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10. January 2009 @ 19:01 |
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stock intel cooler easily gets the i920 to atleast 3.8
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10. January 2009 @ 19:06 |
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The i7 cooler has obviously changed then. I was referring to the Yorkfield stock cooler, which to be fair, is the Phenom II's comparison.
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10. January 2009 @ 23:40 |
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Wow I've been gone for 10 days!! Lots of holiday family stuff and helping Vanessa move. (Vanessa is the sister of Miles - Valve animator - all the Left4Dead animation.)
Another long post for Ray to complain about, damn him! Hahahaha!
Originally posted by Ray:
I actually enjoy your posts alot man (even if they take a few hours to get through :P joke)
It's like you really put alot of emotion into them ;)
Also, the whole PTA playing GTA4 quote was HILARIOUS, you my friend are funny
Hahahaha! Thanks Ray - I try. I'm glad you liked that PTA bit. Poor thing, the GTA4 microstuttering was just soooo frustrating - my favorite part is where she talks about flattening the two pedestrians. Hahahaha. (Yeah, she's a gangsta')
But in Karen's comments back to me, I picked up on that she maybe took a very slight exception to the PTA bit - the link she gave me showed I was being an ignorant chauvinist about the PTA moms - lots of interesting statistics:
Originally posted by Binkie's (Karen's) link:
3. The average game player is 35 years old and has been playing games for 13 years.
4. The average age of the most frequent game purchaser is 40 years old.
5. Forty percent of all game players are women. In fact, women over the age of 18 represent a significantly greater portion of the game-playing population (33 percent) than boys age 17 or younger (18 percent).
6. In 2008, 26 percent of Americans over the age of 50 played video games, an increase from nine percent in 1999.
Those are friggin' amazing statistics LOL. Everybody's gaming!!! (Miles will always have job security lol!)
Yeah, Dave Chapelle is the bomb - so you've seen those episodes. I didn't start picking up on him until I caught his DVDs - he was already off to South Africa - hey that's where you are - did you see him? LOL
Speaking about "hilarious", that chapelle skit with the kid who says: "He's hilarious!" is one of my all time favorites. On the director's commentary, Dave and his writing partner are talking, and they said they auditioned a bunch of kids, and they ended up hiring THAT particular kid, just because of how he said THAT particular word - missing teeth and all. Pretty good skit!
I think Chapelle just became overcome by all the pressure. He said - I think it was on Oprah - he was doing a skit with himself in black face, like the old minstrel singers, and one crew member, maybe one of the camermen, was laughing so hard - that for the first time he got the feeling he was being laughed at, rather than laughed with.
Well, I have to say, that Dave in black face IS kind of excruciatingly funny, if you think about it. The humor is SO ironic - I would have been standing there just dying too and having a hard time with the camera. For him to start getting those kinds of paranoid ideas just tells me he was under too much pressure.
No question Chapelle is absolutely a top rate comic genius of all time - probably ranks right up there with Charlie Chaplin - what do you limies say about that, Sam, Shaff, Boozer? And his writing partner, the white guy, is exceptional too - from the director's commentary it appeared that he wrote most of the skit about "Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?" Hahahaha. Another killer skit.
I'll always be a fan of Chapelle's - it will be fun to see him come back with some new series, or some movies. Russell Peters - the name sounds familiar but I can't say I know who he is. But now that you mention him, I'll keep an eye out. Is it the kind of rascism that chapelle uses - kind of reverse rascism - or is it mean-spirited rascism? (Which would be kind of not in keeping with the times - the Obama times!!) HISTORIC TIMES!!! CONGRATULATIONS AMERICA FOR MAKING A BIG LEAP OVER THE RACIAL DIVIDE!!!
Estuansis, you like the graphics of COD5 - fantastic - it just came in the mail from ebay.
Originally posted by estuansis:
just got done with WaW. A lot of really thrilling moments and the graphics are almost perfect. The water is incredible. The real-time lighting is amazing. It definitely outclasses CoD4 in graphics, IMO. All told the performance is about half the FPS of CoD4. But it earns it.
But HALF the fps of COD4 - oh no! - I'm in big fat trouble!
Well, thank god I came to my senses and I'll be ditching the P4 and picking up that sweet "2 oz of extra copper" Gigabyte cf GA-EP45-UD3P mobo that Sam told me to get ($116 after rebate at newegg) and the Q6600.
Hey all, Sam, will it make any difference really if I get the 4 gig Corsair two stick ram ddr2 800 for $25 after $30 rebate, or is it important for ultimate Q6600 overclocking to get the Corsair Dominator 4 gigs ddr2 1066 with fan for $69 after $40 rebate? I will be held back somewhat in my max stable overclock because of needing to use the Freezer 7 Pro for space limitations - (I would love to be able to use the Tuniq and get 3.7 like estuansis) - so is the cheaper ram just as good or should I spend the extra $45?
Originally posted by TheftAuto:
CoD5 has a more badass feel to it than CoD4. The dogs are more badass and less cheap than the helicopter, as you have a better chance with the dogs to not only survive, but gain some points.
Nice review Theft. Yeah, sure. I want to go find you and contribute to your 5 to 1 mofo kill ratio, hahahaha. You and shaff. Hey shaff, you've met your match!!
But seriously, speaking of ps3, that's why I've been gone for 10 days. I just bought a little home theater system for Vanessa as a house warming present, and it included a blue ray, but it's not all completely hooked up yet - I just ordered an optical to coax digital converter for example so I can feed the sound out from the 24" Samsung HD monitor to the Philips little 5.1 hts ($200 at costco!!) Anyway, the blue ray is not yet hooked up although Vanessa's boyfriend tried to make it work, but when I go back up there to LA maybe next week I think I'll take the blue ray back to costco and swap for the PS3 if they let me, and they have a bundle with an extra remote and COD5 for $499.
So Theft, if I get the PS3 going, I'll be sure to look up PigHeadedBeast - instead of all that dog food you've been eating, you might as well dine on me! Hahahaha!
Seriously though, for the extra couple hundred, it makes more sense to get the whole ps3 gaming system, wifi internet browsing, 80 gig expandable drive, etc. right? Since you have one, Theft, you'd probably agree.
Yeah, Shaff, I got xfire. But I am getting completely massacred on the creek map, and also on Chinatown, and I don't have my rhythm back, so until I am at least 1 to 1 or better I don't want to play against you or Theft or anybody else who is going to humiliate me even worse than I am now, hahahaha! I am not playing regularly, and I get rusty really fast!
Also part of the problem is that I'm getting micro-stuttering - I don't know if punkbuster is acting up - also I am getting kicked from time to time. I googled and followed some of their suggestions - but I think the real cure is the hardware upgrade - I'll be able to run the little punkbuster stuff easily with that quad and I won't know it's there.
Originally posted by boozer:
I started playing COD5 with my buddies and I was SOO EXCITED when it looked like COD2, but then I hated it because it played like COD4 haha. COD2 is my favorite game of all time :D
Booze are you still on the holiday sauce? Yeah COD2 kicked major ass, but COD4 - look at Estuansis' 9.5 ranking - maybe best of all time!!!!
Nice mouse discussion guys. I took note - I'll come back to it. I never bought a good gaming mouse, but after the $600 upgrade I might as well get a decent mouse. Maybe the steelseries - what do you think about that one shaff? I copied the entirety of shaff's post about the side buttons - I've seen his high scoring - like TheftAuto - on his xfire profile lol. The idea of not hardly ever needing to move off the WASD makes a lot of sense. You and me both, Sam - if we're gonna get better on COD4 we'll have to use the side buttons.
Ray, you're cruising along on those Crysis games. You like the jungle better than the outback? You're right there in SA while we here are just imagining what it's like. Have you been to those types of terrains - is it realistic?
I'm with you, estuansis, I'd like to see AMD surge forward. Looks like Sam's got some strong arguments that they aren't quite there yet. Isn't there a Phenom 3 coming pretty soon? By the way, what about those results from the last two pages of the greek translated review that Russ referenced in the builder thread, where the phenom got beat at 1280x1024 in crysis, but at the higher 1680x1050 the phenoms, both of them, wiped out even the best and most expensive i7 processor. Russ said they had tuned the phenom for certain popular resolutions and he thought that their tuned range would include 1920x1200. What have you heard about that, Sam, or estuansis? Estuansis, if you didn't see that article, I'll find the link again for you.
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11. January 2009 @ 10:31 |
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Good to hear from ya rich ;)
I needed my *rich's long posts* fix :P
You my friend are mistaken
When I say SA, I mean Saudi Arabia, as in middle of the desert in the middle east. Not South Africa, so I have no idea what the outback looks like ;)
Looking forward to playing Warhead soon
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11. January 2009 @ 11:05 |
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I thought Australia was the outback, not South Africa.
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11. January 2009 @ 12:31 |
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Abuzar: it is
Ray: I too think South Africa, when SA is mentioned. Sorry!
Rich: Welcome back. 800mhz RAM will do fine for a 6600, but 1066 is highly recommended if you ever go further up the scale.
It's worth mentioning that at present, ATI cards run COD:WAW far slower in certain sections than nvidia cards, though average performance is fairly similar in the bits that aren't troublesome. Hopefully a driver update will fix this - note it applies to single and crossfire setups.
In my experience, Punkbuster is unreliable on any system, and nearly impossible to use with cracked games, which is no bad thing, but it does screw over legitimate users sometimes, especially if your internet connection is a bit on the slow side.
The answer to the i7 question is that in a few games, the Phenom IIs do beat the i7s, that is not because the AMDs do well though, it's that the i7s do poorly, the Core 2 Quad wipes the floor with both, and overall is the best of the three series for gaming.
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11. January 2009 @ 13:14 |
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The outback is Australia , my bad
No worries guys
Most people tend to think South Africa when SA is mentioned, guess I should just say KSA Kingdom of Saudi Arabia ;)
Also, by how much does 2xAA reduce frames, beacuse I play far cry 2 at 1280x800 with 2xAA high [some medium setting] and runs well :D:D
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11. January 2009 @ 14:00 |
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It's a reasonable performance drop, but is less memory critical than 4x or 8x.
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11. January 2009 @ 14:01 |
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Yes, but with a Phenom II, other than Crysis, what games will I notice the difference in? A 3.4GHz+ Phenom is more than enough for most games. I'd really like to make my system all AMD and the Phenom IIs deliver "good enough" performance for me. They clock well and match the Core 2 Quad decently. Maybe it's a stupid choice but I've wanted this kind of Phenom badly.
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11. January 2009 @ 14:03 |
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You badly want a different CPU that's marginally slower than the one you already have? It will cost you money to change even when if sell the other stuff. Suit yourself :S
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11. January 2009 @ 14:18 |
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AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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11. January 2009 @ 14:22 |
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Times have certainly changed eh? :) Get the DS4H then, it's the specific board advertised for overclocking the Phenom II beyond 3.6. It may be no different from the DS4, but on the other hand, it may be completely different.
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11. January 2009 @ 20:05 |
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when i7 gets beat, its not bad, maybe 1-2%, but stick in a dual GPU or Tri or quad, and you will see i7 beat the pants of phenomII and C2Q
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12. January 2009 @ 06:54 |
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I've yet to see any reports of this. It wouldn't surprise me to find it's the case, but so far I've not seen anything like that.
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Times have certainly changed eh? :) Get the DS4H then, it's the specific board advertised for overclocking the Phenom II beyond 3.6. It may be no different from the DS4, but on the other hand, it may be completely different.
Indeed. Good find sam. Vastly superior chipset cooling on the DS4H should mean better OCing and a cooler northbridge. Will be getting that one then.
Also, I don't even consider i7 competitive because you STILL have to pay vastly more to get a comparable system. I won't even consider the possibility. Besides, when the prices on X58 boards and DDR3 have dropped into the realm of sanity, i7 is going to be old news.
Here's the lowest priced X58 board I would even consider.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128366
I paid about $100 less for my X38.
Here's the lowest priced i7(AFAIK).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202
Again, paid about $100 less for my Q6600.
Plus a set of my favorite branded DDR3 mmemory.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146777
You can get a comparable set of DDR2 for about $70.
So in switching to AMD's fastest instead of Intel's fastest, I am saving several hundred because it doesn't require me to buy new memory and a ludicrously priced board(for the features offered). If i7 was my only choice, I'd rather stick with my Q6600 and X38 board just because they represent a vastly better value.
Also, name one real world gaming application where I will notice a difference between Core 2 Quad and a Phenom II, let alone a Core 2 Quad and an i7. I play all my games maxed, and I doubt a Phenom II will have much bearing on that. Besides, I thought we already decided that Crysis was a poorly coded system hog...
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Well, the prices of i7 boards have now at least dropped below the cost of enthusiast boards for socket 775. An EX58-UD3R costs less than a Rampage Formula in the UK. As far as games are cncerned, what you can build in i7 for £570 (E58-UD3R, 6GB Corsair XMS3, i7 920) will be marginally superior to what you can build for Core 2 Quad for £400 (Q9450, 4GB XMS2, EP45-UD3R) which is far from double. For video editing, an i7 920 will even best a Q9650, which puts the price about even.
Crysis may be poorly coded, but that doesn't mean it isn't the future of gaming. The standard of programming in PC games is still falling even now, the worst title to date being one of the most recent, GTA4. The requirement to get that game relatively lag-free is a 3Ghz minimum Core 2 Quad, so a Phenom II probably wouldn't be able to keep up. It also requires 2GB of video RAM maxed out (or says it does)
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12. January 2009 @ 14:20 |
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Which is why I played GTA4 on the 360. It doesn't even LOOK as good as its performance indicates like Crysis does. The super system hogs are performing way lower than any other games. Orange Box, CoD4, Dead Space, Far Cry 2. All of these are as recent as Crysis and none of them are NEAR as demanding as Crysis or GTA 4. I'm not worried about a few games. A 3.4GHz Phenom II should deliver satisfying performance with Crysis anyway. Depending on where voltages take me, I could be sitting happily at 3.4-3.6GHz and not notice much, if any, difference.
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12. January 2009 @ 14:28 |
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someone play on COD4, the custom map, shipment2, and OMG it makes COD4 maxed out look crap. no lies. this looks amazing!
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12. January 2009 @ 14:29 |
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Post screens plz :)
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12. January 2009 @ 14:30 |
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Oh agreed, but you won't see a benefit - that was my point. It's up to you really, if you can justify spending the money, go ahead.
Spam: Can you send me that map? I'm intrigued. I still need to install my IM clients on my SSD XP yet, so megaupload or email it :)
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12. January 2009 @ 14:39 |
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I think if Core i7 is really where you want to be, then get one. But for quite a bit less, I can make the switch to AMD and still keep a fairly fast Intel system.
Maybe I could retire the P35 and the E6750? That would be even better :) Then I could keep both quads :D
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13. January 2009 @ 15:41 |
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Very interesting, but for two GPUs at least, Crossfire has 100% scaling in a large number of titles. I'm not sure this will eliminate the title-specific ability of dual graphics, but who knows.
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13. January 2009 @ 15:54 |
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large number.....? define large
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13. January 2009 @ 15:56 |
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http://www.xfire.com/video/63b9d/
my video
i found a way of scroll shooting without scroll shooting ;)
basically i have always had my scroll up and down for weapon change, so i just hold the shoot button (left click) and scroll between weapons, and i dunno how, but it makes it scroll shoot! also pressing my scroll button gives me knife, so whats why i accidently knife sometimes lol.
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