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The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition
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3. January 2011 @ 05:12 |
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Omega: I'll solve it for you, the wd1001fals isn't as fast as a velociraptor, it's a 7200rpm drive!
Russ: Everest, apart from crackling my sound severely, lags my computer so severely it's almost unusable, once i's been open for a few hours, eventually it will BSOD. I wasn't aware anyone was leaving everest open all the time, that'll do it!
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3. January 2011 @ 05:35 |
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It just felt smoother at times. I haven't ran it like that for a while though. They're storage drives, I treat them as such now.
I noticed a cracking sound recently and discovered Everest was open! That's friggin messed up!
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3. January 2011 @ 05:58 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Omega: I'll solve it for you, the wd1001fals isn't as fast as a velociraptor, it's a 7200rpm drive!
Russ: Everest, apart from crackling my sound severely, lags my computer so severely it's almost unusable, once i's been open for a few hours, eventually it will BSOD. I wasn't aware anyone was leaving everest open all the time, that'll do it!
Sam,
The funny thing is that I have been doing it for about 9 months with no problems! Then all of a sudden it started screwing up? BSODs while on yahoo messenger voice calls. Same with Windows messenger. It actually froze in the middle of a BSOD! never saw that before.
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3. January 2011 @ 12:58 |
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3. January 2011 @ 14:17 |
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Can't copy video? LOL! They never give up do they. It'll be circumvented. It always is. It's only a matter of time. They waist time and money on pointless endeavors. Never ceases to amaze me. I understand why, but it still seems silly from my vantage :p
I suspect this will turn many people off. Perhaps not enthusiasts though ;)
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3. January 2011 @ 15:08 |
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Originally posted by O-man:
It'll be circumvented. It always is. It's only a matter of time.
I guess my post was a bit misleading, as it deals with streaming content. BUT wouldn't, if successful, be a precursor to physical media also? but yes you are right, it always is. PS3's took about the longest to crack but the floodgates have finally been opened so this may be the new toy to crack.
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3. January 2011 @ 17:12 |
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3. January 2011 @ 18:58 |
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sammorris,
Remember when I was talking about the speed of today's computers and asking how fast is fast. You and I both know that Sophocles always does a new build. every spring. This is what he had to say about doing one this year.
"Year after year I've done a new build in the spring to insure that I had fast reencoding rig at the top of its game. This year things are a little different. I have two overclocked Core 2 Quads that are about as good as it gets for now (. Sure I could milk a little more speed out of an I7 rig, but I don't think it would be anything that I could appreciate any real difference from what I already have so I decided to get back into playing music."
I almost fell over reading that, but it's exactly what I was talking about. Unless you are a Hard core gamer that tries to get every single MIP or FPS out of the computer, or have a specific need for the extra speed, it's just not worth the money to most people, even enthusiasts! We've reached the point where the difference in speed no longer matters to most people, especially with our economy here in the States, in the tank! Sandybridge, Bulldozer and Bobcat could be a very hard sell. Especially since a new Motherboard will be needed too!
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3. January 2011 @ 19:10 |
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Eh, they have my buck LOL! Bulldozer does anyway. I'm too used to amd's quirks...
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3. January 2011 @ 19:41 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
Unless you are a Hard core gamer that tries to get every single MIP or FPS out of the computer, or have a specific need for the extra speed, it's just not worth the money to most people, even enthusiasts!
When i upgraded to i7 recently it wasn't for games, or extra speed (although flying through BD-RB and especially DVD-RB is definitely a plus). I wanted an upgrade that i could also dual boot Apple snow leopard OS, and hardware is limited. I could have shaved a $100 off the mobo, i didn't NEED tri-channel RAM and whatnot, but my philosophy is do it right the first time, and if it cost a few dollars extra do it, DO IT. At best, you only wish and wonder "what if" later down the road, and at worst you go spend more money later to make up for the "what if". Seeing the same hardware as a $3000+ Mac Pro for less than a third of the price makes me feel validated.
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3. January 2011 @ 20:47 |
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Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Originally posted by theonejrs:
Unless you are a Hard core gamer that tries to get every single MIP or FPS out of the computer, or have a specific need for the extra speed, it's just not worth the money to most people, even enthusiasts!
When i upgraded to i7 recently it wasn't for games, or extra speed (although flying through BD-RB and especially DVD-RB is definitely a plus). I wanted an upgrade that i could also dual boot Apple snow leopard OS, and hardware is limited. I could have shaved a $100 off the mobo, i didn't NEED tri-channel RAM and whatnot, but my philosophy is do it right the first time, and if it cost a few dollars extra do it, DO IT. At best, you only wish and wonder "what if" later down the road, and at worst you go spend more money later to make up for the "what if". Seeing the same hardware as a $3000+ Mac Pro for less than a third of the price makes me feel validated.
Deadrom33,
That's what I mean by special needs, and few people other than enthusiasts get involved with BD content at all. I'm in no rush to spend money I don't have right now. I was just surprised by what Sophocles said. He's built at least one or two computers a year for himself for a very long time. A lot longer than I've known him. To see him pass now, was quite a surprise. I still plan on a Phenom II 1090T BE later this year!
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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4. January 2011 @ 04:33 |
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As a high end gamer I can feel the difference between my q9550 and my i5. Beyond the i5 though, at least for now, would be a waste. At my res I'll take all the graphics power I can get, but CPU-wise I have all bases covered for now. Soph's attitude does not surprise me, for most it is the right attitude.
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5. January 2011 @ 01:15 |
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Sam, I'm sorry, but I'm still uncertain about your configuration. With your extreme storage, are you running redundancies? I mean, surely you're not trusting your drives to not fail LOL! Raid 1? I'm thinking that's what I'll do with my second drive I have here. Run a windows 7 software raid 1.
I may retire my 1Tb drives to a shelf, with certain things stored. And plug them in via adapter as needed. Perhaps I'll store them in one of these(If I can find them):
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5. January 2011 @ 03:13 |
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Thank you creaky and Sam, I now have a plan :) And these little Gems from newegg are gonna help me. Shame they're rather spendy though. Wish supermediastore would sell them. They always have good prices on storage solutions ;)
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5. January 2011 @ 03:42 |
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They're as rare as hen's teeth this side of the pond, i managed to find a few on eBay; not as cheaply as i'd like but i don't like buying stuff from China/Hong Kong, take too to arrive (if at all). I think i paid about £4 or £5 each, not expensive really for the protection and portability they provide. Great things though, i got the idea from work as we use them for our main overnight backup disks (2TB) which are taken offsite each day by one of us.
I have 6 at home, one is spare for the next drive upgrade i do but i keep looking for more drive tanks as eventually i'll need a few more.
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5. January 2011 @ 04:17 |
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Yah, you're right. Given how rare they are, and not a whole lot of demand, I suppose they are appropriately priced. Can't wait to have a few laying around LOL!
Creaky, You think software Raid 1 is ok? I imagine Raid 0 would be risky, but Raid 1 should be full proof. Do you setup such configurations?
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5. January 2011 @ 04:24 |
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Only at work, and not for a few years now (even then it was only on medium to huge Unix systems, not on PC's). The only software RAID i used was (again Unix) Veritas Volume Manager/Filesystem, but apart from the software being brilliant, the underlying hardware arrays (hundreds of discs across many disk arrays & controllers - scsi/fibre channel etc) were correctly setup for hardware redundancy. I can't think of any other software RAID but even so, on lowly PC technology i don't think it would be much good. As i often say, RAID at home is something i've never had an interest in, too much like bringing my work home, far too long for rebuilds/resyncs and i personally find it much easier to keep manual backups of everything, it's hardly any extra work/hassle over and above having just a single drive with no protection.
Haven't had to do much RAID in the new job yet, we have a single main server at each of our branches with RAID but being main servers they're up 24/7 so don't need to mess much, we do have many linux servers with RAID but they're (like the main servers) just RAIDed on the boot disks, and once built, again there isn't much need to mess with them. We tend to often build new linux servers for disk staging and the like, ie copying silly amounts of data from foreign branches (using 'rsync') so we have local copies of most foreign branch data, some rsync's have been running for a few months, incrementally backing up data (i wrote loads of scripts to automate it all, which also kill the rsyncs when each working day starts, though i do also have some rsyncs that run locally between servers to recopy some of that same data to other servers, and again these are auto-killed at close of play so as not to clash with the overnight rsyncs). A tad confusing sometimes but my point is that this way we have more ingenious ways of protecting data than maintaining more RAID than is necessary. We're currently testing a new (tape, LTO3) backup server to replace the old one, though our main, critical backups run to 2TB hard drives, tape backups are a secondary form of backup
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5. January 2011 @ 04:25 |
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Well...If I do it manually, I run the risk of forgetting something LOL!!!
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5. January 2011 @ 04:41 |
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I've edited my previous reply to flesh out my thinking a little.
Nothing to forget really. Here's roughly how i do my own backups -
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1) 500GB - boot disk and various other data to use up the 500GB better, 'file server' stuff etc
2) 500GB - MP3's
3) 2TB - AVI's
4) 2TB - AVI's
5) 2TB - Documentaries & Concerts
6) 2TB - TV shows/Kids shows (cartoon shows etc)
(the 2 500GB's eventually need replacing with 2TB drives and i can then move Concerts onto the MP3 drive, stuff like that). The drives are all filling nicely but hopefully i'll not have to replace any 2TB drives with anything larger, i can't be doing with any other upgrades after these drives are all at 2TB.
Anyways, i have a cheapy SATA dock, whenever i make changes, ie new AVI's, TV shows or whatnot (or of course, delete stuff), i just pop the relevant external backup drive into the SATA dock, make the same changes and it's done. For adding new stuff (as opposed to deleting, which is done manually) i use robocopy with certain command line switches, all i have to do is fire up a dos box, paste the relevant robocopy command into the dos box (as i always forget the switches) and let it run. This way, even if i don't bother updating the external drive every time i make changes to internal drives, robocopy will transparently cater for what i've forgotten on a subsequent robocopy pass.
It's dead easy and not time consuming at all. Apart from not wasting hours of my life arsing about with RAID rebuilds i have an up to date external drive always available to recopy in full if wanted or needed, for that i use the dual SATA dock at work, it's £55 or so so a bit steep to buy my own when it'd rarely ever get used (we use it quite a bit at work though as we're often rebuilding user pc's)
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5. January 2011 @ 04:44 |
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No, RAID1 would be worse than what I have, as it offers the same level of redundancy [data lost if a matched pair fails] but with all the issues and hassles of using RAID.
I simply have two sets of hard disks, one in my server, and one sitting outside in various places that I use with an external enclosure.
This way, I'm protected from single, and also multiple disk failures, assuming the drive's counterpart outside the case doesn't fail simultaneously (different sizes/models/brands/ages etc, this is very unlikely), and more importantly, I'm protected from environment failures, such as the case being dropped, a PSU failure or power surge, and stuff like that.
Having 22 hard disks in any shape or form is cumbersome, but for not having to deal with all the terribleness of RAID, it's well worth it in my opinion, easier to set up [I had everything up and running within 4 days of the new drives arriving] and actually cheaper.
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5. January 2011 @ 04:52 |
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Ok. I definitely need a friggin sata dock :p I see the risk in having all eggs in one basket. I guess I trust Corsair PSU's quite a bit. But perhaps I shouldn't trust any company soo much. That would be foolish. And I'm dealing with a LOT of data here. And you guys deal with even more LOL! I'm definitely getting sick of looking at soo many optical disks ;)
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5. January 2011 @ 05:37 |
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so guys, what's the general consensus on sndybridge? Go for it with its near 5GHz on air OCing, or wait for bulldozer?
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5. January 2011 @ 05:54 |
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I'd like to see some pricing, and -->encoding<-- comparisons. But myself it'll probably be Bulldozer. AMD generally seems to hit the pricing just right. Time will tell of course.
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5. January 2011 @ 07:13 |
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Will more than likely be jumping on the Bulldozer bandwagon as well. Like Omega said price is as important as performance and AMD have the pricing game down pat. Of course we're all waiting to see benchmarks before making a decision, but my confidence is high.
Will probably be sitting on my current hardware for a while until a good deal comes my way. Have a few "extended budget" enthusiast friends so brand new(less than a month old) second-hand parts are never far away. My 955BE was purchased from Newegg about 3 weeks before I ever got my hands on it. The guy overclocked it, benchmarked it, then promptly replaced it with a 1090T. Sort of curious to see if that comes my way now :P
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5. January 2011 @ 07:52 |
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double post due to connectivity issue with aD
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