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burning copy protected dvds
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14. September 2004 @ 15:33 |
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Now, now, MrsE, I must confess now I am offended. After all, Did I go to the trouble of looking up that URL and posting it just so it could get lost in Pete's volumes and now you won't A)see it or B)can't click on it because you printed it.
That is my own personal store with my own personal choices at great prices, the best on the net! I try to share my years of experience only to be ignored because Scuba cried a little.
Thanx a lot, I hope you two are very happy together. ;)
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15. September 2004 @ 02:33 |
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THANK YOU SCUBA PETE, you are the man, I just recently built a new pc and installed an LG 12x triple format dual layer DVD writer and with your suggestions of DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink as software of choice along with your guides, I have just burnt my first DVD movie in just under 45 mins (perfect burn). Keep up the good work...
Cheers,
Another satisfied customer :)
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15. September 2004 @ 12:26 |
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Sorry Big Orange... :( I will go back to the link in the email. I am not caught up with my work yet but... perhaps after my stupid trip to circuit city to figure oit the deal with this new camcorder I will be in a state of mind to read and follow directions! :)
Oh, and BTW GO HUSKERS!!!!
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I appreciate all of you! :)
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15. September 2004 @ 15:21 |
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Dear, dear MrsE, I have the utmost faith in you -
(Heh, heh and in my guides :)
You'll do just fine AND I don't permit "Freakin' out" in my classrooms :)
Just take your time and sip your "toddy" slowly -
I believe in the power of alcohol (and Valiums).
Remember the correct dosage, 1 drink for you and a Valium for each student and your day will just sail by :P)
Cheers,
S.D.
Cheers
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15. September 2004 @ 16:25 |
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hi, guys!!
i am a newbie also but scubapete's instructions were great and i did a pretty good job of backing up my DVDs. however, i have run into a problem. one of the DVDs that i am backing up is a 170minute long classic and every time i try to shrink it, i get an error. i take it that it's because it's too large to fit on one disk. what i want to do is put half of the movie on one disk and half on another disk. can i do that using dvdshrink??? thanks guys
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15. September 2004 @ 17:24 |
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All pay homage to the all knowing and helpful scubapete. I followed his how to guides word for word and am now very happily backing up DVD's with my new Pioneer DVR-108. I only wish I had followed his advice earlier when I purchased the DVD X-Copy Platinum version several months before all the hoople over the ripper version. oh well, I suppose we all have something to learn. We should all be thankful for resources like this board.
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15. September 2004 @ 19:27 |
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Hi I'm a n00b to the site. Scuba you rock, and I deeply appreciate your great guides. I do have some problems though. First off I have a Dell and I believe my dvd burner to support both + an -. The DVDs I'm using are DVD-R Comp USA brand. 4.7 GB 120 mins. The first dvd I burned as a test I used a DVD+RW for a concert. It played perfectly on my non-computer dvd player. Thinking I had it down now I burned a movie. I was able to open it up and play it on my computer, but not on my non-computer dvd player. I've produced three coasters and don't think I need any more. I usually spill my beer anyway, but I digress. Since my knowledge base for this subject comes completely from this site and some helpful customer at Comp USA, I'm pretty much in the dark. The guy I met at Comp USA told me that DVD-Rs work better to be able to be played on a normal dvd burner not just computers. So basically my end goal is to be able to watch my burned dvds on my tellie. I'm looking forward to your help. Thanks again for all you do.
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The DVDs I'm using are DVD-R Comp USA brand. 4.7 GB 120 mins
Steeeeerrrrrrrrrrrike one!!!
If you read around, not to many mentions on Comp USA brand media :)
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The guy I met at Comp USA told me that DVD-Rs work better to be able to be played on a normal dvd burner not just computers.
Steeeeerrrrrrrrrrike two!!!
(IMO) That's not true ... I mainly use +R's, only burnerd one -R. Best thing to do is check your standalones compatibility. See which media works best with your player.
http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers
BTW, what was the brand of the RW? I'm thinking your doing everything right, except for your media. Try branded Verbatim or go online and buy some Ritek's. As far as retail ... I buy Verbatim and TDK. I don't buy memorex or sony.
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15. September 2004 @ 20:21 |
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Hi tyeshab04,
Exactly what error are you getting ?
What version of DVD Shrink are you using ?
There are way a few things we can do to get you where you wish to go, i.e. We can always edit a bit and use "custom" compression to compresss your DVD a bit more and we can even run it through DVD Shrink twice.
It's not time to give up just quite yet :)
Get back to me with exactly what you've done so far -
Cheers,
"P"
jkghome, hey there Buddy -
Not to worry, a-way back, 3 thousand years ago, I bought DVD XCopy (soo far back, they didn't even know what to charge for it) I paid $69.00(USD), a week later it was $79.00, then a month later, $99.00 and that's how it went - Yes, I have Platinum too BUT we do have things to help out like a FREE ripper for the rip-free versions and a proggy to get rid of the 321 splash-screen at the start of the copy, neat things like that -
Let me know what you need :)
Cheers,
"P"
Hi jwhyrock,
Not to worry there good guy -
You're just using really crappy media - we need to move uptown to a better quality of media :)
Memorex as an excellent example as media goes, figures as high as 50% coasters have been reported (One member bought a stack of 50 and got 23 good burns.), not what I would call an impressive record. There are 4 different companies that manufacture Memorex BTW and product quality varies widely as you might imagine. Easy to see now why the quality of a big-named company can't be trusted - " Who's making your Memorex tonight ?"
Is it just Memorex ? No ! I just used Memorex as an example., Princo, Orange Pack, Great AZO and most "store" discs aren't all that suitable as a DVD backup media - that's why we are specific in the type of media we are recommending.
1. * Cheap media freezes, skips, pixelats and may refuse to be recognized :-(
Besides "Freezing", "skips" and pixelations, many times you'll get a "Cyclic Redundancy error" or an "I/O error". This message can mean that your discs are scratched or dirty, it can also mean that your burner won't accept your "cheap" media :-(
Another problem which "pops up" is a "*Power Calibration Error". This can stop you right in your tracks and most often is caused by, Yep, you guessed it, inexpensive media. *A "Power Calibration Error" can also be attributed to the Optical Components of a DVD Writer, though this isn't usually the case. Trying to shut down your software and ejecting your DVD then restarting your program and re-inserting the same media recently cleaned has been known to help.
Inexpensive media or even average media is great for text, Data, Spreadsheets, .Jpg and .Gif pictures and is good even for MP3 music BUT for DVD backups - BLAaaaaaT! It SUCKTH in an extremely Big-th way !
What we are suggesting is to download this DVD Identifier to find out who manufactured your DVD and if it's a decent quality.
http://dvd.identifier.cdfreaks.com/
Once you have your disc identified, click the "More information" icon and see what information you're given. if you're not sure of the quality, come on back and we'll check it out for you -
2. A good grade, Hi-quality media is needed for DVD reproduction !
RiData, Sony, TDK, "Branded" Ritek G04's or "Branded" Verbatim Data Life and Verbatim DataLife plus are among the better discs we're looking for OR any media boasting "Advanced Metal AZO." - BUT it must say "METAL" AZO !, this indicates a superior dye and dye application on a good composite, while they are sometimes a bit "pricey" they are just the type of media we're looking for to do our DVD backups.
Prices online from Meritline.com have gotten Ritek G04 starting at about a $ .45 (USD) a disc -
Question - If you make coasters out of 3 cheap or even average discs and good copies from 3 RiData, Ritek, TDK, Sony or Verbatim discs - which ones then will you say are too expensive ? The 3 "Cheapo's with no movie backup OR, the 3 recommended discs with a perfect backup on each disc ?
Bear in mind, Memorex, Orange Pack, Princo, Great AZO and others are quite good for your MP3 music, picture archives, Spread sheets, Data and your text backups and archives, they just don't work well for DVD backups. Even DataSafe G04's made by Ritek have been reported as an inferior quality media and are evoking that "Oh no, I shouldn't have gotten those."
Remember, for DVD backups, purchasing inexpensive media or even average media is a gamble, some people win, the majority of people lose, varying amounts varying amounts, true but, they still lose :-(
Using good grade media can guarantee you one thing to an absolute certainty; it surely cannot hurt.
BTW, In an effort to clear the air, when I speak of "Cheap" or "Inexpensive" media, I'm not referring to the price you pay at the counter - I'm referring to the type of composite some manufactures use, their method of dye application and the lack of OR the poor quality control used during manufacturing. when I say "Branded" that means that when you pick up a disc in your hand, it says "Ritek" or "RiData" on the disc itself. The monetary cost of the media we recommend many times is cheaper than that you are buying now.
cheers,
Pete
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15. September 2004 @ 21:21 |
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I prefer+RW (x4), it burns a hell of a lot quicker than - media. I have never had compatibility issues with any of my standalone players, Pioneer 545s & Toshiba 330 (both multi-region) or PC players (pioneer108, Sony dru510a & samsung dvd/cd combo. By the way, I read on site called DVD de-mystified that - media is called "dash" not "minus". Anyone have any thoughts on this, or should I start a new thread before I get spanked on the bottom with a wet Haddock?!?
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16. September 2004 @ 04:13 |
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Hi all :)
I have a +R9 capable writer (LiteON SOHW-832S), so does that mean if I use dual layer media I can just 'backup' any dvd movie in DVD Decrypter without having to use dvdshrink?
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that's exactly what it means. You must buy DL media, and it mustn't exceed the size limit(8.5g), decrypter now handles DL discs.
Do not forget to rip(read) and write in ISO mode in decrypter, ISO files are all it can burn.:)
GO VOLS !
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16. September 2004 @ 06:09 |
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Hey, Scub...
The error that I get is:
followed by:
* if the above images don't work, here are the links: http://www.geocities.com/heavenlyangel8877/error1.JPG and http://www.geocities.com/heavenlyangel8877/error2.JPG
I could backup the other disks with no problem whatsoever so I am not sure what it is about this one that keeps giving me an error. I am using Version 3.2 and I had already had the custom set to 4260 per your instruction. I tried decreasing it to 4160 but it still didn't help. What do you think that it could be?
Thanks, Scub!
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Hi tyeshab04,
Exactly what error are you getting ?
What version of DVD Shrink are you using ?
There are way a few things we can do to get you where you wish to go, i.e. We can always edit a bit and use "custom" compression to compresss your DVD a bit more and we can even run it through DVD Shrink twice.
It's not time to give up just quite yet :)
Get back to me with exactly what you've done so far -
Cheers,
"P"
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16. September 2004 @ 06:18 |
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jkghome, DVD Rip Forums specializes in problems with X Copy. They have patches to fix browse, to rip, to get rid of the annoying backup warning screens and much more.. You might want to check it out.
http://cgi.tripod.com/321ripforum/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl
GO VOLS !
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16. September 2004 @ 06:24 |
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this is another error i received after trying it for the millionth time....
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16. September 2004 @ 06:34 |
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tyeshab, what are your steps in shrink? Are you trying to put it on 2 discs or one?
Since I don't know what you're doing I can't really tell you anything from the error windows. That same window can pop up for a variety of reasons.
GO VOLS !
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16. September 2004 @ 07:46 |
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i followed scubapete's instructions down to the "t."--
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Let?s go over our settings for DVD Shrink.
When we open DVD Shrink, go to ?Edit,? check to make sure that ?Full disc Backup? is checked. Next, go to ?Preferences,? where is says ?DVD Target size? I select ?Custom? and in the size box I put 4260MB. That allows you a bit of wiggle room on your disc so that you?re not writing to the very edge of your disc. NOTE: A 4.7GB disc only holds 4.36GB of data. I like a tiny bit of room when I burn hence, the 4260MB instead of 4360MB. Make sure the ?User preferences? boxes are all ?ticked?. Under the ?Preview tab? be sure the ?Enable video and audio preview? is ?ticked?. Under the ?File I/O tab,? - ?tick? ?Enabled overlapped I/O? and ?Check RPC drive region code?. Under ?Burn settings,? ?tick? ?Enable burning with Nero.? NOTE: When you wish to have Nero do it?s ?Automatic burning thingie? make sure this box is ?ticked.? Tick this box now ! DVD Shrink can also burn an ISO image with DVD Decrypter, when you wish to use DVD Decrypter as your burning engine, make sure this box is ?un-ticked.? When you are finished, click ?OK.?
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When you click "Backup" in DVD Shrink, a box will come up saying ?Backup DVD.? Under the ?Target Device? tab where it says ?Select target device? choose your burner?s drive. Where it says? Target Folder:? click "Browse" and trace your path back to "All DVD Work\ Pirates of the Caribbean Sitting by the Dock on the Bay ". Under the ?DVD Region? tab, make sure ?Region Free? is ?ticked?. Under ?Quality Settings?, ?tick? ?Perform Deep analysis? (it takes longer but with your longer pictures, it makes the picture quality Ooohh so much better :-) Now, under "Quality Settings, "tick" "Compress video with high quality adaptive error compensation" there you may adjust quality enhancements. Practicing with the settings can produce even better end products. For a no-frills DVD's like "There's something about Mary" I like Extra Smooth BUT for DVD's with a lot of special effects, I use the Extra Sharp setting. That's for me, you'll have to decide what you like :) If all the boxes are "grayed out" that's OK, it means your DVD is small enough that little will be lost from the original. While we?re in the neighborhood, let's go to "Options and ?tick? the ?Run backup in low priority mode? box. Good, now click "OK". - Guess what, we?re done and done !!
DVD Shrink will place a copy of your DVD?s files in a folder named VIDEO_TS and a folder named AUDIO_TS. This last one is empty so you need not worry about it. When all the compression etc. is finished DVD Shrink will open Nero and use it?s burning engine to burn your backup to your disc. You won?t see it, you?ll just see DVD Shrink?s preview window on your desktop. Feel free to minimize it if you wish BUT, use your PC for nothing else until this work is done.
Last step: ?STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER !?
i am backing up the dvds to my hard drive. the first two dvds that i backed up worked fine and i didn't have a problem with them at all. however, it's this one that keeps giving me problems. i am only using one dvd. i tried burning it from one to another but it didnt work so i started backing it up on my hard drive but that didnt work either. has this ever happned to u?
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16. September 2004 @ 08:59 |
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Is shrink doing this when you 1st click on open disc or after you hit the backup button and click OK in the select target window that appears?
Are you doing any editing in shrink before you hit backup?
Have you tried ripping with decrypter 1st then using the open files instead of open disc in shrink?
How big is your HD and how much free space do you have on it?
And finally is your HD formatted to FAT32 or NTFS?
GO VOLS !
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16. September 2004 @ 10:41 |
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Is shrink doing this when you 1st click on open disc or after you hit the backup button and click OK in the select target window that appears?
Are you doing any editing in shrink before you hit backup?
Have you tried ripping with decrypter 1st then using the open files instead of open disc in shrink?
How big is your HD and how much free space do you have on it?
And finally is your HD formatted to FAT32 or NTFS?
shrink sends the error after i hit the backup button and click OK in the select target window that appears.
when i got the "invalid handle" error, i was editing in shrink. however, when i did no editing i still got an error saying "programming error-exception occured"
i will try using the decrypter now and let u know how that works.
i have an 80GB hard drive w/ 50GB free and i think it is formated to FAT32 but i am not exactly sure about that one.
let me see if i can decrypte it and go from there. i will let u know how that works.
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16. September 2004 @ 10:52 |
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Try it with decrypter, see what happens and that will eliminate one possibility. You could also try going straight to disc instead of HD after ripping with decrypter.
Here's the other possibility, if you have an extremely long movie you may be going over the 4g limit set by FAT32, that's all it can handle.
With NTFS you can handle files up to 10g. If you are going to be doing much video work you really need to partition your HD to NTFS.
You could partition half of it(40g) very easily since you have 50 free gigs, without having to reformat and lose anything. It's easy to do in XP or there is a freebie tool called partition magic 8 that can do it for you.
Let me know what happens with decrypter after trying it to the HD and then straight to disc. Use an RW so you don't make any coasters.
GO VOLS !
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16. September 2004 @ 12:56 |
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well, i dont know how to do the ntfs and i tried decrypting it first and then shrinking it down but i still got the same errors *sigh*. lol....i give up. this movie just wont get backed up.
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It's in all likelihood your file system. It is not hard to partition your HD, if you want I'll give you the steps. Even if this doesn't solve the problem with this movie, you are still better off.
Do you have XP?
As I said earlier, you will need NTFS at least on part of your HD if you are gonna do much video backup or you will run into this problem again.
GO VOLS !
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16. September 2004 @ 13:59 |
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thanks, big!
yes, i have xp. what r the steps?
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16. September 2004 @ 16:02 |
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Hi there tyeshab04,
TheBig guy is right about the NTFS, here's some stuff on that -
FAT32 to NTFS, It's the right move - It's upgrading -
Ya have FAT32 and the 4 Gig ceiling is killing you right ? You really want to backup your DVD's but your filing system is putting the "Kabash" on you so far -
Someone has told you, you must change something in OR on your HD and it's causing you to sweat bullets. It sounds MAJOR. It's not -
You haven't made a backup of your HD for a Long, long, really long time and you're worried that messing with your HD could ruin the world as you know it. - Well one of theses days you really need to backup your PC but for this operation, you'll be able to squeek by. Ya know, ya really do need to do that backup thingie (lol). But for now, it's not a problem. I haven't ever heard of anyone losing their PC or even a single file when upgrading FAT32 to NTFS, It's the right move -
Ya have FAT32 and the 4 Gig ceiling is killing you right ? You really want to backup your DVD's but your filing system is putting the "Kabash" on you so far -
Someone has told you, you must change something in OR on your HD and it's causing you to sweat bullets. It sounds MAJOR. It's not -
You haven't made a backup of your HD for a Long, long, really long time and you're worried that messing with your HD could ruin the world as you know it. - Well one of theses days you really need to backup your PC but for this operation, you'll be able to squeek by. Ya know, ya really do need to do that backup thingie (lol). But for now, it's not a problem. I haven't ever heard of anyone losing their PC or even a single file -
No worries mate, you're just a little bit behind the times is all -
No trouble converting your HD from FAT32 to NTFS, it's safe and fast.
Hey, take a second and learn something about it -
This is a good place to start, it compares both file systems and their performance -
http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs_vs_fat.htm
(Be sure to check the comparison of the 2 at the bottom of the page) -
Ok, feel better ? You're about to be brought into the light -
This program is called Partition Magic 8 is simple and easy and best of all - you download the trial version so it costs you Nada, Zip, Zilch as in free. (It's a good thing, right ? Yep, you bet.)
http://www.soft32.com/download_151.html
Ya feel better working in the Command window - No worries either, Check Herbsman (a MOD) away back when he was just a member, he will give you the "Skinny" right here -
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/81003
OK, you should be set.
Any questions, stop back and we'll try to help :P)
Cheers,
Pete
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You could also try going straight to disc instead of HD after ripping with decrypter.
Hey there my friend, I'm sure it was a "typo"
It isn't possible to rip with DVD Decrypter and burn to disc without going to your HD.
I wrote this a while ago but it applies -
Let's try to answer the question, "Why do I have to backup to my Hard Drive (HD) ?"
Think of it like you're making a Peanut butter and Jelly sandwich. Everything you need is in one place, the cupboard. All your DVD files are in one place, the original DVD.
You need a place to put all your ingredients, the Bread, Peanut butter and the Jelly - so that you can assemble them into a sandwich, you use the kitchen table. You need a place to put all the *IFO, *BUP and *VOB files you are taking from the original DVD, you need to assemble them into a VIDEO_TS folder OR you need to put them all together into an *ISO image, you need a place to work, you need the HD.
You assemble your sandwich putting your Peanut butter and your Jelly into two pieces of bread. When you are finished you can one of two things. First, you can leave all the "Fixens" on then table to make another sandwich sometime later OR, you can put it all away and have your table clear again. In DVD backup, we needed the HD to lay out all the IFO, BUP and VOB files and then to assemble them into a folder called your VIDEO_TS folder OR to put them all together onto an ISO image. When you are finished you can do one of two things. First, we could leave them on the HD to make another backup DVD later OR we can have them in a temporary folder to be deleted and have our HD space clear again.
In a nutshell, you have to write the files you're working with to your HD. The work you're doing cannot be done in "cyber-space."
So, back to our original question - If you want to do a backup of an original DVD you'll have to backup your DVD to your HD in order to work on it to make your backup disc.
You can copy a backup copy (copy a copy) "on the fly" (without involving your HD) because it's already decrypted and processed to fit on a single disc.
Now that you know why, you can forget about that nasty old question and you can follow the bread crumbs back through the forest till you arrive safe and sound back in your own little bed. :)
Goodnight now and pleasant dreams :P)
Cheers,
Pete
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16. September 2004 @ 16:13 |
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Hey pete, it wasn't exactly a typo, but it wasn't clear either. I meant after ripping with decrypter go into shrink and Then try going to disc instead of the HD.
You know I know better than that,lol, but thanx for pointing out my clouding of the issue. I hope the murky waters have cleared. lol
as always your friend, bigO
GO VOLS !
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