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9. October 2007 @ 23:08 |
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the 175 is by far the best stock, and will also overclock the furthest, but if you're going to push quite far, the 3800+ will still serve you well.
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9. October 2007 @ 23:50 |
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So Sam...You think its worth it to go to the Toledo over the San Diego?..I wasn't considering the 175 until the price went down...
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10. October 2007 @ 02:25 |
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it's up to you really, if you're going to be overclocking the underwear off it, go with the 175, hands down, but if you're just after a light overclock, you can get almost as good performance out of the lower end chips. All in all the 175 will perform better regardless, it's just a question of finance versus gain.
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10. October 2007 @ 04:32 |
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Lp,
The best bang for the buck is w/o a doubt the 3800 Toledo for $60. I've read that it will OC better than the 3800 Manchester even tho both are very good cpu's. NOW the Opty 175 is GREAT!!! I have a buddy with that exact cpu, btw he paid $200+ for it. LOL. He loves it and it performs just as expected from an Opty. :D
Personally I don't think you can go wrong with either chip (processor) it depends on your pocket book at the time. You know that either chip will do just fine in your HTPC BUT it's so difficult to PASS an Opty for less than $120. :P
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dreamer2
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10. October 2007 @ 12:04 |
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after i made my pc my friend wants me to make a pc for him but he says his budget is 500 to 600 and he is not into that much gaming. could somebody give the specification for 500$ pc thanks
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10. October 2007 @ 13:18 |
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Originally posted by Slayer665:
intel graphics media accelerator x3000 .....Wat is that?.....
it have a bilt in graphics card
LOL, that reminds me, there a local computer store , that has an add for a computer with a x1950xt card, but according to them you can get a free upgrade to a intel x3000 intel graphics media accelerator , so just for fun I called them and asked how can you consider that an upgrade? So the sales guy said"what are you using the computer for" and I told him gaming, He tried to tell me it'll work much better than the x1950xt card will for gaming(took me a couple to stop laughing at him). I told him you should really change the add to read "a free downgrade to a x3000", because you a ripping people off.
It's really kinda sad people go to these places, lay down their hard earned cash and get ripped off without even knowing it.
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10. October 2007 @ 14:59 |
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That's disgusting. I'm appalled.
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10. October 2007 @ 16:32 |
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10. October 2007 @ 16:46 |
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11. October 2007 @ 07:13 |
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I'm a little disappointed. I just bought and installed a creative sound blaster audigy SE sound card. well to make a long story short, the sound improvement compared to the onboard audio of my asus P5W DH Deluxe mobo is very little if any. I tried to tell ppl this mobo has the best onboard sound I've ever heard as far as onboard sound goes but yet they all said a sound card will blow away any onboard sound. well I beg to differ in this case.
I agree that the onboard sound on most mobo's suck and a sound card is the way to go but if you have an asus P5W DH Deluxe mobo or similiar, don't waste your money on a sound card unless your into extreme gaming.
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11. October 2007 @ 09:26 |
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To be quite honest, most onboard sound is very good. I mainly got PCI sound cards like that one as a 'just in case', it is a basic card after all. Sound quality these days is far more down to the speakers than the sound card. 'gaming sound cards' are a farce. They're great for music editing because of the higher bandwidth, but for gaming there's no need to have anything special.
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11. October 2007 @ 19:32 |
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12. October 2007 @ 02:44 |
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12. October 2007 @ 08:06 |
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sammorris..What's the if,and,& buts with PSU..Way back when I was in construction,amps was the important factor on Electrical equipment.Low ampers would overheat equipment,and cause burnouts.I've noticed that wattage seems to be the important factor with most mentioned PSUs here.Is wattage more important then amps ?
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12. October 2007 @ 10:58 |
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Ok i got a question about dual/quad core processors.
I have an E6550 Intel C2D. It's clocked at 2.33GHz. But what i want to know, is if each core is clocked at 2.33Ghz or each core is clocked at about 1655MHz (or what ever is 2.33 divided by two)
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12. October 2007 @ 11:07 |
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each core is clocked at 2.33ghz
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12. October 2007 @ 12:21 |
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4.66GHz!? AWESOME! :D
Thanks.
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12. October 2007 @ 12:31 |
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no, it's not 4.66ghz. the clock speed is still 2.33ghz only you have two cores, each one at 2.33ghz. the clock speed remains the same. the clock speed isn't doubled. same as having two 2.33ghz cpu's. same clock speed only you can perform twice the tasks. it won't necessarily be twice as fast.
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12. October 2007 @ 14:17 |
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rick, Volts x amps = watts, as I'm sure you know. Since volts must ALWAYS be the same for PCs, else they won't work right, or they'll get fried, you're talking about the same thing.
The maximum wattage of the unit isn't really worth much these days, it comes down to what wattage can be produced on the 12V rail (so you're looking at an amps figure for that) and what brand the unit is. Cheap PSUs do more than just overheat, they can cause fires, and all sorts of other disasters.
OmriSama: Dual cores do not equal double the clock speed, they merely allow you to run two things at once at the same speed. Just because each core is clocked at 2.33Ghz, that still means if you run most programs, they'll run like you have a 2.33Ghz single core. If a program's dual core compatible, then technically it will run faster (although not quite 4.66Ghz fast) but very few programs are.
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12. October 2007 @ 14:41 |
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sammorris..OK Thanks for the insight
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13. October 2007 @ 02:15 |
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No problem. In this order:
1. Brand
2. Amps rating on 12V rails
3. Total wattage
A 500W cheap power supply isn't good for running any more than a P4 with integrated graphics. A 500W quality power supply can run almost anything, provided it puts out enough on the 12V rails.
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13. October 2007 @ 13:18 |
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So AMPS are most important on the 12v rail.The more AMPS the better off U are
Now let me see if I understand..3 12v rails at 14amps equals 42 amps
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13. October 2007 @ 14:54 |
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Yes, BUT 14A is very low for a single rail, the most powerful graphics cards could potentially draw more than 14A by themselves, and they would only draw power from one rail. If that's the spec of a power supply, I don't think I'd recommend it. Look for 16A or above per rail ideally.
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13. October 2007 @ 20:36 |
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sammorris..Most of the ATIs I think require around 25amp.I know the Radeon X1900 GT does anyway..So probably I would be better off with a single rail 49amp or above.Would I not
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14. October 2007 @ 01:11 |
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No, they don't require 25A. They ask that your Power supply has a minimum of 25A available for everything. The graphics card only uses a part of it. They recommend you have a power supply that can put out 25A or more on the 12V line because that 25A has to power the GPU, CPU and the disk drives.
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