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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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4. December 2010 @ 12:50 |
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As an update I am happy to say my hackintosh is running 95% OK. Sound card/midi controller has no official snow leopard support and i can't get the hacked driver working, possibly because the entire machine is a hack and the 2 are cancelling each other out LOL, I dont know. No PCI support on Intel based Macs/Snow Leopard, "old" technology crapple seemingly stripped it from the code...I have onboard sound, line-out to a stereo receiver but i wanted EVERYTHING to work for an all in one solution.
Running Snow Leopard 10.6.4 (on vertex 30GB SSD) dual with win7 64bit ultimate (on VErtex2 50GB)
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M-audio audiophile2496 works a treat on windows, no apple solution
Oh and if you ever try this at home, save yourself time and use USB mouse/keyboard from the start. Long story...
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6. December 2010 @ 17:54 |
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6. December 2010 @ 18:00 |
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Any Reason? That's a lot of money. Is it worth it to you? I prefer the 16:10 aspect ratio, but the sheer size of that bad boy nearly makes up for it. I think I'd prefer the 30" myself :p
Totally out of the question at the moment...
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6. December 2010 @ 18:03 |
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no real reason, just not upgraded my monitor in about 3 years, im not sure what i would do with my other 24", maybe sell them for the one 27", but not sure i can go back to using a single monitor.
spur of the moment. maybe i should save up for sandybridge instead? haha
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6. December 2010 @ 18:39 |
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That's cheap for a U2711, I paid basically that much for my 2407FPW when I bought it back in August 06.
Remember the 2711s have the S-IPS screen quality of the 3008/3011, but in a 16:9 aspect ratio, and a higher pixel density than almost any other desktop monitor. (2560x1440 at only 27" res)
The IQ they offer is absolutely stunning.
Saving up for sandy bridge is, as I said before, a waste of time. We already know it's only 10% faster per clock, and overclocking is disabled unless you buy the K series CPU. Personally, even now, the i5 760 on LGA1156 is a much better buy.
Intel are just fleecing the non-enthusiast market before AMD catch up in stock performance.
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6. December 2010 @ 19:07 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
That's cheap for a U2711, I paid basically that much for my 2407FPW when I bought it back in August 06.
Remember the 2711s have the S-IPS screen quality of the 3008/3011, but in a 16:9 aspect ratio, and a higher pixel density than almost any other desktop monitor. (2560x1440 at only 27" res)
The IQ they offer is absolutely stunning.
Saving up for sandy bridge is, as I said before, a waste of time. We already know it's only 10% faster per clock, and overclocking is disabled unless you buy the K series CPU. Personally, even now, the i5 760 on LGA1156 is a much better buy.
Intel are just fleecing the non-enthusiast market before AMD catch up in stock performance.
10% really? i didnt know benches were out.
according to quite a few trusted tables for $220 you can get the I5 2600K $20 more than the non k.
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6. December 2010 @ 19:21 |
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The 2600K is a 3.4Ghz i7 with HT, at $317/£240.
The i5 2500K is probably the CPU you're thinking of, a 3.3Ghz quad core [without HT, hence i5] at $216/£165.
Stock clocks that will be 30% faster than an i5 760, but I don't know how cheap P65 boards will be at release. Something tells me they won't be as cheap as P55 boards are now. When the i5s first came out, P55 boards were all pretty pricey.
Where people really stand to gain with Sandy Bridge is the full-fat i7s being chipset-less, featuring IGPs on-CPU, and all being 95W CPUs for the first time, effectively 'i5ing' the high-end range. It's also worth pointing out though that there are no immediate Sandy Bridge 6-core or 8-core CPUs lined up. The i7 970/980X will still be filling that niche for the time being.
I've no great reason to be doubtful, but I'd still like to see a few more post-release overclocks of the Sandy Bridge CPUs before I go recommending people to go with them. Right now to beat the i5 760 on almost any current board it's going to take all K-series sandy bridge CPUs to get to a good 3.9Ghz+ to beat them even by the tiniest of margins. I can't see them going substantially further than that. There doesn't seem much point in buying them from an enthusiast's point of view. What Intel are really doing here is upping the standard for stock users with higher base clocks.
The i5 2500 Quad at 3.3Ghz but with no overclocking looks like a solid buy for a fair few at $205/£155 which should be a good 10% faster than the i7 975 in games, or a substantial 50% faster than the X4 965, and effectively matching the X6 1090T at multithreading as well.
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10. December 2010 @ 18:23 |
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Guess what I get to do this weekend. Crawling around under the house. It's not as bad as it sounds. This house is only 10yrs old. I've been under it before. I believe the ground had some form of tarp or other material covering the ground. I could be mistaken. That could be wishful thinking :S
But the best part is, the living room will be able to connect to netflix when I'm done. And in the not too distant future, a possible basic HTPC. I'm trying to find the cheapest/best HP or Dell desktop slim case for my money. Open to suggestions. It has to look preferably sharp. Black is definitely preferred. I will not buy the HEC case again. I'm unimpressed with it's airflow...
I'm also open for suggestions about the tool(preferably local, E.g. home depot), that can make the indoor RJ-45 jack possible.
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10. December 2010 @ 18:44 |
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The tools are common and cheap.
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10. December 2010 @ 19:06 |
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Are you going to actually put an outlet in your wall or just drill a hole in the floor, run cable through and attach the connector?
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10. December 2010 @ 19:18 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Guess what I get to do this weekend. Crawling around under the house. It's not as bad as it sounds. This house is only 10yrs old. I've been under it before. I believe the ground had some form of tarp or other material covering the ground. I could be mistaken. That could be wishful thinking :S
But the best part is, the living room will be able to connect to netflix when I'm done. And in the not too distant future, a possible basic HTPC. I'm trying to find the cheapest/best HP or Dell desktop slim case for my money. Open to suggestions. It has to look preferably sharp. Black is definitely preferred. I will not buy the HEC case again. I'm unimpressed with it's airflow...
I'm also open for suggestions about the tool(preferably local, E.g. home depot), that can make the indoor RJ-45 jack possible.
Oman7,
I don't think you could do much better than this for the money!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883147364&cm_re=hp_computers_desktop-_-83-147-364-_-Product
Personally I have mostly praise for the Slimlines. They run quiet and seem pretty dependable. The only pain I had with one, was finding a Fax/Modem to fit it. I wound up fabricating a new low profile mount, by removing the old one and drilling a couple of new holes, then mounting the new modem to the old low profile bracket! Wasn't exactly difficult!
Best Regards,
Russ
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10. December 2010 @ 21:51 |
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I think I've got my first defective WD drive, one of the FASS drives too lol. I'm not sure exactly what the problem could be but transferring specific files to that drive will cause robocopy to freeze hard(actual error is "Error 23 - Data Error (cyclic redundancy check)") to the point I had to kill the power to system (reset) in order to terminate the process. It still might be the sata cable (I just got hosed on a shipping for really small order this morning and now I need a spare sata cable....), but I feel that the cable is fine since if I avoid the files it tends to hang on everything proceeds smoothly.
edit: are you suggesting some one "buy" a premade computer Russ (in this thread no less)? I'm shocked ;p
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11. December 2010 @ 00:06 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
The tools are common and cheap.
I wouldn't call them cheap. I've been shopping at Home depot, and ace hardware though...
(Need it this weekend)
Good looking case russ. I wouldn't buy the PC though. :p
@Deadrum33: Yes, an outlet. I've thought about a temporary running under the house too. But Supposedly my mother wants her office in the indicated area one day. So probably when I move out, she moves in LOL! Permanent solution seems like the way to go.
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11. December 2010 @ 03:11 |
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As long as you don't intend to upgrade the system with a decent dedicated card later, which is the mistake most people make, slimlines are fine.
Maw: I've had that with at least three, possibly four of my drives. Every time it has been the S-ATA cable. S-ATA cables are crap!
As for me, cable-staplers. Just trunk a cable along the ceiling. Do it right and it's hardly noticeable.
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11. December 2010 @ 03:51 |
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In an apartment I probably would staple it to the ceiling ;) This is not my house, and jacking it in permanently won't be too much effort.
Since the GT210 has proved itself still operable, I'll run it in the future HTPC. Either that or the board I buy will have onboard HDMI. I've been looking very closely at a gigabyte board. I refuse to buy another Nvidia chipped board. They blew it in the worst way. I hope they read this too... perhaps their next generation will be worth a half a $h!t...
Never had a bad sata cable myself. At least not that I know of. It is possible that that is why my BD burner screws up at 6X :S
LOL, remember that crystal head vodka that was brought up? My local liquor store has it. I paid 10+ dollars more than I needed to. Though I did apparently get it signed by dan akroyd :p
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11. December 2010 @ 11:38 |
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11. December 2010 @ 11:41 |
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'their next generation' - referring to what? The G210 is already two generations old. They just still sell it as they haven't produced low end cards for the 4/5 generation.
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11. December 2010 @ 13:07 |
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I simply mean perhaps soon, they'll correct their shotty chips :p I didn't wanna believe it when people were talking badly about Nvidia chipsets. I've been victim to it twice now. Possibly 3. Never did find out what was wrong with the 3rd. That's completely unacceptable. With that kind of crap going on, Nvidia is hardly competition for ati. I haven't heard people speak poorly of AMD's chipsets. I thought companies were supposed to better themselves...
Thanks for the links Deadrum, unfortunately, I need the stuff today. So unless they have a teleporter, they're out of the question. Which is fine. The prices at Home Depot didn't seem to bad.
The idea of networking the entire house did occur to me. However, I don't see them needing that kind of potential anytime soon. I can always crawl back under there ;) Their living room is the only immediate concern. "Network B" room will be an Arts crafts room in the not too distant future. "Network A" room (where I currently reside) will be her office. "Network C" is obviously the Living room.
I sure hope her ISP can offer her more than a 5Mb connection in the future. Or streaming HD could become problematic. It currently has trouble maintaining a 5Mb connection. July 4th my connection became highly erratic. Once it started cooling down outside, it seemed to stabilize. Really weird. Makes me wonder if there is a wiring issue underground(We do seem to have a lot of Moles). The main junctions have already been tested by the ISP :(
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11. December 2010 @ 13:39 |
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AMD Chipsets aren't wonderful either tbh, but they're worlds apart from nvidias at least.
The problem is, people only review stuff when it's new and it works, so long-term stuff like this is never written about in proper articles. Thus, people assume it's not true. Same goes for Asus stuff.
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11. December 2010 @ 14:47 |
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Remember when we were talking about how Energizer Lithium batteries are stupid powerful? I just tested one with my digi meter. It reads 1.8V! The ones in my camera which have been going for a long long time, are finally reading just over 1.5V. 20% more volts than rating does seem like too much LOL! I may not put them in just any device anymore.
Even my rechargeables only read 1.3v.
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11. December 2010 @ 14:50 |
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Fresh alkaline AAs typically read about 1.7V on my voltmeter. Internal resistance on lithiums is pretty low, put them in something high-current and the voltage they read will drop a bit.
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11. December 2010 @ 19:29 |
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Well I'm friggin fired! I swear, I need a gameplan before I drive to town. Have everything I need except one thing. I bought ONE where I need TWO of the following. I swear I'd lose my head if it weren't attached! And I'm not interested in driving to town 3 times in one day. Especially with gas prices on the rise again :(
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12. December 2010 @ 04:17 |
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Originally posted by Red_Maw:
I think I've got my first defective WD drive, one of the FASS drives too lol. I'm not sure exactly what the problem could be but transferring specific files to that drive will cause robocopy to freeze hard(actual error is "Error 23 - Data Error (cyclic redundancy check)") to the point I had to kill the power to system (reset) in order to terminate the process. It still might be the sata cable (I just got hosed on a shipping for really small order this morning and now I need a spare sata cable....), but I feel that the cable is fine since if I avoid the files it tends to hang on everything proceeds smoothly.
edit: are you suggesting some one "buy" a premade computer Russ (in this thread no less)? I'm shocked ;p
Red_Maw,
Did I miss something here? I answered his request:"I'm trying to find the cheapest/best HP or Dell desktop slim case for my money."
I sent him a link for a $439 HP slimLine Athlon II 3.0GHz Dual core w/3GB DDR3-1333 Ram and a 640GB HDD. I didn't even bother with Dell! Too expensive!
Russ
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12. December 2010 @ 07:46 |
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For the record a lot of Dell stuff, especially their business grade line, is fairly high quality. It took them a long long time to produce a system that does kill itself by design though. Their latest efforts have been fairly impressive.
Also, Yay Coolit on the way!
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T 4GHz(20 x 200) 1.5v 3000NB 2000HT, Corsair Hydro H110 w/ 4 x 140mm 1500RPM fans Push/Pull, Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5, 8GB(2 x 4GB) G.Skill RipJaws DDR3-1600 @ 1600MHz CL9 1.55v, Gigabyte GTX760 OC 4GB(1170/1700), Corsair 750HX
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12. December 2010 @ 19:04 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Red_Maw,
Did I miss something here? I answered his request:"I'm trying to find the cheapest/best HP or Dell desktop slim case for my money."
I sent him a link for a $439 HP slimLine Athlon II 3.0GHz Dual core w/3GB DDR3-1333 Ram and a 640GB HDD. I didn't even bother with Dell! Too expensive!
Russ
No, I missed something; didn't fully read oman's post and so I missed the part where me mentioned hp/dell.
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