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How I fix RRoD 360s (video)
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17. February 2010 @ 08:52 |
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Originally posted by Falcon_uk:
hi wooly, a quick question , would if be beneficial fitting two nylon washers , One each side of the board then a metal washer on top of the nylon under the heat sink or is there a reason why not to do it , Many Thanks
This is what I do to make sure the metal doesn't scrape the board when im screwing my heatsinks on. I havnt seen any issues with this.
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Falcon_uk
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17. February 2010 @ 11:21 |
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Thanks miketrev i,ll give it ago tonight on the one i,m doing , I hold no hope for this one as the guy has allready tried it with spring washers and badly scored the board but i will try anyway
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17. February 2010 @ 11:35 |
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Originally posted by Falcon_uk:
Thanks miketrev i,ll give it ago tonight on the one i,m doing , I hold no hope for this one as the guy has allready tried it with spring washers and badly scored the board but i will try anyway
Cheers
No worries. I hate it when peeps use them dumbass spring washer, they wreck the xbox :( I have had a few come my way and rarely able to fix them :(
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Falcon_uk
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17. February 2010 @ 12:25 |
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Same here , The machine lights up but no fan running or drive so i presume its shot
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gcooldude
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17. February 2010 @ 12:41 |
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I dont know if its just me but it feels like my console runs cooler after doing that, not so much heat on the bottom and rear of the case. Still has some heat but not near as much.
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17. February 2010 @ 13:10 |
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Hmm so you guys are saying 3 washers on the top side? 2 nylon and 1 metal? It seems like it provides good support and you could torque the screw down as hard as you'd like but it doesnt look like it's just barely touching the gpu and not touching the little edram die on the gpu chip at all. But then again as long as the system doesnt overheat when you turn it on i guess it'd be fine...I'm sticking to the 2 washer way personally. It definitely seems to run cooler as gcooldude mentioned as compared to stock
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Falcon_uk
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17. February 2010 @ 13:15 |
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I Meant one nylon washer and one steel one , Instead of two metal
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17. February 2010 @ 13:39 |
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My mistake, I misread your post. Personally I dont mess with the metal washers just because I like thick ones I use on top but I dont see how it could hurt, the spacing is going to be the same.
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Falcon_uk
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17. February 2010 @ 15:39 |
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No probs mate , How tight do you tighten the screws back up as i have noticed that the metal clips on the heatsink do slightly bend, On the one heatsink as the other just screw in to the main unit anyway.. Can you over tighten these at all causing any bends
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17. February 2010 @ 16:31 |
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actually I noticed that too which was why I mentioned earlier that you shouldn't torque them down real hard. I also noticed the motherboard will flex if you tighten them down too much. So basically I just tighten it up as tight as I can with my fingers then give it another quarter turn or so with the screwdriver it should be good. Really you just need it to make good contact and it doesnt take a lot of pressure to do that
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17. February 2010 @ 17:30 |
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Yeah with every 360 i reflow i replace the xclamps with lammas xclamp replacement and only tighten them finger tight.
Wooly i want you to know i've been directing people to your video on youtube from yahoo answers. I haven't really been around on AD much but i've been helping people on YA.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...06124532AAC8W0C
Anyway i don't really see what gameover is talking about. I own a reflow machine with a preheater and the actual working platform and i don't see how it it's not a reflow without a xray. I realize you can't really tell if you fixed the continuity issues between the chip and the board but if you have certain heat profiles there's no way the solder won't melt especially if you use flux.
Anyway keep up the good work, we have to keep people from doing hackjob fixes on their xbox.
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dalecore
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17. February 2010 @ 19:01 |
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I tried the heat gun but I wasn't successful same problem 2 red lights the fan kicked up as soon as I turned it on. should I do the heat gun again? I haven't put the screws through the chassis I at least wanted to see if the heat gun would worked. Any suggestions.
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ddp
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17. February 2010 @ 19:24 |
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to everybody, use at least a nylon washer on both sides of board if they are on the actual circuit board to prevent shorts between any componets & preventing any cut traces from sharp edges of metal washers.
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Falcon_uk
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17. February 2010 @ 23:16 |
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Hi C4RN1 do you suggest flux before heat gun if so where would you flux, Obviously i would flux after warming up the board before the direct reflow, Many Thanks
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Falcon_uk
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17. February 2010 @ 23:24 |
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Originally posted by ddp:
to everybody, use at least a nylon washer on both sides of board if they are on the actual circuit board to prevent shorts between any componets & preventing any cut traces from sharp edges of metal washers.
Thanks ddp, also guys what heatsink paste are you using , I find artic silver the best but also the most exspensive, Has anyone used any other paste ??
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18. February 2010 @ 00:27 |
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You can get the 12g tube of as5 for cheap at coolerguys.
http://www.coolerguys.com/840556003076.html
You can do about 50 xbox's with one big tube. Figure the other size is the 3.5g tube and can do maybe 15 xbox's or so.
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Falcon_uk
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18. February 2010 @ 09:40 |
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Thats o.k for you guys in the states but postage would throw it up for the uk , I,m off to maplins to see what they have this afterfnoon , I Presume P-C Paste is just as good as it keeps these running fine
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18. February 2010 @ 10:37 |
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Originally posted by Falcon_uk:
Thats o.k for you guys in the states but postage would throw it up for the uk , I,m off to maplins to see what they have this afterfnoon , I Presume P-C Paste is just as good as it keeps these running fine
Cheers
Nope, its no where near as good as AS5 for conducting the heat. Avoid Maplins if you don't want to get ripped off, I only ever use them on Sundays (where everywhere is close).
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dalecore
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18. February 2010 @ 11:53 |
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Can you guys tell me if I'm applying enough paste to my board this is after I applied it and turned it back on.
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Falcon_uk
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18. February 2010 @ 13:40 |
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What do you mean turned it back on , did you Put the heat sinks back on and if so how much paste is on the heat sinks
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Falcon_uk
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18. February 2010 @ 13:45 |
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Has anyone ever used the Arctic Silver Alumina Thermal Paste , If so whats that like , I have just purchased some Antec Formula 5 from maplins as i need to get two done tonight and yes totally ripped off with price but i need it.. I have noticed that the Arctic Silver Alumina Thermal Paste is slightly cheaper as well but if its no good i will not bother , Cheers
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18. February 2010 @ 14:23 |
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Here's my opinion based on "fixing" these consoles for around 2 years- there is no absolute permanent fix.
Well not economically possible unless you purchase expensive rework machinery and reball the GPU's BGA chip then check your work via xraying the board which would make repair cost ridiculously high.
So consumers would just buy a new console now more than ever since the prices have dropped for all 3.
In all cases heatgunning, xclamp fixing,and even "reflowing" are only temporarily patching the problem for a couple of months to a year at best if done correctly, but this depends on how reworked/used the system is already, & microsoft recommends only reworking the board up to 3 times. And in many cases microsoft refurbished consoles only last a couple of months then die again too which is in comparison to the results most people repairing these xboxes are getting, so once the 3RROD problem or any other error begins its a downward spiral from there. You may be able to "bring her back to life" once twice or maybe 3 times with these methods but
It may be more reliable to just replace the hardware than to repair it in the end.
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dalecore
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18. February 2010 @ 15:41 |
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Originally posted by Falcon_uk:
What do you mean turned it back on , did you Put the heat sinks back on and if so how much paste is on the heat sinks
Yes that is what I meant here are the heat sinks didn't know if you needed to see that.
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ddp
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18. February 2010 @ 16:13 |
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more paste needed by about double what you have showing.
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Falcon_uk
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18. February 2010 @ 17:10 |
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With the greatest respect to SHADOWZ9, I agree but if your console has been apart for one reason or another, the warranty has ended, so if we can get extra life out of our machines at a minimal cost why not , I have got a couple back up and running thanks to wooly and my friends love me , Even though it may be short lived , Hopefully Not. Keep up all the good work guys it is appreciated .
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