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article published on 12 December, 2009
Left Behind Games, infamously known for their Christian-themed PC games, have decided to expand their games to gaming consoles, announcing the launch of Bible Adventures for the Xbox 360 and the Wii.
The game is not a port of the old NES game by the same name but instead "a brand new game that happens to have the same title, this one set in their "Charlie the Church Mouse" series of educational ... [ read the full article ]
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15. December 2009 @ 11:25 |
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Joshewah, I don't know where you live.
I used to live in the US for many years and was always amazed at the degree of "religiousness" I encountered. Preachers on 24h/day Christian TV stations, constant "Jesusing" on the radio, "In God we Trust" & "God Bless America" before and during any public or not so public event, etc...I often felt like screaming: shut up for just a moment! We know already!
Freedom to speak up, freedom of the press, freedom to have your own beliefs, freedom to have kids and to raise them the way you want to, as it is being practiced in the US, isn't going to be perfect but it is better than to have some "Authority" tell everybody which video games are OK and which ones are not.
Now, I live in Western Europe where God and The Church are completely marginalized. There is no passionate debate about God and The Afterlife. There are just yawns if the subject is raised. Europeans consider this an entirely private matter. I expect that video games with bible themes would be found in the same section where Devil Worship video games can be found.
I think children in Europe are choosing what and what not to believe, even if their parents and grand parents survived WW II as a very religious bunch and sent everybody to catholic school. It didn't work in Europe and probably won't work in the US, brainwashing with religious video games notwithstanding. If they want them, let them have them. They have the right.
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15. December 2009 @ 17:15 |
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I live in Central U.S. Its a mix of free and religious thinking. I wouldn't at all have a problem with religion if it didn't interfere with science education. Some theists are threatened by scientific studies but they shouldn't be. These are the same studies that allow us to live as civilized as we do today with the knowledge and technologies we enjoy. Games like this bible game will try to teach their versions of historical events and origin of our species. Teaching try to replace credible education with education that holds no water and has no sound evidence.
I hate to come off as a religious bigot. I have quite a few friends with religious beliefs that are extremely intelligent, but they don't discredit sound science in favor of 3000 year old stories with 0 evidence.
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17. December 2009 @ 14:41 |
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If all life on Earth came from one single Cell...
Where did the Cell come from?
Throw the "religious" dogma out and look at the problem with intellegence and an open mind and you will discover that there is as much likely hood that there was intellegence behind creation as not. And there is no actual proof either way. To close your mind to one idea or the other is to be just that... CLOSED MINDED.
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17. December 2009 @ 15:21 |
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Originally posted by Joshewah:
I live in Central U.S. Its a mix of free and religious thinking. I wouldn't at all have a problem with religion if it didn't interfere with science education. Some theists are threatened by scientific studies but they shouldn't be. These are the same studies that allow us to live as civilized as we do today with the knowledge and technologies we enjoy. Games like this bible game will try to teach their versions of historical events and origin of our species. Teaching try to replace credible education with education that holds no water and has no sound evidence.
I hate to come off as a religious bigot. I have quite a few friends with religious beliefs that are extremely intelligent, but they don't discredit sound science in favor of 3000 year old stories with 0 evidence.
I have found if you focus on how people limit themselves is easier ignore the real moronic ones if need be. Some and yes I do mean some religious folk think whatever it is they are on is the only way I do not believe in absolutism in religion(or most things humans).
Religion is all well and fine until they expect you to believe that god is only for the chosen for whom he chooses by the people he has chosen that tell you that they were chosen by him......... uuhhgggg.... get over it people if "God" is not light, love and forgiveness its shadow, ambiguity, division, hatred and annoyed annoying spitefulness.
I do not believe in the absolution of god or religion, I lean to the christian scenario and all but since god is beyond human pettiness, logic, greed, gender and human religion I find it silly to be so stern and dim.........
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Originally posted by scum101:
It's still our only goal .. to reproduce and continue our genetic code.. and unless we put aside a lot of junk quickly we will fail, just like 99.9% of all species that have ever existed.
These games should carry an 18+ warning, just like the violent ones.. these are worse, they allow bigoted parents to indoctrinate their lies and false beliefs into children too young to make an informed choice about what is fantasy and what is real. Very few other games are sold with this false "truth" element .. How about Holocaust Tycoon? .. run your own death camp and get rich from the gold teeth then get yourself right to the top, eventually becoming Camp Commandant and a high ranking member of the party.... oh no.. FAR too close to an unpleasant truth. It would never happen, because it might upset some people. I wouldn't care. It could be educational and fact based. We know the facts of the matter so nothing apart from the possible back story.
This is where the lines get blurred as soon as religion comes into it. In the GTA series women are seen and treated as ho's and bitches.. We know that isn't true, but in the game it's accepted as a part of the fictitious world the game is set in. These games have an age rating because?.. to protect children who can't understand the difference between fantasy and reality.
In my world forcing lies on children as truth with the threat of a violent punishment if they refuse to accept and continue the lie is pure child abuse. There is no other way to see it. There is a matter of strong personal conscience.. My child was brought up free from these lies, but now as an adult it's up to her whatever crap she wants to believe.. the operative word being ADULT!
I don't believe this topic is still ongoing after I reported it as breaking one of the fundamental site rules.
Heres one I heard at the weekend..
"On the 9th day god created transpeople.. to keep the creationists straight about the truth of evolution and that everything is not perfect.. evolution makes various changes as a fact of itself otherwise we would all be blue slime.. live with it"
dude, how can you equate the holocaust to the gospel? the man died for my sins.
anyway, please let's all stop this. this is not in any way related to the game. and to all christian brothers, this could not be how he wanted his people to tell others of his love. there must be a better way.
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18. December 2009 @ 07:30 |
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Nobody died for anybodys sins.. the whole story is an allegory.. a method of thinking which rejects the organised and corrupted by power political situation 2000 years ago.
We have never looked beyond, because those with power will hold on to it, and those without will be controlled and told what to think. It was going on 2000 years ago, and it continues to this day.. the names may change but the song remains the same. We still have religion corrupting our government and law, making illogical statements as fact and using their word as a means of oppression.
At this time of year (a corrupted pagan festival, the birthday of the sun) it is good to reflect on the nature of lies and who benefits from holding them up as unassailable truth. People want to quote jesus.. fine.. I think what I say is often in agreement with the sentiments of that allegory, the overturner of the tables, the refusenik who would not agree with false accusation and lies to save face for those who abuse power and position.
There is a message, but the message isn't religion, it is a way of thinking and understanding situations and the way those who hold power will twist and corrupt truth for their own ends. These games would be good if they went down that line, but they don't.. they support the status quo and the unquestioning rule of those with power.
I like the way my allegory of the death camp tycoon game hit a nerve.. It would never happen because it exposes truths about fanaticism and unquestioning obedience to an imposed set of rules. Like it or not nazism was another form of fundamentalist religion.. a vision of one race of people all bread to be the same and indoctrinated to believe the same things. The only difference is we know who thought it up, and it used 20th century methods to achieve it's goals. If history had been different how would the world of blond blue eyed humans view Adolf in 1000 years?? Pope,dictator,furher .. same difference.. all rule by dictat and wield unquestionable authority. The message is to question that assumed authority, and the only way to do that is as a rational logical creature existing with self determination and self awareness, not by believing what you are told from a book completely detached from any context or reality.
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18. December 2009 @ 08:14 |
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Originally posted by scum101:
Nobody died for anybodys sins.. the whole story is an allegory.. a method of thinking which rejects the organised and corrupted by power political situation 2000 years ago.
We have never looked beyond, because those with power will hold on to it, and those without will be controlled and told what to think. It was going on 2000 years ago, and it continues to this day.. the names may change but the song remains the same. We still have religion corrupting our government and law, making illogical statements as fact and using their word as a means of oppression.
At this time of year (a corrupted pagan festival, the birthday of the sun) it is good to reflect on the nature of lies and who benefits from holding them up as unassailable truth. People want to quote jesus.. fine.. I think what I say is often in agreement with the sentiments of that allegory, the overturner of the tables, the refusenik who would not agree with false accusation and lies to save face for those who abuse power and position.
There is a message, but the message isn't religion, it is a way of thinking and understanding situations and the way those who hold power will twist and corrupt truth for their own ends. These games would be good if they went down that line, but they don't.. they support the status quo and the unquestioning rule of those with power.
I like the way my allegory of the death camp tycoon game hit a nerve.. It would never happen because it exposes truths about fanaticism and unquestioning obedience to an imposed set of rules. Like it or not nazism was another form of fundamentalist religion.. a vision of one race of people all bread to be the same and indoctrinated to believe the same things. The only difference is we know who thought it up, and it used 20th century methods to achieve it's goals. If history had been different how would the world of blond blue eyed humans view Adolf in 1000 years?? Pope,dictator,furher .. same difference.. all rule by dictat and wield unquestionable authority. The message is to question that assumed authority, and the only way to do that is as a rational logical creature existing with self determination and self awareness, not by believing what you are told from a book completely detached from any context or reality.
Never watch the history channel much do you, truth is stranger than fiction tho tales of old are not completely literal.
Also do not forget one of the main parts of Christianity, it took into it alot of other religions and made their festivals and such part of itself to help win over people, of course as it organized more things were changed and altered to fit either the theme of Christianity or the needs of the church. No religion pagan or otherwise can survive without its church and no religion can survive without the chrunch seeking to fullfill the needs both noble and inane of its preachers. A church is after all a human organization founded upon like views and like any other mob can be as corrupt or immutable as the common sheeple in the fold.
Religion offers security in ignorance, much like any org or group that dose not ask much of its members and greatest thing given is lip service with some real world action attached to it randomly.
Modern religion is bad about lip service and division, I mean you can boil modern religion(and if you wish to paint broadly all religion) with something like this Quote:
"We as a group" of "this" know better than "those of that" and thus as "we seek to" know "this" better "we can see" what "they can not see" and "we" shall spread the word "doing its deeds and being praised for that holly work" while "we try to inform" "they of unknown" "to us that we are great" in its glory and they shall be too if they accept us.
As you can see its us and them, the chosen and the unknown the ignorant and the forgiven, the righteous and the repentant. While they say all are sinners while they say all are flawed if you do not believe you are invalid if you are the X to their Y you are marked and made to suffer until you give in.
So many contradictions so human I have seen religion up close and from afar and have come to this conclusion man is fallible, religion by direct correlation is fallible because there is no other causation no other outcome we simply can not know all even by following "the plan" shown to us by our elders or conglomerated groups of faith and study we are simply fallible. This dose not mean we should not have faith merely be wary of the world and know its living and ever changing. "God" either in singular or multi form was once hateful, spiteful and wrathful as flawed and vague as man itself was and then a great change came he(she,it,ect,ect) forgave us completely, to know is not a matter of choice we are simply lifted from the burden of death of the soul and unjustified wrath of of the unknown.
In short I believe that unless one dose not forgive themselves and dose not try hard to be a flawed and well balanced human one is not outcasted to punishment in the world here after. We are here for a reason however petty and inane it is...but while from afar it seems as ants we scurry about individually we live,we love we understand and comprehend so much in the blink of an eye called human existence. Faith is there to lift us up and understand not hide in petty disdain and intolerance.
God can be a flying toaster
Good days come with light browning and buttery goodness bad days chaffing crumbs are everywhere with a chance of dark dry bitter toast, just rmeember its always above looking to save the day...unles of corse you hate toast Satan would like to ahve a word with you ...do you want some toast? hoddy doddle do!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZslRQvv5zM&feature=related
talkies my name(satan my nick name) and toasting is my game!.
My point being the more forgiving and kind religion is the less it can screw up and be a grade A pain in the ass...
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yes I know...I stayed up an extra hour writing this out...I go to bed now its 8AM 0-o
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Hehe, Jesus was a freedom fighter who stood up to the Religious and Imperial establishment, now he is under attack (2000 years later) from the religious establishment, trying to pigeon hole him in a box, and the those who would say arbitrarily that he does not exist based on the short combings of said Imperial power in absorbing Pagan festivals and renaming them Christmas... lol WE ARE ALL DECEIVED! The Empire adopted a growing religion to control those it could no longer control by violence.
As for this game... I would NEVER have known of its existence if it were not for this article. The preacher in Half Life 2 was awesome, but this looks boring. Yet, saying that, if someone were to make an no holds barred interpretation of the creation and Biblical stories without bias or overt political/ geopolitical aims or ambitions, it may MAY be worth a look. Don't hold your breath.
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20. December 2009 @ 21:00 |
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I hope it has an Ultra Mature rating considering the bible has lots of violence and incest.
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20. December 2009 @ 21:23 |
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Originally posted by hermes_vb:
I hope it has an Ultra Mature rating considering the bible has lots of violence and incest.
No this will be mreo liek veggie tales..... which is really pornographic if you have even the least bit of a perverted mind :P
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23. December 2009 @ 03:41 |
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To those who think someone is trying to "push" something on them every time a religious discussion comes up:
Your feeling is because of your own reluctance to fill the void in your life. When you think about it honestly, that is the only way to explain your knee-jerk reaction. Why else the aversion? You will be much more fulfilled if you can admit that there IS something missing in your life. If not any one particular religion, just realize a spiritual component must be lacking.
BALANCE is healthy.
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23. December 2009 @ 03:49 |
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Now, since it is CHRISTmas, allow me to remind those of us who have lost it: This is the holiday that celebrates our savior's birth. God as a man. Why would he do this? To experience the human condition firsthand, to identify with us, and save us (note 'savior' above) from evil. Why? Jesus loves you. That is all I will say for now. Jesus loves you.
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23. December 2009 @ 04:59 |
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Actually I am very happy for you, cart0181, that you have found peace and harmony within yourself. A soulful Xmas to you.
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23. December 2009 @ 06:51 |
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And let us all here at Afterdawn say AMEN.
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25. December 2009 @ 03:22 |
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If I always hear voices surrounding me, does it mean Im crazy or that I hear in Dolby 5.1?
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25. December 2009 @ 06:23 |
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I enjoyed that video. God bless America. Jesus rules. In God we trust... I hope The Lord saves us from Global Warming and allows for a little nuttiness in our lives, even some Christian, Muslim and other religious nuttiness.
Just don't let it IMPOSE its ideology on the rest of us. Thank you, Lord!
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Originally posted by cart0181:
Now, since it is CHRISTmas, allow me to remind those of us who have lost it: This is the holiday that celebrates our savior's birth. God as a man. Why would he do this? To experience the human condition firsthand, to identify with us, and save us (note 'savior' above) from evil. Why? Jesus loves you. That is all I will say for now. Jesus loves you.
Meh Jesus level of forgiveness goes beyond over 9000 while he cares for the most part its not what you do with your life since you've been saved by his act.
And as Christianity sucked anything worthwhile out of pagan events and regurgitated it as their own bastardized version there's no real harm in a bit of get back and having the non pagans turn Christmas into happy holidays. While I find nothing wrong with Christian Christmas I find it much more amusing and fun seeing everyone get back at Christianity just for the lulz of it.
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A good person does not need religion to be a good person, but an evil person needs it totally to make themselves look good and to gain power by association.
I see a great many of these types of discussions and a lot of people bring the subject up with me on the net just because of my chosen nick.
This quote right here is one of the first ones that I've seen that actually "gets it".
IMO:
Good is good. You do not have to be told what is good. It does not have to be "commanded" to you. You do not have to read it in a book. Your brain knows when your actions are good or not good.
It is YOU, who decides to do good or not to do good.
Religion is just a group of like minded people who want to do good and feel that associating with others who feel the same will help them to be better. There is nothing wrong with this. As a matter of fact it is a very good thing. Groups of people, banding together to do good things. How can that be bad?
Well, it goes bad because religions are man-made. They are controlled and run by men and because of that they are far from perfect. A GOOD person knows this and conducts themselves correctly. Do not judge the man by the religion. Each man is an individual. If a person chooses to be Christian does that mean he believes in stoning adulterers? Or cutting the hand off of the man who steals?
If a man is Jewish does that mean he hates Christians? or Muslims?
Judge the man, not the religion. Each man is an individual. Is he good or is he not? That is the only question.
In the end you cannot know that answer. Not for sure. You might have a very good idea but ultimately, only the man knows for sure.
There was religion before Abraham. Even monotheistic religions, particularly in the Sumerian/Egyptian areas. I am less well versed on the Eastern or American religions but I'm certain that it existed there as well, in some form. As near as I can tell, religion existed as long as man lived in groups. And I believe it will exist as long as man lives into the future. It is as "human" as laungage. To disregard it is to be delusional. If you think that insulting, ridiculing, attacking and berating religion will somehow make your beliefs more prominent then theirs then more power to you. But you're beating your head against a very old and very strong brick wall.
In the end all we as men can do is to do good and hope that that is enough.
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Quote:i doubt your 6 year old will wonder into gamestop and buy a 65 dollar game
No, instead the deluded parents will buy the game in an attempt to poison the well of knowledge of yet another generation, and the game company will earn money to fuel their propaganda machine (tax free of course).
It's vital for the church to instill religion into the youth while their brain is still malleable and easily exploitable. Religious videogames provide the perfect opportunity for this form of child abuse.
And I suppose Harry Potter is just fine?
I'm just saying...
Oh, Im sorry... Did the middle of my sentence interrupt the beginning of yours?
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Quote:i doubt your 6 year old will wonder into gamestop and buy a 65 dollar game
No, instead the deluded parents will buy the game in an attempt to poison the well of knowledge of yet another generation, and the game company will earn money to fuel their propaganda machine (tax free of course).
It's vital for the church to instill religion into the youth while their brain is still malleable and easily exploitable. Religious videogames provide the perfect opportunity for this form of child abuse.
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And I suppose Harry Potter is just fine?
I'm just saying...
Harry potter is fine as a videogame cause people know its fictional.the problem with basing a game on the bible people actually think the bible is true.
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Originally posted by ThePastor:
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A good person does not need religion to be a good person, but an evil person needs it totally to make themselves look good and to gain power by association.
I see a great many of these types of discussions and a lot of people bring the subject up with me on the net just because of my chosen nick.
This quote right here is one of the first ones that I've seen that actually "gets it".
IMO:
Good is good. You do not have to be told what is good. It does not have to be "commanded" to you. You do not have to read it in a book. Your brain knows when your actions are good or not good.
It is YOU, who decides to do good or not to do good.
Religion is just a group of like minded people who want to do good and feel that associating with others who feel the same will help them to be better. There is nothing wrong with this. As a matter of fact it is a very good thing. Groups of people, banding together to do good things. How can that be bad?
Well, it goes bad because religions are man-made. They are controlled and run by men and because of that they are far from perfect. A GOOD person knows this and conducts themselves correctly. Do not judge the man by the religion. Each man is an individual. If a person chooses to be Christian does that mean he believes in stoning adulterers? Or cutting the hand off of the man who steals?
If a man is Jewish does that mean he hates Christians? or Muslims?
Judge the man, not the religion. Each man is an individual. Is he good or is he not? That is the only question.
In the end you cannot know that answer. Not for sure. You might have a very good idea but ultimately, only the man knows for sure.
There was religion before Abraham. Even monotheistic religions, particularly in the Sumerian/Egyptian areas. I am less well versed on the Eastern or American religions but I'm certain that it existed there as well, in some form. As near as I can tell, religion existed as long as man lived in groups. And I believe it will exist as long as man lives into the future. It is as "human" as laungage. To disregard it is to be delusional. If you think that insulting, ridiculing, attacking and berating religion will somehow make your beliefs more prominent then theirs then more power to you. But you're beating your head against a very old and very strong brick wall.
In the end all we as men can do is to do good and hope that that is enough.
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Quote:i doubt your 6 year old will wonder into gamestop and buy a 65 dollar game
No, instead the deluded parents will buy the game in an attempt to poison the well of knowledge of yet another generation, and the game company will earn money to fuel their propaganda machine (tax free of course).
It's vital for the church to instill religion into the youth while their brain is still malleable and easily exploitable. Religious videogames provide the perfect opportunity for this form of child abuse.
And I suppose Harry Potter is just fine?
I'm just saying...
Very well put, this not about indoctrination its about fun, I tend to use veggie tales as a good example while it may be soaked in religious therom its crazy fun.
Same for most anything else modernly theological, its the nut cases on both sides that think its written in blood and and to be taken in literally...
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