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What speed for Memorex?
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VITAL715
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28. July 2011 @ 19:50 |
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Trying to research, but keep getting different opinions from people. Some say 2.4x other say 4x and some 8x...if anyone out there gets good results please let me know your speed.
Been using verb and had success at 2.4x, but can't afford them anymore.
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28. July 2011 @ 20:12 |
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Memorex are not good for Xbox360 games. They work, but they are not good. With that said, just get the 8X and burn at whatever speed you want.
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360lifer
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28. July 2011 @ 20:14 |
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I always set the speed to 2.4x no matter what brand I use and then imgburn will burn it the slowest it can. Usually its 4x these days.
And yes, memorex isn't the greatest but these days with the install feature, it only has to work good enough to install the game.
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Thosmos
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28. July 2011 @ 23:38 |
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Same here -- 2.4 with imgburn -- and I've only used Memorex. 2 coasters out of about 100 or more.
But results vary depending on the burner.
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28. July 2011 @ 23:47 |
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The only way to tell which is the best speed is to do some test burns. You can get a free trial of Opti Drive Control that gives you 30 days of usage for free, then you can scan your burns with it: -
http://www.cdspeed2000.com/download.html
By assuming that slowest = best, you may well be both wasting your time and ending up with lower quality burns than you could be getting by using a faster speed, but the only way to know is to do some tests because there's a lot of variation out there when it comes to discs and the dye they use, burners, burner firmware, and system setup in general.
With my old Optiarc drive, burning at 8X gave me the best quality burns, but with my new Pioneer drive (the Optiarc finally died), 4X gives me the best quality burns so I use that, although I always use Verbatim discs and not Memorex, but the theory is the same. In both cases, had I just assumed that 2.4X was best, I'd have been waiting longer for discs to burn for no good reason. I would guess that most people use 2.4X because they've read it in a guide, not because they've ever done any actual tests of their own.
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VITAL715
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29. July 2011 @ 10:40 |
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Thanks for the info. Trust me I know verbatim is best, used tons.
From what I read, people are saying memorex dvds stop working after a while.. I just play offline and install all games to HD... considering most games these days are less than 20 hours of gameplay I should be ok. i hope
Thx again for help
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360lifer
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29. July 2011 @ 20:07 |
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I've have memorex dual layers that are three years old and work just fine. How old are people wanting to them to work, 20+ years?
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29. July 2011 @ 22:28 |
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I burn them at the rated speed on my Sony Optiarc and have never had a problem. Burning depends on the system and most systems these days are more than adequate to handle dvd burning tasks.
"All drives should be updated to Lite Touch + (LT+) firmware if playing on XBOX live. Samsung drives and pre-78/79 Hitachi drives do not utilize AP 2.5. All other drives are considered to be detectable by Microsoft (YMMV). Make sure all rips are ABGX verified, contain SSv2, and patched AP2.5 (where needed). XGD3 must currently be burned on new drive with PC Burner Max firmware for 100% rip. All modded consoles can be potentially unsafe for use on XBOX live."
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VITAL715
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29. July 2011 @ 23:39 |
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I also have a optiarc, what speed are you using MrGreaser?
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marcusj0015
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30. July 2011 @ 10:48 |
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i have Memorex DVD+R DLs and i burned my games at 4x.
then i accidently started burning Red Dead Redemption at 8x, and suprisingly, it loads FASTER.
so all of my games burn at 8x now.
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jokickarz
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30. July 2011 @ 12:50 |
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Verbatim says to burn discs at max possible speed. Email and ask them.
Just like PS2 days when everyone was burning at 1x, then it was found out faster is better.
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Thosmos
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30. July 2011 @ 13:07 |
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That's kinda like assuming, that burning a CD at max speed, will make the music play at a faster tempo.
It's just data. Burn speed fast or slow, is just how fast you are writing the data to the disk, and trying not to get errors.
In the end, burning at 2.4, 8, 16 is all played back/accessed the same.
The only difference is how long you have to wait before the disk is done burning.
Though if this load time speed change were true, I could make a mint, buring copies of Win 7 @ 50x speed, and selling it to Microsoft as the new Win 7.5.
"Loads in half the time"!
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30. July 2011 @ 14:07 |
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Originally posted by jokickarz:
Verbatim says to burn discs at max possible speed. Email and ask them.
Just like PS2 days when everyone was burning at 1x, then it was found out faster is better.
I wrote the exact same thing about two years ago, nobody cared. You actually get less errors when burning faster.
About the memorex question: At what speed can you still hit the recycling bin when you throw them?
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marcusj0015
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30. July 2011 @ 16:45 |
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Thosmos, it's nothing like your example. if a disc is burnt at 8x it HAS to be read at least at 8x. therefore it spins faster, allowing higher data reads. AKA loads faster. lmao
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JKetias
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30. July 2011 @ 16:53 |
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I burned it at 2.4, and imgburn automatically switched to 4x.
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30. July 2011 @ 16:53 |
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Originally posted by marcusj0015:
Thosmos, it's nothing like your example. if a disc is burnt at 8x it HAS to be read at least at 8x. therefore it spins faster, allowing higher data reads. AKA loads faster. lmao
That's BS. Write speed and read speed have nothing to do with each others.
Xbox 360: Slim untouched with a faked 320 GB harddrive for XBL, phat with LT 3.0, played Halo early, so going on live would be an instand ban, also with a faked 320 GB harddrive
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PSVita: hardly ever play it
GameCube: Black with a Viper chip installed. With gameboy player. Trying to get a Wavebird controller.
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30. July 2011 @ 18:31 |
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Eisherz is right. The burn speed and read speed are not at all related in the way that marcusj0015 claimed.
Store bought CDs and DVDs are stamped, but when you burn a disc at home, the laser in the drive is basically burning dots into a layer of dye on the disc. Whether you write the disc at 8X or 1X, what you end up with is a disc that has dots burned into a dye layer, so assuming the burn is good in both cases they are essentially identical and therefore it's not true to say "a disc burned at 8X is read at 8X".
If a burned 360 game disc has some errors on it that affect the ability of the 360's disc drive to read the disc, but not enough to throw up a "dirty disc" error, the game can load slower. It's a bit like if you have a badly scratched DVD full of files and you try to copy those files to your PC's hard drive. The DVD drive can struggle to read it and it makes copying the data very slow. That explains why you might find burning at a different speed makes your games load faster or slower - it's because you're getting better quality burns at a certain speed.
As for ImgBurn selecting 4X when you select 2.4X, it's because each type of disc has a Media ID and the firmware of your burner recognises that ID and says "OK, we can burn this particular type of disc at 4X, 6X and 8X" or whatever and it'll only offer you those speeds. If you select a speed that's not supported, ImgBurn will just select the closest supported speed, so 2.4X becomes 4X in that case.
That's also why it's important to keep you burner's firmware up to date, because the manufacturer can improve the write strategy for certain types of discs and/or add support for new Media IDs.
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marcusj0015
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31. July 2011 @ 03:29 |
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if that's not true then why did some CDs burnt at too high a speed not read right?
if i burnt a CD at 12x and my drive only could go to 8x why did it not work?
like i burnt it at 12x on one comp, and read it on my comp that could only go 8x
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31. July 2011 @ 04:56 |
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Originally posted by marcusj0015:
if that's not true then why did some CDs burnt at too high a speed not read right?
if i burnt a CD at 12x and my drive only could go to 8x why did it not work?
like i burnt it at 12x on one comp, and read it on my comp that could only go 8x
idgi
Because the disk is f***ed up and on one computer the drive is less picky. I have two drives, one external and one built into my PC. Some disks only work on the external drive because my built in drive is more picky about disk qualities.
Xbox 360: Slim untouched with a faked 320 GB harddrive for XBL, phat with LT 3.0, played Halo early, so going on live would be an instand ban, also with a faked 320 GB harddrive
PS3: Untouched 160 GB Slim, 60 GB Fat with latest Rogero and 160 GB internal harddrive.
PSVita: hardly ever play it
GameCube: Black with a Viper chip installed. With gameboy player. Trying to get a Wavebird controller.
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31. July 2011 @ 08:28 |
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Originally posted by marcusj0015:
if that's not true then why did some CDs burnt at too high a speed not read right?
if i burnt a CD at 12x and my drive only could go to 8x why did it not work?
like i burnt it at 12x on one comp, and read it on my comp that could only go 8x
idgi
That's just because the particular burn speed you used (the higher speed burns) introduced errors on the disc that made it hard for your drive to read.
Think about it, the Xbox 360 has a 12X drive in it. When you play or install a game, the drive will spin at up to 12X. If your theory was correct, you would need to burn all games at 12X or the 360's drive wouldn't be able to spin at 12X either, and if you burned a game at 1X, the 360 would only spin that disc at 1X and you would be waiting about 5 minutes for a game to load, lol. It really doesn't work like that.
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31. July 2011 @ 18:34 |
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marcusj0015, just for zhits-n-giggles, where did you hear that disc burn speed theory, because it cracked me the hell up.
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Thosmos
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31. July 2011 @ 22:17 |
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Originally posted by marcusj0015:
Thosmos, it's nothing like your example. if a disc is burnt at 8x it HAS to be read at least at 8x. therefore it spins faster, allowing higher data reads. AKA loads faster. lmao
marcusj0015,
I think your LMAO will soon turn to tears...
Write speed has nothing to do with read spead. And like others said -- errors will cause the reader to pass several times to retrieve the data. A better reader will often have better results. But it's common knowledge that if you are worried about data read errors (and slow read times), always burn (write) at the slowest possible speed.
Kind of like writing a cursive writing letter to your grandma -- go slow, so that her old eyes can read it!
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31. July 2011 @ 22:38 |
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Originally posted by Thosmos:
But it's common knowledge that if you are worried about data read errors (and slow read times), always burn (write) at the slowest possible speed.
That "knowledge" might be common, but it's not based on sound information.
Performing tests on your burned discs is the only real way to know for sure, but I once had an argument on here with a guy (who later got banned) about burn speeds, and I contacted Verbatim about it and this is a section of the reply I received from their quality manager, Ian Rainsford: -
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I personally record the discs I use at the highest possible speed of the media because I know that the discs have been designed for such speeds, I do realise that in the past there have been instances of some ?no-name? discs not really being capable of being written to at claimed speeds. Many other users have written that they prefer to write at slower speeds and they feel that this is prudent but in speaking to many of them I have discovered that often they do not update the firmware of their drives very often (if at all) and so they may not be realising the full potential of the disc and drive combination. If users are happy to burn at lower speeds I would certainly not discourage them but try to reassure them that the discs are designed for faster burning .
I can post the email in full if you like, but I know from simply doing proper tests on discs that the slowest possible speed can be the best speed to use, but it can also be, and often is, inferior to higher speeds depending on the drive/firmware/media used.
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Thosmos
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1. August 2011 @ 03:37 |
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Originally posted by funksoulb:
Originally posted by Thosmos:
But it's common knowledge that if you are worried about data read errors (and slow read times), always burn (write) at the slowest possible speed.
That "knowledge" might be common, but it's not based on sound information.
Performing tests on your burned discs is the only real way to know for sure, but I once had an argument on here with a guy (who later got banned) about burn speeds, and I contacted Verbatim about it and this is a section of the reply I received from their quality manager, Ian Rainsford: -
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I personally record the discs I use at the highest possible speed of the media because I know that the discs have been designed for such speeds, I do realise that in the past there have been instances of some ?no-name? discs not really being capable of being written to at claimed speeds. Many other users have written that they prefer to write at slower speeds and they feel that this is prudent but in speaking to many of them I have discovered that often they do not update the firmware of their drives very often (if at all) and so they may not be realising the full potential of the disc and drive combination. If users are happy to burn at lower speeds I would certainly not discourage them but try to reassure them that the discs are designed for faster burning .
I can post the email in full if you like, but I know from simply doing proper tests on discs that the slowest possible speed can be the best speed to use, but it can also be, and often is, inferior to higher speeds depending on the drive/firmware/media used.
I think your answer has been given. But if you still believe that buring at higher speeds yealds greater and faster access to the data that has been written...
Do you know what firmware is on a DVD drive? They are refering to having the most up to date instruction for the drive operation. Meaning that you will get the best out of your device if you have the most up to date firmware. (fastest read times/ write times, with greatest compatibility.)
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Modking30
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1. August 2011 @ 10:08 |
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Memorex are the best! So much better than those cheap verbatims.
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