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They all come with a three-year limited warranty. That's also the expected life of the drives.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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When SDD is less than 40 cents a GB I will start caring about it...

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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When SDD is less than 40 cents a GB I will start caring about it...

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I second that. This is like the 15inch OLED televisions, just to expensive for what they have to offer.

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Originally posted by Ryoohki:

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if you are constantly writing information to the drive it will become a paperweight in short order. technology enthusiasts, gamers and road warriors would all stay far far away from these types of drives since they would be constantly writing new data onto them and they are too expensive and the space is much more limited

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Originally posted by scum101:

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anybody else got a 120Mb hdd dated 1988?.. I have .. and it works a treat every boot in my 8088 (loads minix.. nice old skool os there)

none of this "new" technology is worth shit.. 1tb drives that are lucky to see out 12 monts.. sata t the shoddiest built crap I hve seen yet in computing hardware..

get with the program.. start hoarding them 300mb ide drives and motherboards that support ide tech before they turn into gold dust .. (there are reasons why the software crapware writers want you to update.. bios locking and such like) because people like me are buying them rock bottom prices right now.. because we KNOW they work and will last..

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Originally posted by beanos66:

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built in obsolesence is a very succesful marketing tool,TV's used to be built like tanks but now if they last three years past the warranty expiration you're lucky. nobody will design a battery to last 50 years because it will destroy the market. as for hard drives I bought 3 seagate external harddrives that seemed to be designed to fail (pic chip got corrupted on all 3)

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anybody else got a 120Mb hdd dated 1988?.. I have .. and it works a treat every boot in my 8088 (loads minix.. nice old skool os there)

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Originally posted by Ryoohki:

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the problem with ssd tech is that there are only so many times a block can be written to. the only way to maximize use of the drive is to write to different memory blocks but eventually they all will fail. it also makes the drive less secure. if you write data to the drive and then decide to encrypt it, the encrypted data will most likely not be saved to the same blocks of memory. this would leave the data in its original location and unencrypted. i believe that is why they are saying the drive will last only around 3 years. after so many write cycles that particular block of memory would fail and become unusable.

the only benefit of ssd would be long-term storage. if you plan on archiving information on them i am sure they would last a very long time. if you are constantly writing information to the drive it will become a paperweight in short order. technology enthusiasts, gamers and road warriors would all stay far far away from these types of drives since they would be constantly writing new data onto them and they are too expensive and the space is much more limited. i don't know too many regular people who would pay 1k in this day and age for a 256GB drive. the military only uses ssd because they can take more of a beating out in the field, which is more important than getting the best capacity for their money. i seriously doubt ssd will ever become widely adopted until the prices become a lot lower and their lifespans greatly increase.

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Originally posted by vurbal:

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On the subject of drive quality, in my experience it depends first and foremost on what the market for the product is. One of the reasons SCSI drives tend to be more reliable is that they're designed specifically to cater to business customers. As a general rule businesses are more likely to pay for reliability and consumers are more likely to pay for bigger, faster and more.

As far as consumer drives go, in my experience retail Western Digital drives are the most reliable as a brand. Over the last 6 or 8 years I've seen lots of Seagate drives, ranging from 40GB PATA to 500GB SATA, fail within the first year and several more within the first 18 months. In the same period I've seen only 1 Western Digital retail drive fail within a year and none between a year and 18 months. Their OEM drives, on the other hand, have given me nothing but problems.

Keep in mind I've dealt with many more WD drives than any other brand, so the samples aren't exactly equivalent. But I've also seen fewer WD failures (including OEM drives) than Seagate failures.

At the end of the day, using spinning disks for storage is outdated and needs to go away. No matter how good the quality, the limitations inherent in a mechanical device are unacceptable given our ever expanding storage needs.

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Originally posted by vurbal:

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On the subject of drive quality, in my experience it depends first and foremost on what the market for the product is. One of the reasons SCSI drives tend to be more reliable is that they're designed specifically to cater to business customers. As a general rule businesses are more likely to pay for reliability and consumers are more likely to pay for bigger, faster and more.

As far as consumer drives go, in my experience retail Western Digital drives are the most reliable as a brand. Over the last 6 or 8 years I've seen lots of Seagate drives, ranging from 40GB PATA to 500GB SATA, fail within the first year and several more within the first 18 months. In the same period I've seen only 1 Western Digital retail drive fail within a year and none between a year and 18 months. Their OEM drives, on the other hand, have given me nothing but problems.

Keep in mind I've dealt with many more WD drives than any other brand, so the samples aren't exactly equivalent. But I've also seen fewer WD failures (including OEM drives) than Seagate failures.

At the end of the day, using spinning disks for storage is outdated and needs to go away. No matter how good the quality, the limitations inherent in a mechanical device are unacceptable given our ever expanding storage needs.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Well we will have mechanical hard drives until chips can do at least 30% of their write cycles. Then by then chip based storage will be good enough to use.

What the current write cycle comparasion 1-5% tops? Chips storage has a long way to go...

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Originally posted by vurbal:

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Well we will have mechanical hard drives until chips can do at least 30% of their write cycles. Then by then chip based storage will be good enough to use.

What the current write cycle comparasion 1-5% tops? Chips storage has a long way to go...

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Absolutely. But I think getting SSD drives into the hands of more consumers is one way to speed up the development cycle and willingness of manufacturers to spend money advancing the technology. I won't be supporting it personally right now. I'm not going to spend $1000 on an entire computer, let alone a 256GB hard drive. But hopefully someone will.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Well we will have mechanical hard drives until chips can do at least 30% of their write cycles. Then by then chip based storage will be good enough to use.

What the current write cycle comparasion 1-5% tops? Chips storage has a long way to go...

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Absolutely. But I think getting SSD drives into the hands of more consumers is one way to speed up the development cycle and willingness of manufacturers to spend money advancing the technology. I won't be supporting it personally right now. I'm not going to spend $1000 on an entire computer, let alone a 256GB hard drive. But hopefully someone will.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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Well we will have mechanical hard drives until chips can do at least 30% of their write cycles. Then by then chip based storage will be good enough to use.

What the current write cycle comparasion 1-5% tops? Chips storage has a long way to go...

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Absolutely. But I think getting SSD drives into the hands of more consumers is one way to speed up the development cycle and willingness of manufacturers to spend money advancing the technology. I won't be supporting it personally right now. I'm not going to spend $1000 on an entire computer, let alone a 256GB hard drive. But hopefully someone will.

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Very right, mechanical HDD's are definitely becoming ancient tech, and the move to solid state solutions is the future, but right now the technology just simply isn't up to a reliable state as of yet. New tech is always slow to develop and pricey at the beginning, but someone needs to work out the kinks and at least they're trying to do so. They have to sell this hobbled tech still because of the simple fact they need to have some money produced from it to continue the development. So I tip my hat to those that can afford, and DO purchase these high priced and somewhat unreliable devices, because without them most new devices would never hit the shelves later on for the rest of us.
I've had more HDD's than I can count, and I remember when they were "new" and unreliable tech as well, but they hit their stride after awhile too. Since 1996 I've had only 1 HDD fail (out of over 20) and most are WD's, very reliable IMO.
Someone soon will solve the SSD block write problem and then the tech can begin moving into mainstream usage, prices will drop, and people will adopt it more readily...just takes time with these things is all.

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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:

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SDD is doing all that as CD and DVD recorders as BR recorders(just started to use mine I love it) and LCD(just got a 24inch HD WS LCD monitor as well LOL).

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