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Starview 4 The Box Super USB - Invalid Box?
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da_mage
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8. July 2009 @ 10:33 |
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Hi guys,
Had the Super USB running fine (latest N*L/IRE firmware), until lastnight when the following error appeared on-screen "Warning - this is an invalid box!". Pretty much ignored the message to be honest and all was fine... until I went to switch the unit back on the next day - totally dead!
There's no image on screen, no digits on the front display, but the digital audio red light comes on, indicating there's power getting to it.
After a little research, it appears this seems to be a problem with clone boxes, so I checked to see if the box was a clone model (which I was assured it wasn't when I bought it). Sure enough it doesn't seem to be a clone, as it doesn't have a silver heat sink on the processor. I have another Super USB from the same supplier and it's fine at the minute.
Any suggestions or is it a doorstop?
Thanks in advance :-)
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8. July 2009 @ 10:50 |
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Yes I have seen one or two of these now. Its not dead as you will see the light coming from the S/PDIF socket on the back of the box. However the bootloader has been killed by the latest firmware so it wont boot up.
I know its not a clone but it is probably from one of the earliest SV4 batch. You will see that the Jtag connector on the main board is similar to a clone but all other signs indicate a genuine model.
The Max232 will not fix it as that is only used to bypass the USB after a bad flash. So a Jtag will have to be looked at, or maybe adapt the Max232? But even after jtagging it there is no clonesafe firmware for the SV4 and as a result it wont work in Ireland.
TBH they didnt do their homework when introducing the small bit of script that kills the clones. They are now killing early genuine models also.
I know business has to be protected but now even at the cost of killing genuine boxes is taking it a bit too far IMO. So lets hope there is not a flood of these soon.
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8. July 2009 @ 10:54 |
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Great post scouser, why does nothing surprise me anymore with starview
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da_mage
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8. July 2009 @ 10:55 |
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Hi sc0user,
Thanks for the detailed reply.
Guess it's now a doorstop, just hoping the other Starview 4 I have doesn't follow suit!
Pretty crappy that Starview are killing their own genuine products though isn't it?
Thanks again!
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8. July 2009 @ 11:03 |
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@ Mickah, TBH I cannot see how they can rectify a complete mess like this now. I forecast a lot of angry people soon enough.
@da_mage, its not totally dead but its as good as until they do as said. I dont think its up to us or anyone else to even attempt to come up with a remedy this time around as the cause is quite obvious.
How long did you have the box for?
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da_mage
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8. July 2009 @ 11:26 |
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Bought two of them last December, sc0user. Emailed the supplier just to get their thoughts - no responce as of yet and I'm not holding my breath to be honest!
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8. July 2009 @ 11:27 |
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One of my relatives had one for 2 days, 2 DAYS, and it died. I didn't know what happened it but now I do it was starviews fault :(
EDIT: Same problem as above red light on the back works but no bootloader (no front lights = no boot).
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8. July 2009 @ 11:36 |
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Originally posted by da_mage:
Bought two of them last December, sc0user. Emailed the supplier just to get their thoughts - no responce as of yet and I'm not holding my breath to be honest!
TBH some of the suppliers will be surprised also as they were sold genuine boxes. The fault lies between them and the manufacturers/coders on this one.
Who was your supplier?
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8. July 2009 @ 11:38 |
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Originally posted by steo2k8:
One of my relatives had one for 2 days, 2 DAYS, and it died. I didn't know what happened it but now I do it was starviews fault :(
EDIT: Same problem as above red light on the back works but no bootloader (no front lights = no boot).
Was it a clone or genuine model Steo? The clone box will have a silver heatsink, (as well as numerous other differences), on the CPU.
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8. July 2009 @ 11:42 |
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I checked that and it looks genuine, no heatsink and that blue stuff was there, black wires at the back. I should look again if I can find the pictures in case something's odd.
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XBOX360 Falcon console with Lite-On 74850C
PS3 80gb phat model with 120gb hdd
PS3 60gb model
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da_mage
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8. July 2009 @ 11:45 |
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Originally posted by sc0user
TBH some of the suppliers will be surprised also as they were sold genuine boxes. The fault lies between them and the manufacturers/coders on this one.
Who was your supplier?[/quote:
Bought them from an online company called 'cablebox4u' - thought they were very good to deal with when I bought the items.
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8. July 2009 @ 11:49 |
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Looks like there will be more of these genuine boxes going down then :( So what do you call a genuine box that is in fact a clone?
I am one of many now considering the merits of this particular box.
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8. July 2009 @ 11:51 |
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clonuine <-- LOL
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TheBish
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8. July 2009 @ 16:31 |
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For those interested, there is a jtag header on-board (not the RS232 one) and some comms can be achieved with the Conexant ARM processor, but so far I've not been able to get full jtag access working.
Without the right kit (which I'm too tight to buy) it's difficult to get full jtag control of the processor. There's limited software around (in the bit of searching I've done) to get reliable jtag control of that processor. As I don't really have a need for it at present, I've not looked at it for some months. I may have to write my own software & that takes time.
Maybe I'll take another look at some point, but I'm busy playing with other stuff right now.
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akcum
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9. July 2009 @ 19:27 |
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Hi All
wonder if anyone can give me some help. I have a starview usb 4 box that is working perfectly in dublin on N*L, Took it to wexford with me and tried it on cho*us and nothing????? very confused
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9. July 2009 @ 22:42 |
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Originally posted by TheBish:
For those interested, there is a jtag header on-board (not the RS232 one) and some comms can be achieved with the Conexant ARM processor, but so far I've not been able to get full jtag access working.
Without the right kit (which I'm too tight to buy) it's difficult to get full jtag control of the processor. There's limited software around (in the bit of searching I've done) to get reliable jtag control of that processor. As I don't really have a need for it at present, I've not looked at it for some months. I may have to write my own software & that takes time.
Maybe I'll take another look at some point, but I'm busy playing with other stuff right now.
keep us posted with any software you come up with, its nice to know some 1 is trying to help keep us alive
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9. July 2009 @ 23:19 |
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@akcum It's a different system. You will probably have to manually scan on all the different frequencies to get all channels.
It's on this site elsewhere how to do so. Have a search.
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akcum
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10. July 2009 @ 21:47 |
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Thanks Mooley I will have a look and give it a go
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tony_i
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11. July 2009 @ 02:41 |
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bassliner
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16. July 2009 @ 08:49 |
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Been reading this forum for the last two years without needing to register as i found the info i needed by searching through the various threads to solve problems.
But after reading this thread i had to register and ask couple questions regarding the Starview Super USB ''invalid box '' :(
Only have mine a few days and got the error ,switched it off and of course now it will not turn on .
Had used the correct firmware to flash it and it is a genuine box.
My friend has one,same delivery day and company , and was wondering if he is to receive the same message,would it help to flash it again whilst it is still operational ?(told him not to turn it off or try and reset to factory default )
Would the use of the a USB stick for recording ,pausing have affected mine in any way at all to cause the error ''inavild box '' even though it is a function of the box i having am having doubts about this feature and that it might of affected it somehow.
Even though i only have it couple of days i was recording alot and watching jpegs etc and friend has not used a USB stick in it yet for them functions.
If i send mine back to company, will they get it back working in England as Scouser suggested about the Max232 or jtagging it ,and why would it work in England and not here ?( maybe i am getting lost in this one !!)
If the company is any way decent ,what would the chances be of a replacement from other peoples experience in similar kind of situations ?( thinking Kryptview if possible )
very písséd off box owner :(
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16. July 2009 @ 08:58 |
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Its a supplier issue see if they will replace the box under warranty for you, as you said if they are decent they will. The problem is that earlier models are been killed by the clone killing firmware, obviously this wasn't looked at when the firmware was introduced.
The firmware makes a number of checks and then if it finds/ or doesn't find certain things then bye bye bootlader. If you see the same message constantly flashing during channel change my only advice is never turn the power off. You just put it in standby, if you unplug it or are unfortunate enough to have a power failure it wont come back on.
As TheBish said above there is a Jtag header on the board. I have also looked into the type of Jtag and application needed, but its up to the supplier to provide the Jtag information. No one should be forced down this route if they have a genuine box.
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da_mage
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16. July 2009 @ 10:57 |
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Just updating to say I never did hear anything back from the supplier I bought the Super USB's from 'cablebox4u.co.uk' following a few emails asking for advice, so suffice to say I won't be using them again when I decide to purchase a Kryptview.
From what I've been reading, suppliers don't want to know or get involved regarding this Starview problem which is a real shame. IIRC there was a 1 year warranty on my Starviews, but not sure how the policy works if I loaded firmware on there myself - then again the firmware releases are offical Starview releases aren't they?
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16. July 2009 @ 11:05 |
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early ones were, but later ones were done by other sources, ya see these things are tricky at the best of times when it comes to warranty etc, what constitutes a breach of warranty or what invalidates a warranty, because the nature of the beast and its use, anything could be thrown at you as an excuse, for example, they can say "well I sold it FTA" its what you put on it that broke it etc etc etc. its a bloody mire,
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16. July 2009 @ 11:11 |
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Just put the FTA only firmware back on it.
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16. July 2009 @ 11:14 |
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yep, ya could do that alrite, but would the error code not give them game away perhaps? that you tried to flash it or was flashed? just wondering
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