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How I fix RRoD 360s (video)
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24. March 2010 @ 16:41 |
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I've been doing the 12v fan mod more and more lately, it definitely gives a nice reduction in heat (havent measured the actual temp drop yet though). Xenon's are cool even after hours of CoD :) http://www.360-hq.com/xbox-tutorials-71.html is the one I used.
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SHADOWZ9
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24. March 2010 @ 21:47 |
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Really can't believe this thread is still up.....
I said it once before and i don't mean to bash on people or any disrespect but all these reflows heatgun ect. ect all the attempts at fixing these machines are futile why? Because these faulty machines are already damaged the internal hardware has failed before so burning flux under their chips and/or heating it up putting Q-tips in its fans ect. will just damage it worse in the end, but people's hope is still alive once they see the Xbox logo rise up and the machine boots but IT WILL DIE AGAIN 100% GUARANTEED, if i can save people or at least one person hours of frustration and headaches and wasted time on these machines with these "methods" it would be worth it writting this.If you want a working xbox 360 the solution is simple scrap your broken console (you'll get around 30 on ebay) and buy a new one with WARRANTY and even extended at that i would stay away from used ones 2009 and earlier and of course "refurb" consoles who knows whats been done to them. Buy a new one with warranty really its the best way to go less hassles.
And those selling or thinking about selling these "fixes/repairs" or actual consoles with these things done to them think twice because people you sell this to probably won't be too happy even if it lasts a couple of weeks or worse arrives dead to them in the mail so unless you like problems, headaches and refunds dont do it these fixes are not reliable in the least and don't buy a reflow machine its $200 or so down the drain since the fixes are not reliable and breathing in burning rosin flux is not good for your health.
But of course there will be people who will still be at it, good luck finding and replacing the blown Mosfets and capacitators (0001,0002,0003) and inhaling all the flux vapors, its not worth the time really.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 24. March 2010 @ 22:00
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24. March 2010 @ 22:14 |
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Originally posted by SHADOWZ9:
Really can't believe this thread is still up.....
I said it once before and i don't mean to bash on people or any disrespect but all these reflows heatgun ect. ect all the attempts at fixing these machines are futile why? Because these faulty machines are already damaged the internal hardware has failed before so burning flux under their chips and/or heating it up putting Q-tips in its fans ect. will just damage it worse in the end, but people's hope is still alive once they see the Xbox logo rise up and the machine boots but IT WILL DIE AGAIN 100% GUARANTEED, if i can save people or at least one person hours of frustration and headaches and wasted time on these machines with these "methods" it would be worth it writting this.If you want a working xbox 360 the solution is simple scrap your broken console (you'll get around 30 on ebay) and buy a new one with WARRANTY and even extended at that i would stay away from used ones 2009 and earlier and of course "refurb" consoles who knows whats been done to them. Buy a new one with warranty really its the best way to go less hassles.
And those selling or thinking about selling these "fixes/repairs" or actual consoles with these things done to them think twice because people you sell this to probably won't be too happy even if it lasts a couple of weeks or worse arrives dead to them in the mail so unless you like problems, headaches and refunds dont do it these fixes are not reliable in the least and don't buy a reflow machine its $200 or so down the drain since the fixes are not reliable and breathing in burning rosin flux is not good for your health.
But of course there will be people who will still be at it, good luck finding and replacing the blown Mosfets and capacitators (0001,0002,0003) and inhaling all the flux vapors, its not worth the time really.
I dont know why you "cant believe it's still up"? It's helped lots of people fix their system long term for cheap. But you've obviously not read the thread because I havent advocated using flux and I definitely didnt tell anyone to put q-tips in their fans (that was someone else in the other thread). I dont use flux personally but others have with good success and i dont see why not, it's meant to help the solder melt together.
I dont know how your solution is any better. "Give up and drop another $200 to get a new system that has the x-clamp on it, which you already know causes flexing and will likely also give you the red ring again". Wow, spending 10 times also a non-guaranteed solution. And what of the others that want to mod their system? Many of us here dont have warranties so MS wont even touch them (and they'll charge you $100+ for their reflow and to put the x-clamp back).
The point is people want to be able to fix their system for cheap and long term. This is it. And from what I've seen, with proper care (and perhaps additional cooling in some cases) this can be a permanent fix
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SHADOWZ9
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25. March 2010 @ 02:14 |
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Originally posted by w00ly:
Originally posted by SHADOWZ9:
Really can't believe this thread is still up.....
I said it once before and i don't mean to bash on people or any disrespect but all these reflows heatgun ect. ect all the attempts at fixing these machines are futile why? Because these faulty machines are already damaged the internal hardware has failed before so burning flux under their chips and/or heating it up putting Q-tips in its fans ect. will just damage it worse in the end, but people's hope is still alive once they see the Xbox logo rise up and the machine boots but IT WILL DIE AGAIN 100% GUARANTEED, if i can save people or at least one person hours of frustration and headaches and wasted time on these machines with these "methods" it would be worth it writting this.If you want a working xbox 360 the solution is simple scrap your broken console (you'll get around 30 on ebay) and buy a new one with WARRANTY and even extended at that i would stay away from used ones 2009 and earlier and of course "refurb" consoles who knows whats been done to them. Buy a new one with warranty really its the best way to go less hassles.
And those selling or thinking about selling these "fixes/repairs" or actual consoles with these things done to them think twice because people you sell this to probably won't be too happy even if it lasts a couple of weeks or worse arrives dead to them in the mail so unless you like problems, headaches and refunds dont do it these fixes are not reliable in the least and don't buy a reflow machine its $200 or so down the drain since the fixes are not reliable and breathing in burning rosin flux is not good for your health.
But of course there will be people who will still be at it, good luck finding and replacing the blown Mosfets and capacitators (0001,0002,0003) and inhaling all the flux vapors, its not worth the time really.
I dont know why you "cant believe it's still up"? It's helped lots of people fix their system long term for cheap. But you've obviously not read the thread because I havent advocated using flux and I definitely didnt tell anyone to put q-tips in their fans (that was someone else in the other thread). I dont use flux personally but others have with good success and i dont see why not, it's meant to help the solder melt together.
I dont know how your solution is any better. "Give up and drop another $200 to get a new system that has the x-clamp on it, which you already know causes flexing and will likely also give you the red ring again". Wow, spending 10 times also a non-guaranteed solution. And what of the others that want to mod their system? Many of us here dont have warranties so MS wont even touch them (and they'll charge you $100+ for their reflow and to put the x-clamp back).
The point is people want to be able to fix their system for cheap and long term. This is it. And from what I've seen, with proper care (and perhaps additional cooling in some cases) this can be a permanent fix
If these where proven methods and had high success rates of lasting even if 50% would last over a year i would agree with you and say go ahead and do it it will fix it for good and its worth the time to do it; but they don't; most machines are too damaged and/or used and even if they boot up they will fail again with normal use rather quickly. Ive read on other game console forums with hundreds of pages of people that have much much more experience with these cheap quick "fixes" and with reflowing
( reflowing is the correct procedure that is done by Microsoft for repairs) xbox 360 PS3 consoles than you or I and most that started threads like yours a year and a half or so ago who actually tried doing xbox 360 repairs for a living saw its a hopeless battle most machines are too damaged or used or not worth it and some (not all) of those people work at electronics repair shops have professional rework equipment ect. some electronics repair shops don't even accept these bacause their " a ticking time bomb" prone to fail even after repairs and they don't want to hassle with refunds, general concensus = reflowing or reballing a consumer electronic thats worth $100 used isn't worth the time trouble or money and the degree of technical difficulty and expense for specialized rework equipment is high so the repair cost to do it right would be to high for what these systems are worth now.
If you really want an xbox 360 and yours is broken I would ( i know youd say you wouldn't) just buy a new one latest model ( Microsoft has done revisions on newer models) its guaranteed to work if it doesnt you either return it to the store or the company. If it fails it gets replaced.Why should the consumer have to go in there and try to fix the manufactures flaws in the product. Microsoft accepted its mistake on the older ones and gave a 3 year extended warranty if the seal isn't broken, if you did mod your machine your probably banned from xbox live too so if you want to attempt fixing a banned machine its up to you, its your time.
If you enjoy opening up broken electronics as a hobby and trying to make them work then by all means go ahead and do that with your time but most people just want to play their xboxes without having to worry about it dying and the hassle of trying to see if they can fix it and for how long. If you choose to do this then good luck.
I don't like this back and forth type of thing thats all i will say about this,so continue discussing this with the other people and you can see what results you get and judge for yourself.
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25. March 2010 @ 11:51 |
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Again you've completely missed the point. I'm not advocating people take a heatgun and open a repair shop. I'm simply telling them the most cost effective way to get more life out of their system (and in most cases permanently). I've seen plenty of refurb machines and the one common thread is they all have the x-clamps on them and we all know what kind of forces those exert on the motherboard. All the reballing in the world isn't going to do you any good with the x-clamps on.
Honestly though, all you're doing is trolling. If people wanted to buy a new system, they would buy one! They dont need you to tell them how to spend their money and time. If they're in this thread considering my fix then they likely do not have any warranty, whether it be from modding, opening the case for whatever reason, time, etc etc.
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25. March 2010 @ 21:00 |
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Shadowz obviously there are some limitations on what a reflow can and can not fix. If you have any blown components you can't just magically make them work. It's obvious so you don't even need to point that out. Though with a reflow machine you can fix almost any rrod error that is cpu, gpu, ram, southbridge, hana/ana, ethernet related. The gpu shorting problem like 0022 doesn't seem to be fixable with a reflow machine. I would suspect that you need to actually remove the gpu and reball it in order to fix that deadly error.
You have to pick and choose which ones you can repair and which ones you can't, it's not rocket science it's common sense.
As for people repairing xbox's professionally I don't see a problem with it. The only problem I've ran into is when people take apart the xbox when it's working and put the xclamp replacement back together wrong. Like i said in my previous post I fixed this annoying issue by buying a security sticker that you can't heat up and remove.
The other annoying issue with it is that you'll find xbox's that kids have messed with. At least 8/10 xbox's I've repaired have been opened by people and are using different sized washers or way too much thermal paste.
Here's the latest one that i found, AS5 and all.
Still these xbox's get reflowed with flux either cpu/gpu or both and are back up and running after the first repair attempt. As for keeping the consoles cool i always measure the temps of the heatsinks with my infrared thermogun and never see more than 120F or so at idle. Under load the gpu can get up to 140F and then it's time to add some extra cooling.
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arniearn
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5. April 2010 @ 05:15 |
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hi,gonna have a go at this ,before i start could someone confirm this will fix a E73 error,thanks
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mrjpark
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3. June 2010 @ 16:37 |
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I actually used this method to fix my 360 with the E74 and it worked great, but only for about 2 months. Just got it again and am considering whether or not it's worth my time to open it up again. I highly doubt reheating the mobo and reapplying thermal paste is really going to fix it longterm at this point; it'll most likely just have a shorter lifespan each time i do it.
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