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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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29. November 2010 @ 17:52 |
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Tried a different program? A program that doesn't fail on resume. Because no hard drive can do that unless the data has actually become corrupt.
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29. November 2010 @ 17:55 |
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I only use imgburn. If you do any burning at all, you know that imgburn is revered as THE best burning program there is :p
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29. November 2010 @ 18:40 |
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I use ImgBurn all the time, and stream off WD Green drives all the time as well, and have never had any issues. However I have never tried burning a bluray with it.
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29. November 2010 @ 19:34 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Perhaps with the design they've explained, they can get away with stating that ;)
"Preemptive Wear Leveling (PWL) - The drive arm frequently sweeps across the disk to reduce uneven wear on the drive surface common to audio video streaming applications."
Oman7,
I don't understand their explanation of PWL. There is no wear on any drive surface of any mechanical hard drive, as there is no physical contact between the heads and the disk itself. All mechanical drives work this way, with the heads floating on a cushion of air very close to the surface of the disk(s) A single particle of Cigarette Smoke is large enough to physically destroy any hard drive! The explanation for PWL is just plain BS!
Russ
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29. November 2010 @ 19:47 |
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You're right, I can only assume it refers to some sort of wearing on the disk from being read so many times, but I can't fathom how that works.
WD do produce a lot of BS in their specifications, this is presumably another example.
To be brutally honest, the AV series drives are starting to sound identical to the other WD Green drives with a different sticker.
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30. November 2010 @ 01:36 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
To be brutally honest, the AV series drives are starting to sound identical to the other WD Green drives with a different sticker.
Originally posted by Theonejrs:
The explanation for PWL is just plain BS!
You guys just crushed my dreams :( LOL! So you think they're just making the drive look better to the big spender then. They boast longevity, and yet the 3 yr warranty remains. I guess I'll wait and see what upcoming reviews say ;)
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30. November 2010 @ 07:51 |
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Well I mean, they seemed like a good idea at first, but Russ is right, the argument about PWL does ring the BS alarm bells.
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30. November 2010 @ 14:01 |
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Oman7,
"Preemptive Wear Leveling (PWL) - The drive arm frequently sweeps across the disk to reduce uneven wear on the drive surface common to audio video streaming applications."
This is simply a common sense issue. How can you have uneven wear on the drive surface, when there's no contact made to the drive surface by the heads or anything else, to cause uneven wear? The drive won't even unpark the heads until the drive is spinning at the proper rpm to create the cushion of air, needed to support the heads in the first place. Pull the plug while the computer is running and the heads park immediately, before the drive has a chance to spin down! The whole explanation for PWL, is totally bogus!
Russ
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30. November 2010 @ 14:19 |
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I'll have to take your word on that :S
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30. November 2010 @ 14:44 |
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Reading up on it further, i'm hearing things like microscopic particles getting through the filters and causing a delay in the generation of the air cushion, causing drive wear from the heads. Sounds to me more like a case of dead/alive than general wear, but I'm not sure, there's quite a lot to the process.
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30. November 2010 @ 14:47 |
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So their price may be justified? Meh, I'm probably just gonna steer clear of it. If I spend more on a drive, I'd rather just buy a black drive, and have the warranty ;)
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30. November 2010 @ 15:08 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
So their price may be justified? Meh, I'm probably just gonna steer clear of it. If I spend more on a drive, I'd rather just buy a black drive, and have the warranty ;)
Here's a little reading for you on the subject!
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/op/heads/op_Height.htm
Russ
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30. November 2010 @ 15:28 |
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That's a very interesting read Russ! I'll never look at a hard drive the same way. Millionths of an inch. That simply boggles my mind LOL! Solid state drives should be our salvation. For we are no doubt reaching the limit of typical Mechanical drives. It now makes me nervous buying super large mechanical drives. Mankind is impressive, but I just don't see mechanical drives holding out too much longer ;)
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1. December 2010 @ 03:58 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
That's a very interesting read Russ! I'll never look at a hard drive the same way. Millionths of an inch. That simply boggles my mind LOL! Solid state drives should be our salvation. For we are no doubt reaching the limit of typical Mechanical drives. It now makes me nervous buying super large mechanical drives. Mankind is impressive, but I just don't see mechanical drives holding out too much longer ;)
Oman7,
Speed won't be enough though! The price will have to be competitive too, especially when you consider most of the speed of the SDD will never be noticed by the average computer user! A wide variety of mechanical HDDs will still be with us for at least 5 more years yet, and large mechanical storage drives should last at least another 5 years. Picture the cost of a 2TB SSD, even with a slow, cheap SSD. It's going to take some serious break-troughs and time to get the price low enough for something like that! Until then, the large mechanical HDDs will continue to rule storage!
Best Regards,
Russ
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1. December 2010 @ 04:06 |
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It doesn't take much to show people the difference between two pieces of technology. E.g. Standard definition and High definition video. Show a person how a computer runs with an SSD, and a typical mechanical drive, and the actions speak for themselves. Application load times, OS boot time, etc. If enough people buy the technology, it will drive the cost down. And they will look to producing the drives cheaper and quicker. ;)
Mechanical drives will of course be here a while longer. Heck, I still don't trust SSD LOL!
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1. December 2010 @ 15:44 |
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The whole concept really of mechanical components in computers given how advanced the rest of the technology is, is pretty laughable. I think there's been a bit of a business monopoly going on to keep mechanical storage as it is, as I'm pretty certain SSDs could be a lot better than they currently are. You notice how SSDs are a lot smaller than HDDs and use a lot less power. If they were the same 3.5" size and used the same amount of power, you can imagine how much bigger they would be, even on the same process they are now, they'd just be more expensive.
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1. December 2010 @ 20:42 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
The whole concept really of mechanical components in computers given how advanced the rest of the technology is, is pretty laughable. I think there's been a bit of a business monopoly going on to keep mechanical storage as it is, as I'm pretty certain SSDs could be a lot better than they currently are. You notice how SSDs are a lot smaller than HDDs and use a lot less power. If they were the same 3.5" size and used the same amount of power, you can imagine how much bigger they would be, even on the same process they are now, they'd just be more expensive.
Sam,
While this is all true, there is no SSD Counterpart to a 2TB HDD at the moment! And there won't be for a long time to come! Whether you could build a 2TB SSD to fit in the space of a 3.5" HDD with the current technology, might be a problem as well. I think the technology will have to improve greatly, before we see SSDs of that size cheap enough to afford, and with proven reliability, before the HDD finally get's replaced for storage by an SSD for good!
Russ
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1. December 2010 @ 20:50 |
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Not a 2TB, no, but 1TB SSDs do exist. The problem is, because the technology has been relatively hindered by the continual investment in mechanical drives, they're currently ludicrously expensive. Still, at £2100 for a 1TB, they have come down in price immensely. It wasn't that long ago a 180GB SSD cost almost that much.
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2. December 2010 @ 01:49 |
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One day there will be 2Tb+ SSD drives. Perhaps sooner then we think too. 64Gb SDXC cards are pretty impressive. It's only a matter of time. It's only the price that's difficult :p
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2. December 2010 @ 01:52 |
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Yeah well that's it, the technology does exist, it just isn't affordable yet.
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4. December 2010 @ 04:18 |
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And another Nvidia chipset bites the dust. It's an asus board too...Sure doesn't help their image. What's left of it LOL!
My buddy gave me a computer yesterday(HP pavilion a1748X), and said If I could fix it, I could have it. I told him sure! I opened up the computer and immediately noticed the cheap power supply(Bestec). I was really leaning that way too. But my buddy also said it would power up, but it would black/blue screen. I told him there's a number of reasons that can cause that. Well...Right upon entering windows, it froze. Just like my last MSI Nvidia mainboard. While powered up, I reached in and grabbed the northbridge Heatsink. Or what I believe to be the northbridge heatsink anyway. It was semi-cool. I then proceeded to the southern large chip with the nvidia logo on it. As indicated in the picture. It has to be pushing 70C or more. It nearly startled me the temperature is sooo hot! I guess I found the culprit. My guess is it's the onboard graphics chip. If that's the case, I have no idea where the southbridge is LOL! At least I got a few free components out of it :D An Athlon 3800(2.0Ghz), 1gb of DDR2 6400Ram, A decent looking case, Spare fans(always use those), and a card reader. Man I love being the go to guy :p Maybe even yet another optical drive. I currently have too many of those though. Heh heh.
Of course I won't even bother trying to cool the S-O-B. Already played that game ;)
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4. December 2010 @ 04:48 |
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That's the southbridge. The northbridge is under that miniscule heatsink in the middle.
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4. December 2010 @ 11:43 |
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Done out of Here!
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4. December 2010 @ 12:16 |
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Oh yeah I get a lot of the same. A friend and I have a large collection of Pentium 4s when pooled together. Just over 40 at last count. The machines are so common so they come in handy for beefing up friends' computers XD
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