Originally posted by Run4two:

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The Wolverine leak I believe actually helped the studios generate revenue in that there was so much free publicity. It still remains to be seen if the leak was intentional.

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Originally posted by LordRaxa:

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TPB is not to blame, its the uploaders. Even if they sue them, it wont stop the uploading, there are other sites to go to.

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Originally posted by canuckerz:

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Shouldn't something like this fall under double jeopardy?

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That's not really the case, its like saying drug sellers are not to blame since they don't grow it. Of course out of the 4 things it has in similarity (profit,distribution,real crime, real possible harm to society ) it has maybe 2, profit and distribution.

But these can be further diluted. Profit is the main thorn in torrents side to many sites are making money off of running a track and that IMO is wrong unless you shift to a true free market with those with the best way to make and sell on others ideas are the ones to make profit, such anarchy could be stabilized by people sing contracts with each other to not produce X for a fee, basically bribing off all non main outlets for the IP.

But there I go rambling like a maniac....

The 2nd is distribution of course but unlike physical or "premium" content it dose not do any direct damage to the market whats being traded amounts to nothing more than thought we can digitally edit.

So in the end follow the money, TPB existed on profit via donations and as such is liable for what they made off of someone else's stuff.

My point

If they were not making money off it they would not been a huge lumbering target.

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i bet if Google came out with its own torrent engine called Gorrent no body would bitch and sue Google. there are probably 5 laws Google has broken since i've come to afterdawn.

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Originally posted by IcyCool:

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Lol, but TPB doesn't -share- the content.

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i bet if Google came out with its own torrent engine called Gorrent no body would bitch and sue Google. there are probably 5 laws Google has broken since i've come to afterdawn.

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I think the argument here was that was all the Pirate Bay did. ie. Promote the pirating and illegal sharing of IP.
Google might even be able to get away with having a torrent related site because they could successfully argue that their core business model is indexing and searching; not the promotion of piracy. The torrent protocol is not illegal.

Google (Youtube) have been sued many times for IP violations. That's why it scans your music tracks on youtube and removes your audio.
The pirate bay simply sent a sarcastic email back to whoever asked them to remove their entry.

Now I'm not holier than thou, but i don't believe TBP went the right way to affect change to fair use IP law.
Establishing the torrent protocol as a force for good and not just for piracy would go along way to legitimising trackers and torrent indexing sites.

Demonoid for example has a lot of 'legal' material available.

Homosexuality used to be illegal. It didn't become legal by bumming people then sending them a sarcastic letters afterwards saying "so what, you probably liked it" It became legal because enough people said "hey that guy is alright, hes not sending sarcastic letters everywhere, so what if he likes bumming?"

I think torrents are a lot like homosexuals.

obviously, i have issues.

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Originally posted by varnull:

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That all happened when the lawyers and judges and more importantly the law makers realised what consenting adults choose to do in the privacy of their own homes can't possibly be a crime if it harms nobody.. See the similarity? I can't be a criminal for sharing or having something or doing something as long as I do no harm... i.e- selling it..

There is a better analogy here. I am given a dvd screener by a friend who works in a shop. It isn't technically their property but the owner has told them to "dispose" of it. They give it to me as a gift, but it's something I have no use for so after watching it I hand it on to somebody else.. maybe after taking a copy for myself. Perhaps I keep that copy, perhaps not.. that's my business. The stranger gets caught with it and accused of theft. Myself and the person in the shop go to their defence and let it be known where it came from and that it was for disposal by whatever means. Being environmentalists we didn't want to send a perfectly usable item to the dump and into a landfill so we handed it on to somebody who may enjoy it. Case dismissed..

There is filesharing for no profit or gain.. except a gain to the planet. Remewmber kids.. every day millions of unsold dvd's and cd's in nice oil product packaging hits landfills everywhere because people refuse to pay even £1 for them in bargain bins.. moral of the story.. Overproduction is the crime.. compounded with greed it's immoral...

Pirates pay for nothing.. never have and never will. Try to force us and we will either make our own or find other ways to take.. simple as.

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Originally posted by varnull:

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I have only twice donated to a tracker. That was for initial setup costs not day to day running. Is it wrong to make money from google ads and pay per click? Afterdawn does...

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