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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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10. November 2010 @ 21:06 |
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@omegaman7,
Yup! That's over 120F, and pretty warm.
@sammorris,
Time will tell. Personally I have only seen one nVidia GPU fail, and that was a long time ago with an EVGA 9500GT in a poorly ventilated case.
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10. November 2010 @ 21:12 |
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Ventilation is nowt to do with it really, the hotter they are, the shorter their lifespan, which is not something that affects Radeons, which is a plus point for starters.
The older and simpler geforces aren't so bad, but the G80/G92 were particularly bad for failing, there's precious few of either left now, as most of them have all bit the dust, meanwhile the old X-series Radeons are all still operational, despite being 1-2 years older. The GTX400/500 series will be problematic too as they run very hot (though the 580 admittedly less so than the 480). The GTX470/480 run at 95ºC under load at max fan speed, so there is no room for error. Conasidering 75ºC used to be the failure point for the old geforces, you can see my concerns.
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10. November 2010 @ 21:28 |
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I don't like seeing any component exceeding 70C. I've seen my GTX 260 breach it once. I believe the Geforce 210 also floated around 70C. Though that's a very cramped case, and a joke of a fan LOL! The 210 should be very happy in it's new well ventilated home :p Until the day when it inevitably dies.
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11. November 2010 @ 01:02 |
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Is true. GeForce cards are prone to early deaths far more than Ati.
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11. November 2010 @ 01:18 |
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Well...the chipsets certainly are :(
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11. November 2010 @ 12:26 |
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For much the same reason I believe, i.e. they overheat. They put out so much heat that they calibrate the sensors to read wrong so you don't realise just how hot they run. All well and good until you realise that nvidia's stand of manufacture can't withstand temperatures that high.
I still remember how proud I was of my PC when I was running it unknowingly with a dustbunny in one of the cards, it started lagging in Defense Grid, and I discovered that GPU1 was running at 109ºC. More than two years old and well over the boiling point of water (and bear in mind I only noticed this due to it starting to throttle back, so it had been running over normal levels for ages). The fan speed had been far higher in games for the last 3-4 months. That level of heat, for that long, at that age. Still plays games daily, no ill effects to report :D
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11. November 2010 @ 12:49 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
For much the same reason I believe, i.e. they overheat. They put out so much heat that they calibrate the sensors to read wrong so you don't realise just how hot they run. All well and good until you realise that nvidia's stand of manufacture can't withstand temperatures that high.
I still remember how proud I was of my PC when I was running it unknowingly with a dustbunny in one of the cards, it started lagging in Defense Grid, and I discovered that GPU1 was running at 109ºC. More than two years old and well over the boiling point of water (and bear in mind I only noticed this due to it starting to throttle back, so it had been running over normal levels for ages). The fan speed had been far higher in games for the last 3-4 months. That level of heat, for that long, at that age. Still plays games daily, no ill effects to report :D
Poor card. That's like the blazes of hell LOL! I'd probably water cool that beast ;)
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11. November 2010 @ 12:53 |
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Yeah Nvidia GPUs usually start artifacting if and when they start overheating. At which point the card is destroyed. Not seen an Nvidia card throttle for heat before, but my X850XT has on more than one occasion. But yeah that card has a mediocre cooler and runs hotter than my 5850s and it's what, 3 1/2 years old now? And it still runs perfectly. Currently sitting in my friend's dad's PC for L4D and doing quite adequately. Just re-TIM'd with Ceramique like 6 months ago. I swear that thing is a tank.
Also lol I love dual GPU. BC2 is so pretty with AA.
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11. November 2010 @ 15:18 |
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my brothers 9800GT (rebaged 8800GT) is still running perfectly fine. OCed and all.
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11. November 2010 @ 15:29 |
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I wonder if a lot of the failures are due to inadequate cooling. I blame myself for the premature demise of the MSI board I have in the HTPC. The case is very sharp, aesthetically speaking. But the airflow is a joke. Leaves much to be desired. But, the board is being replaced today :D Not sure what to do with the airflow just yet. I think it'll be fine through the winter, then I can combat it. Since the new board has no need for an add on graphics card, it should run substantially cooler ;)
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11. November 2010 @ 15:48 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Poor card. That's like the blazes of hell LOL! I'd probably water cool that beast ;)
Personally the only reasons I'd ever WC a gpu would be for looks, noise and if I ever decided to run it at full load 24/7.
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11. November 2010 @ 16:03 |
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NotOriginally posted by Red_Maw:
Originally posted by omegaman7:
Poor card. That's like the blazes of hell LOL! I'd probably water cool that beast ;)
Personally the only reasons I'd ever WC a gpu would be for looks, noise and if I ever decided to run it at full load 24/7.
Not for longevity eh? I would :p
With blazing temps like that, its almost necessary...
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11. November 2010 @ 16:17 |
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The 9800GT isn't that old really, it only came out the same month the 4870 did.
I don't really consider watercooling for longevity, as there are inherent risks in fitting aftermarket coolers to things, and obviously all the risks with watercooling also apply.
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11. November 2010 @ 16:19 |
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its a rebadged 8800GT, its yonks old, 3870old haha. All they did was add a new bios.
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11. November 2010 @ 16:23 |
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Water, air. Simply cooling a component to an agreeable temperature should logically increase its lifespan. When a car overheats, it takes life out of the engine ;)
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11. November 2010 @ 16:32 |
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There are so many parallels between cars and computers I could probably spend 5 days typing all of them.
And yeah the 9800GT is old. It's literally an 8800GT. Not a single difference AFAIK.
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11. November 2010 @ 16:39 |
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Heat = degradation 
Unless of course you're talking Adamantium ;)
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11. November 2010 @ 16:45 |
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Shaff: I'm well aware it's old tech, but not necessarily an old card because 9800GTs were sold up until quite recently.
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11. November 2010 @ 19:12 |
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Got her all ready. I must say I'm rather unimpressed though with the onboard 4200. Looks like Arcsoft Totalmedia Theatre 3 may be Nvidia biased. Video quality just got very bad with that player with hardware acceleration. Disabling it helps a lot, but there is still slight artifacting. Thankfully MPCHC works the way it should ;) I plan to do more testing when its actually hooked up to HDMI and his HDTV.
But even the desktop looks fussier via VGA then it used to. I know this comes across like i'm an Nvidia fanboy, but TOTALLY not LOL!
Doesn't get much more cramped then this! Though It can. An optical drive would be interesting. And one day, it may have a bluray drive. I didn't realize what a prick hooking the F_panel up would be. It resides under the Hard drive cage. I did it after slipping the board in LOL! That was challenging. But I was determined. Looks like gigabyte is shipping blue Sata cables now eh? The ones that came with are similar to the board color. Fitting I suppose ;)
By the way, it's near silent. Even sam would like it ;)
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11. November 2010 @ 19:15 |
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Old IGP will be dedicated analogue video, rather than digital to analogue conversion, which often results in artifacts. You shouldn't still be using VGA, it's a major quality loss.
Blue S-ATA cables is news to me, they were yellow with my P55A-UD4.
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11. November 2010 @ 19:18 |
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HDMI is impossible with my current hardwares. My monitor only supports DVI and VGA. My 8600GT doesn't cause artifacting like that via VGA. Not sure why that is yet. I plan on running over to his house momentarily, and getting to the bottom of this.
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11. November 2010 @ 19:21 |
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Use DVI, it's actually marginally better than HDMI.
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11. November 2010 @ 19:22 |
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To have used DVI, I would have had to disconnect my primary. I'm lazy see...
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11. November 2010 @ 19:25 |
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Oh I see, I tend to assume two PCs = two monitors :P
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11. November 2010 @ 19:34 |
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Soon enough. Soon, and I'll have that 24" dell we've talked about. Though I don't think that has HDMI either... Dvi will suffice though ;)
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