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Butterfly Effect Revisited
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kd6tas
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12. August 2004 @ 13:42 |
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(This is a repost of a message I wrote to the old
thread. That thread died off on me.)
I've had a similar problem.
Can't rip Butterfly Effect due to read errors.
Shrink can't complete the initial analysis due
to read errors. DVD Decrypter finds read errors
in key files. I've tried 3 different copies--all
do the same thing. I can watch the movie, but can't
rip it. The best I've been able to do is use
DVD Decrypter to rip 4 of the 5 .VOB files that
make up the theatrical version. The fifth .vob
file has nothing but credits, so I don't really
need it. All 3 disks that I've tried were 2 sided
rather than the 2 disk set.
I need to find an
easy way to make a DVD out of them that will play
on a set-top DVD player. I have Nero 6, Pinnacle
Instant CD/DVD Version 8, DVD Shrink 3.2, and DVD
Decrypter 3.2.3.0 installed as well as other DVD
copying/authoring titles that are not installed.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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12. August 2004 @ 22:11 |
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I've tried 3 different copies--all
do the same thing.
Huh? What do you mean you've tried 3 different copies? Your trying to rip the copies?
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321sucker
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13. August 2004 @ 07:24 |
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That particular disk(movie) may have mastering errors.
Return it and get another copy.
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kd6tas
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13. August 2004 @ 07:59 |
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Huh? What do you mean you've tried 3 different copies? Your trying to rip the copies?
It's a store-bought disk (I guess in this context it
would be called an original) from a rental place.
When I tell one of the underpaid drones that works in
the place that the disk didn't work to my satisfaction
they give me another one and tell me that exchanging
it is my only option. That's why I've tried this 3
times.
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kd6tas
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13. August 2004 @ 09:34 |
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That particular disk(movie) may have mastering errors. Return it and get another copy.
I agree about the mastering errors.
The problem is that I'm dealing with a rental place.
After 3 attempts I'm getting the impression that all
of their Butterfly Effect disks have mastering
errors--at least all of the 2-sided ones. At this
point I don't really want to continue to exchange
the 2-sided ones. When I return this one I'll look
for the 2-disk set version; if they have one I'll
try it, if not I'll just have to work with what I
have (the 4 .VOB theatrical version files that I
was able to rip from the first disk that I tried).
I'd like to have the directors cut version, but it's
starting to become more trouble than it's worth.
Also, the manager is a relatively young Asian guy
who is probably computer literate to the point where
he knows or will eventually figure out what I'm
trying to do. I'm on his radar because I raised a
stink about their exchange-only policy. After I
found out that the second disk had the same kind of
problem as the first I asked about other options
(credit my account, exchange for another title, etc.)
and found out that exchanging for the same title is
my only option (I'm in California and the name of
the rental place is Blockbuster). That's why I made
a third attempt using a third disk from the same
place.
That brings me to my other question:
What's a good way to make the .VOB files into a DVD]
that will play on most any set-top (read: stand-alone
not PC-based) DVD player? I don't have a lot of
experience with DVD authoring software. I fiddled
around with the "Expression" part of the Pinnacle
Instant CD/DVD software. It wasn't intuitive at all
and it didn't "instantly" (as the name of the soft-
ware package implies) do what I want, so I decided
to do some 'net based research to see if others have
had the same problem and if so what they did about it.
That's what brings me here. There was an old thread
about this that popped up at the top of a Google
search. The solution in that thread was that the guy
asking the question found someone with an error-free
version that he could copy. Unless the rental place
has a 2-disk set version (assuming their copies of
that version don't have mastering errors), that
solution won't work for me (per Blockbuster's policy
my rental fee is not refundable, so starting the
process over at another place means more money out-
of-pocket--which in my opinion will definitely put
this into the "not worth it" catagory). I tried
Nero as well. It acted like it was going to do what
I wanted, but the resulting DVD was merely a file
dump (a copy of the .VOB files without the necessary
accessory files) that obviously wouldn't play in a
set-top DVD player. This may sound stupid and
selfish, but I'm surprised that these software
packages don't have simple programs that will create
the basic accessory files needed to turn .VOB or .mpg
files into a set-top box readable DVD intuitively.
I'm also surprised that there isn't a small freeware
or shareware program available that will do it. On
the other hand I'm not an expert at this so I'm
hoping I'm wrong and that someone who reads this
will suggest a software title or process using the
software I have installed that will work.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions, and thanks
to all who read this for taking the time to do so.
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321sucker
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13. August 2004 @ 10:10 |
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Most of desktop comptibilty issues are related to the brand of blank media being used.
I have tried several different media brands, Khypermedia,generic no name, verbatum, memorex,fuji and last but not least Ridata. For the buck Ridata wins hands down. It's compatible with the majority of dvd players and has excellent good vs bad media ratio. I mean that I've purchase over 1000 Ridata and have had 1 bad disk out of that 1000. My dvd burner immediatly recognized that the disk was bad. I use Liteon 451-s with hacked firmware updraging the liteon to a 851s. ANd a NEC 2500a with hacked firmware ver 1.07 making my NEC a DL burner and with the riplock removed. Liteons dont have ripping limitations as most other drives do.
My point being, changing media brands should resolve your playback issues.
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kyle2k4
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13. August 2004 @ 10:16 |
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playback problems due to bad media i can understand...but can you have problems burning to media that your burner just doesn't agree with??
Compaq Presario AMD 64 3000+ notebook @ 1.79ghz, 512MB DDR, 60GB hd, LiteOn 811SX (8x) ext burner, Dell 1905 FP 19" flat panel...
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321sucker
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13. August 2004 @ 10:43 |
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Liteons will burn to just about anything, but the quality of the media can most definately play a part in the success of that burn.
Download dvdinfo pro and scan your burnt disk with this tool. Its a valuable info tool.
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kd6tas
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13. August 2004 @ 10:52 |
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Most of desktop comptibilty issues are related to the brand of blank media being used.
I have tried several different media brands, Khypermedia,generic no name, verbatum, memorex,fuji and last but not least Ridata. For the buck Ridata wins hands down. It's compatible with the majority of dvd players and has excellent good vs bad media ratio. I mean that I've purchase over 1000 Ridata and have had 1 bad disk out of that 1000. My dvd burner immediatly recognized that the disk was bad. I use Liteon 451-s with hacked firmware updraging the liteon to a 851s. ANd a NEC 2500a with hacked firmware ver 1.07 making my NEC a DL burner and with the riplock removed. Liteons dont have ripping limitations as most other drives do.
My point being, changing media brands should resolve your playback issues.
Thanks for the info.
However, my problem isn't a hardware or blank media
problem. It's a ripping problem. The original
can't be ripped due to read errors in key files.
The other problem/question is how to easily make
.VOB files into a DVD that will play in a set-top
DVD player. Again, it's not a question of
hardware or blank media, but a question (or request
for suggestions/opinions) about authoring software.
Thanks again.
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XtraCrisp
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13. August 2004 @ 11:53 |
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I had a similar problem w/ the Director's Cut side of the disk. DVDShrink would get errors. I even tried DVD Decrypter but that didn't work either.
HOWEVER... I had NO PROBLEMS with Theatrical Version side. Copied it and watched the copy so I know it worked.
I only do basic DVD ripping and am not a pro like some of the people on this forum, but I don't think it's a mastering issue or an intentional thing on the part of the video company. Is it possible (although unlikely) that these programs are getting redundancy errors because some of the menus on the movie link to the other side of the disc (ie "please flip disc now to see...")??? Perhaps the decrypter is almost reading it like a broken link, if you will, and just doesn't know where to go from there???
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ScubaPete
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13. August 2004 @ 12:31 |
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There is software out there that does a pretty decent job of reading that which doesn't want to be read -
DVD X Rescue is one such proggy. It is part of DVD XCopy Platinum or can be had separately. a bit "O" "Googling" should result in a decent price -
cheers,
Pete
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XtraCrisp
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13. August 2004 @ 12:35 |
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That's twice in 15 minutes that Pete has helped this newbie. :) Thanks Pete! I don't know why I didn't think to try that myself.
Random question: Anyone notice that when they rip DVDs from certain companys (20th Century Fox being one of them) there are screens or snippets which you never see. I think Universal always shows Billy Elliot jumping in front of the Universal logo and I just found on The Abyss: Special Edition a few secs of footage of flowers that have nothing to do with the menus or movie. Almost as if these are little fraud detections, almost like watermarks. Any ideas?? Just curious.
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kd6tas
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13. August 2004 @ 13:05 |
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I only do basic DVD ripping and am not a pro like some of the people on this forum, but I don't think it's a mastering issue or an intentional thing on the part of the video company. Is it possible (although unlikely) that these programs are getting redundancy errors because some of the menus on the movie link to the other side of the disc (ie "please flip disc now to see...")??? Perhaps the decrypter is almost reading it like a broken link, if you will, and just doesn't know where to go from there???
I agree that the reason for what is going on is
likely to be something like what you are describing.
This is by far the most elaborate DVD I've run into.
All of this last one plays perfectly on a set-top
DVD player but doesn't work worth a s**t in a PC.
The theatrical version side nearly locks the system
as soon as it is inserted. On the directors cut side
I can rip all but the forth (of 5) .VOB files that
make up the main movie. To have a complete version
of the directors cut I need the forth .VOB file.
If I use the InterActual viewer software that is
included on the original, the directors cut side
will play on the PC (including the forth .VOB file
that every other piece of software says has un-
recoverable read errors). If an engineer was able
to analyze and harness this problem, it could be
the makings of the next generation of DVD copyright
protection schemes.
I've basically given up on trying to rip it and am
now concentrating on turning the theatrical version
.VOB files that I managed to rip from an earlier
attempt into a set-top box capable DVD. So far
that's turning out to be a pain in the ass too.
I don't know whether a discussion of that is
appropriate for this forum or is better taken to
the advanced forum.
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XtraCrisp
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13. August 2004 @ 13:16 |
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I'll tell you exactly what I did. I use AnyDVD along w/ DVDShrink to rip the DVD and Nero to burn it. Again, no problem with the theatrical version. The Director's Cut would lock up at near the end of the process. I don't think I've tried to watch the movie for more than a few seconds in my PC, but I know it works on a set top player.
As an aside... I've run into a few DVDs that might have had minor scratches and DVDShrink would get 'cycle redundancy error' but when I used DVD Decrypt and copied it to my HD before shriking it, it would solve the problem.
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kd6tas
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13. August 2004 @ 13:18 |
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There is software out there that does a pretty decent job of reading that which doesn't want to be read -
DVD X Rescue is one such proggy. It is part of DVD XCopy Platinum or can be had separately. a bit "O" "Googling" should result in a decent price -
Thanks for the suggestion.
With the first original I went through the phase of
thinking that the disk itself was damaged because it
has some issues when playing on a set top box.
I polished it to the point where that wasn't an
issue, yet it acted exactly the same when trying to
rip it. DVD Decrypter will attempt to re-read a
sector as many times as you're willing to press the
"retry" button. I went through that (hundreds or
re-read attempts) as well as letting it skip read
errors. Skipping read errors results in corrupted
.VOB files that hang the player. I'm not absolutely
sure, but I believe that the type of software you
suggest would act similarly to DVD Decrypter.
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kd6tas
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13. August 2004 @ 13:29 |
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Random question: Anyone notice that when they rip DVDs from certain companys (20th Century Fox being one of them) there are screens or snippets which you never see. I think Universal always shows Billy Elliot jumping in front of the Universal logo and I just found on The Abyss: Special Edition a few secs of footage of flowers that have nothing to do with the menus or movie. Almost as if these are little fraud detections, almost like watermarks. Any ideas?? Just curious.
I'm not absolutely sure, but I think I've seen things
like that. To minimize compression and even with
DVD-5 disks I use settings that minimize the pre-movie
scenes. If you're using DVD Shrink and have the
"remove prohibited user operations" box checked, that
might be a reason why some of those items are missing.
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