime can get into you computer and look... that's a freaking scarey thought!

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oso
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30. July 2004 @ 13:28 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Its been about 6 weeks since mine, and basically you have nothing to be worried about if you stop downloading. Bit torrent is possibly the worst thing ever for downloading things, because the access and focus its getting from watchdog companies is unreal. I doubt you'll get a letter for each episode, I had previously thought the same thing, but never did. Its just getting bad, infringing on privacy that companies are threatening ISPs and they're folding and searching us. Of course, if it stops some harmful things I guess it could be good.
isis1774
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30. July 2004 @ 18:37 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
It's just crazy, and I feel violated... That means that anyone can see what I have on my system anytime they want...luckily it's not that exciting. hehe.

But really when you think about it, what's next. I can't share music with a friend, but I can copy and burn a CD and physically give it to them as a gift and that's fine. I can tape or tivo shows all the time, watch them at my leisure, but I can't dl a show. People can hide popup trojans and other viruses in my computer without my knowledge and that's not illegal, but someone can look through my ISP and see what I dl and it's fine! There has to be a line, a place to start to fight against this... If I can't dl things free, that's fine... but give me opportunities to see and hear things in other forms. List my shows (Which happened to be Dead Like Me) on sites and charge for them. I would have gladly paid a moderate fee instead of subscribing to Showtime for something that I didn't want. You can buy music by the song now, instead of paying for a whole crappy CD that isn't worth $15 bucks... Unfortuanatly or maybe fortunatly, depending on how you look at things, it's a whole new world out there and Companies that have been major players in the past are going to have to adapt to it... When you look at shows (and these are only examples that I am familiar with) like Buffy or Dead Like Me, part of what makes them the show's that they are is the support from the Net. Message boards, Websites drive viewers to see it more. It's not simply tune in on Tuesday and wait each week to see it. It's a whole world of discussion and debate and speculation. It's a community across the world in this Brave New World... Companies are going to have to get with the program. I am just so mad, and I don't know where or how to start to fight it.
bruuil
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12. August 2004 @ 17:59 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
i received the same letter entitled "Cox Abuse Tracking System" which says that MGM has informed them of my IP address downloading one of their materials.

Where is the government in all this? Shouldn't Cox move on threats only made by the government? Why MGM?

What are some alternative companys to switch to in stead of using this company that may have infringed my constitutionally implied privacy rights?

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8. February 2007 @ 16:02 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
it started from 2004 and i got letter after three years

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