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Microsoft performs another round of Xbox Live account banning
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article published on 1 November, 2009
Microsoft has confirmed this weekend that the company has performed another round of Xbox Live account banning, killing the service for gamers using pirated copies of games.
"We have taken action against a small percentage of consoles that have been modified to play pirated game discs," said a Microsoft spokesperson, via IGN. "In line with our commitment to combat piracy and support safer ... [ read the full article ]
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CODgmrWAW
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1. November 2009 @ 01:54 |
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So does this mean all systems with any version of iXtreme will be banned with there next updates?
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1. November 2009 @ 02:59 |
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I love keeping my 360 offline. I play on-line on PC if I ever do (very few games, all legit of course). I don't need to hear idiots talking. I've seen my friend playing on Live, seems like there are more morons on there that I really do not need to get in contact with (I hate social networking). I also do not feel like forking over the $50 for a gold subscription with the risk of being banned (console is release model with Hitachi and 1.51 firmware; yes I can direct-boot wave 4 games so suck on that). I'll continue to play Rock Band, GH, etc with people I know.
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Amak
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1. November 2009 @ 03:38 |
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Originally posted by CODgmrWAW:
So does this mean all systems with any version of iXtreme will be banned with there next updates?
They're all potential targets, but not all of them will be banned. It seems that they flag modders and every few months or so ban some random ones.
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Ragnarok8
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1. November 2009 @ 04:32 |
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Don't really need live or online play that much, I've always had more fun LANing (or local offline/splitscreen in some rare cases) with friends.
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lxhotboy
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1. November 2009 @ 10:36 |
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I cant say anything negative about the people who play modded consoles b/c i have done it in the past on PS1 and PS2. To each his own. But i will say that those who get a game two weeks earlier than everyone else and then are stupid enough to go online playing a unreleased game is just asking for trouble. That like standing in the middle of a major interstate and expecting not to get hit.
Have a friend who was playing ultimate alliance 2, and the new madden online before it was released. Now.... he is going to have to buy another console b/c he got banned last week. Also his xbox was modded by a guy who works for microsoft so no one will be exempt. Unless they are playing offline.
Does anyone know if those who played with modded console still get to have wins posted in their ranking for that game. I got tekken 6 the first day it came out and the next day i went online and some guy had like 300+ wins already. I played all night and only had time to play about 50 matches so it should have been almost impossible for the guy to have 300 wins already. I did see a guy in second place ranking who had played about 140 matches but that was possible and i could have acheived it myself had i started playing the first day the game came out.
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LissenUp
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1. November 2009 @ 11:38 |
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Originally posted by tatsh:
I love keeping my 360 offline. I play on-line on PC if I ever do (very few games, all legit of course). I don't need to hear idiots talking. I've seen my friend playing on Live, seems like there are more morons on there that I really do not need to get in contact with (I hate social networking). I also do not feel like forking over the $50 for a gold subscription with the risk of being banned (console is release model with Hitachi and 1.51 firmware; yes I can direct-boot wave 4 games so suck on that). I'll continue to play Rock Band, GH, etc with people I know.
Your statement is moot and pointless! This article doesn't apply to you and you're not an XBox Live Sub and no one cares about whether you play XBox online or not. This article is for those who do play online.
As for the banning............GOOD. Anyone who mods a nice system like XBox and voids a warranty is foolish. Besides...........they are generally the same people who cheat online too. I ask you all, what fun is there in playing a game that you know you're going to win?
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Morreale
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1. November 2009 @ 11:41 |
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I hope I'm not banned... Last time I was on was on last Wednesday and that was just to talk to my friends while I played the PS3 lol
I always play verified games after they are released... I think it's dumb to play games before they're released because it's obvious enough that your console is modded and even more so if the game is not patched correctly... You don't know that until retail is released.
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warriorp
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1. November 2009 @ 12:33 |
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Originally posted by tatsh:
I love keeping my 360 offline. I play on-line on PC if I ever do (very few games, all legit of course). I don't need to hear idiots talking. I've seen my friend playing on Live, seems like there are more morons on there that I really do not need to get in contact with (I hate social networking). I also do not feel like forking over the $50 for a gold subscription with the risk of being banned (console is release model with Hitachi and 1.51 firmware; yes I can direct-boot wave 4 games so suck on that). I'll continue to play Rock Band, GH, etc with people I know.
As for the banning............GOOD. Anyone who mods a nice system like XBox and voids a warranty is foolish.
nah it deserves to be hacked. to many defects. a person shouldnt have to go through xclamping stuff just to play a game. the ps3 is better anyway.
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1. November 2009 @ 15:18 |
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2 years of having a modded box and still no ban for me. then again its not like im sitting on top of a giant rack of burnt games. though i do have the DVD-DLs to do that.
i only copy hard to find games, most of them are from gens passed. does anyone know how much a copy of Lunar 2 costs take a guess.
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junkedbri
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1. November 2009 @ 18:55 |
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So this is what happened. I turned my xBox on this past friday (October 30th) at about 9pm EST, and I had a terms of service violation. My console was banned from xBox live. It would still play games, just not online.
I got my xbox modded with the iXtreme about a month ago from a guy that's done a lot of my friends, the weird thing is I had never gotten around to burned games, and played only 2 of my purchased games (COD 4 and 5) online.
Anyways I had to buy a new xbox, lesson learned.
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1. November 2009 @ 21:12 |
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is it really worth it to risk going online playing copied games?
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Morreale
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1. November 2009 @ 21:22 |
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Originally posted by TBandit:
is it really worth it to risk going online playing copied games?
If anyone really cared about Live, they wouldn't mod their 360. I modded my 360 and I'm online all the time. I'm just not stupid with playing pre-released and modified games. If and when I do get banned, I really couldn't care less.
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360lifer
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1. November 2009 @ 21:35 |
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IMO, they are talking about people playing major releases early like ODST, Borderlands, MW2, and Forza 3. If they was banning people for just having modded machines, the number would be much higher and they'd probably do a better PR about it too.
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SKBvivid
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1. November 2009 @ 22:05 |
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i have my 360 modded with the latest 1.6xtreme and my games are directly burned from actual games. do i still need a stealth patch for my games?
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2. November 2009 @ 02:23 |
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Originally posted by tatsh:
I love keeping my 360 offline. I play on-line on PC if I ever do (very few games, all legit of course). I don't need to hear idiots talking. I've seen my friend playing on Live, seems like there are more morons on there that I really do not need to get in contact with (I hate social networking). I also do not feel like forking over the $50 for a gold subscription with the risk of being banned (console is release model with Hitachi and 1.51 firmware; yes I can direct-boot wave 4 games so suck on that). I'll continue to play Rock Band, GH, etc with people I know.
-The best part about this generation of systems is the online play. It is more than half of most new games. If you are not taking advantage of this, you are waisting a console. Granted, $50 a year to play games that you pay through the nose for is a bit much for me, that's one of the things that made be buy a PS3.
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Anyone who mods a nice system like XBox and voids a warranty is foolish.
-I can't say I agree with the "Nice System" part, but I certainly agree with the warranty part...I wouldn't mod my PS3 if it was possible, and the PS3 is more reliable than the 360.
Bottom Line: They ban memory cards that cannot be used in any kind of piracy...the only suprise about them banning modded consoles is that they don't do it more often and more drasticly (like banning consoles that are "modified" by use of a non-microsoft headset).
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chris4160
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2. November 2009 @ 03:26 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug :
-I can't say I agree with the "Nice System" part, ]but I certainly agree with the warranty part
Flashing the xbox 360 does not void the warranty if you do it correctly.
Originally posted by KillerBug :
the PS3 is more reliable than the 360.
And your proof that the ps3 is more reliable than the xbox 360 Jasper chipset is where???
Originally posted by KillerBug :
the only suprise about them banning modded consoles is that they don't do it more often and more drasticly (like banning consoles that are "modified" by use of a non-microsoft headset).
And microsoft would detect that how? They can't even detect most of the xbox 360 consoles that have been flashed.
Myself and a my friends survived this ban wave, although I don't think this will be the last ban wave.
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jookycola
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2. November 2009 @ 10:04 |
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So?
if you mod your X360 and are banned, is that only from pirated games? or a total blackout. Seems a little cruddy on Microsoft's part if you played one pirated game, but spend 90% of your time playing a game you bought.
I totally understand the idea of "one bean, ruins the whole burrito" approach. But shouldn't they instead find a way to make you verify that the game is genuine before you can log in instead of killing someones entire Live account? I can tell you if i had to buy another 360 because my $50 paid Live account was killed, they'd either owe me some money back or i'd just get a PS3 instead.
What they don't realize is, now is NOT the time to piss off their customers (Banning accounts, raising the cost of Live!, etc). Gamers have options now.
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timmaht
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2. November 2009 @ 13:58 |
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I wanted to correctly mod my 360 I bought on EBay and keep the warrenty valid (I had my g/f's hairdryer all ready to go). Low and behold I open the it and the warrenty sticker has 1/4th of it missing. It'll be interesting to see if the drive is flashed already when I get the probe in the mail this week.
Killing is bad and wrong, killing is Badong.
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xnmalletx
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2. November 2009 @ 15:09 |
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Originally posted by jookycola:
So?
if you mod your X360 and are banned, is that only from pirated games? or a total blackout. Seems a little cruddy on Microsoft's part if you played one pirated game, but spend 90% of your time playing a game you bought.
I totally understand the idea of "one bean, ruins the whole burrito" approach. But shouldn't they instead find a way to make you verify that the game is genuine before you can log in instead of killing someones entire Live account? I can tell you if i had to buy another 360 because my $50 paid Live account was killed, they'd either owe me some money back or i'd just get a PS3 instead.
What they don't realize is, now is NOT the time to piss off their customers (Banning accounts, raising the cost of Live!, etc). Gamers have options now.
Microsoft only bans the consoles for this not your account, and the raised cost of live is just a rumor.
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scum101
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2. November 2009 @ 15:26 |
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I got my xbox modded with the iXtreme about a month ago from a guy that's done a lot of my friends, the weird thing is I had never gotten around to burned games, and played only 2 of my purchased games (COD 4 and 5) online.
There we have it kids.. I know how they detect flashed consoles, but I'm not telling.. (trade secret.. and I promised somebody high up to never give out the contents of our discussion about detection methods) Lets put it like this.. it's nothing like everybody thinks.. There are 3 or 4 different approaches which are used in different parts of the system.. it's a good method and can actually be got around... but you need to get M$ involved for the get out to work.
It's got nothing to do with firmware version.. nothing at all.. these stealth firmwares and patches are smoke and mirrors.. I mean... HOW THE HELL can a firmware writer tell you it's safe when they don't know how the mods are detected in the first place?
Simple fact of the matter is this.. use a flashed console on their system and they will ban the console.. sooner or later. I think people can draw attention to themselves too, but that doesn't seem to be the primary detection method in every case.. of course the idiots with upstream developer only dashboards and a list of unreleased and out of region games are just asking for it...
M$ are sly.. they don't ban everybody at once, they never have, and there is a good reason why. If they did then the thousands all banned over the same weekend might put 2+2 together and hit the right answer.. banning in spurts and deliberately leaving people who don't run cheats or abuse the stats suits their purposes and keeps them in the good books of the people who don't play burns and don't cheat.
do we need to keep having this discussion? .. it's been going on and on and getting nowhere for years.
Oh.. no point asking me privately for a "nudge nudge.. wink wink" bit of info in private.. you can ask around the people I have known for years and they will confirm I haven't even told them.. I have dropped enough hints for them to get an idea how it all works, but not enough to be used as proof against me or anybody else. About all you will get from my pals is that I'm one of the few people who was in a position to know the info, that I have the contacts at M$ who were because of my position prepared to discuss methods with me, and that in all the years I have never betrayed the trust between myself and a M$ senior exec... You will also probably be told that I'm no friend of M$ but personal ethics are a strange beast... May not like the company, but that doesn't mean I can't respect privacy and trust between a M$ staff member and myself.
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lozerboy
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2. November 2009 @ 20:54 |
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Hello, I'm new and had a question. I have two systems, one out of the box the other flashed. I switch hard drives between the two. Any thoughts if I will be affected by the ban?
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chris4160
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3. November 2009 @ 00:50 |
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Originally posted by scum101:
It's got nothing to do with firmware version.. nothing at all.. these stealth firmwares and patches are smoke and mirrors.. I mean... HOW THE HELL can a firmware writer tell you it's safe when they don't know how the mods are detected in the first place?
You obviously have got not clue about xbox 360 modding. Try going on xbox live with a version of xtreme (not ixtreme) and play a backup that has not been ABGX verified. You WILL be banned next ban wave.
Originally posted by scum101:
M$ are sly.. they don't ban everybody at once, they never have, and there is a good reason why. If they did then the thousands all banned over the same weekend might put 2+2 together and hit the right answer.. banning in spurts and deliberately leaving people who don't run cheats or abuse the stats suits their purposes and keeps them in the good books of the people who don't play burns and don't cheat.
Ummm no, they don't ban everyone at once because they can not detect everyone. There are plenty of people who have had modded xbox's since the days of xtreme and are still not banned.
Also, microsoft does not ban consoles for "cheating" in games. The most they do is either an account ban, but usually only just banning them from the game they cheated on.
Originally posted by scum101:
Oh.. no point asking me privately for a "nudge nudge.. wink wink" bit of info in private.. you can ask around the people I have known for years and they will confirm I haven't even told them
You have not told anybody because you are lying:
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browny86
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4. November 2009 @ 18:36 |
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i got banned today and got to buy another xbox still going to get flashed stuff m/s
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Morreale
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4. November 2009 @ 19:23 |
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Originally posted by browny86:
i got banned today and got to buy another xbox still going to get flashed stuff m/s
My friend's did too, probably because of how I flashed his but I told him before I did it and he accepted the extra risk anyways...
Damn Hitachi drives...
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browny86
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4. November 2009 @ 19:47 |
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My friend's did too, probably because of how I flashed his but I told him before I did it and he accepted the extra risk anyways...
Damn Hitachi drives...
mine was benq and with the latest 1.61 just to let people know i dont play games early and the only game i played with the new firmware was tekken 6 ??????
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