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how can i increase my DVD ripping speed?
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ryedizzel
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13. September 2004 @ 13:49 |
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"Sorry about being so vague...With the plextor 708a, while the tray is closed and no media present , hold the tray open/close button in until the lights flash three times and then release..once that is done it will rip beyond 2X...but it has to be done each and every time prior to ripping... "
dude, you are the man. my ripping speed displayed by DVD shrink went from 45 minutes @ 2,696 KB/s to 21 minutes at 4,800 KB/s!
wow, i knew something wasn't right. why did Plextor do this? is it because all the big movie companies paid them some kind of money to make DVD ripping slow to discourage movie pirates or something? yet Plextor left this hidden feature to unlock it so they don't turn themselves off to the majority of consumers? not sure if this is the case but it definetly seems like it.
anyway, i am having a strange issue though. like i said, when it started the rip speed was reading 4,800 KB/s. and during the first few minutes it actually kept increasing all the way up to 5,400 KB/s!
HOWEVER, then it started to decrease all the way down to 3,400 KB/s, thus causing the completion time to remain stuck at 21 min. i let it go for another 10 min and the speed has decreased even further to 3,182 KB/s, while only showing a completion time of 4 min less. why is this happening?
thanks again for all your help!
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ryedizzel
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13. September 2004 @ 13:53 |
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now its starting to go back up again with a speed of 3,800 KB/s and a completion time of 5 min. weird....
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13. September 2004 @ 14:32 |
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wow, i knew something wasn't right. why did Plextor do this?
Plextor is the only manufacturer to give you the option from the factory. All others are factory locked and require a third party hacked firmware to unlock it.
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is it because all the big movie companies paid them some kind of money to make DVD ripping slow to discourage movie pirates or something?
Quite the opposite I imagine. MPAA loves to sue people over stupid meaningless things.
Keep in mind that reads rates can and do vary for many reasons. The condition of the original can be a big factor.
Unless you're hell bent on wearing out your Plexy as soon as possible I'd highly suggest installing an inexpensive DVD ROM such as the Lite-On 166S or 167T ($30) to handle your ripping chores.
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13. September 2004 @ 14:36 |
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Nephilim ... how much faster, if any, will a Liteon DVD-ROM rip? (PS: Nice gif!!!).
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13. September 2004 @ 14:45 |
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Sounds like to me you might be experiencing a high number of errors during the reading, causing the burner to throttle back to pio mode.. An easy way to check is to right click on "My computer" left click "properties" and then open the "hardware " tab and then "device manager" and then open "secondary IDE channel and then "Advanced settings" if it shows your device is running in Pio Mode, you need to change it back to DMA. (Ultra DMA mode 2)
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13. September 2004 @ 17:11 |
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just thought I'd make everyone feel better. for me to do a deep analysis, encode, and decrypt,with shrink and then decryptor takes me about 4 and a half hrs. I have a compaq. amd 2800 and the new sony dvd burner ( the one before the dual layer). Does my computer suck or what. and then most of the time it freezes and I get coasters. I think I'd be better off trying to put both disc in the toaster to burn them. Did anybody else catch that thread. Oh..., Please Help !
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13. September 2004 @ 17:18 |
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Your AMD is a 2.25 GHz CPU. You are going 1 to 1-1/2 hours longer than you should be...providing you didn't include burn time. Something needs fixing.
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ryedizzel
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14. September 2004 @ 04:11 |
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Sounds like to me you might be experiencing a high number of errors during the reading, causing the burner to throttle back to pio mode.. An easy way to check is to right click on "My computer" left click "properties" and then open the "hardware " tab and then "device manager" and then open "secondary IDE channel and then "Advanced settings" if it shows your device is running in Pio Mode, you need to change it back to DMA. (Ultra DMA mode 2)
ok i checked this before and during my DVD ripping. both times it showed the current transfer mode as being "Ultra DMA mode 2".
however you could of been right with the read errors thing, because it did have a bunch of small scrathes. i just "backed up" another one of my DVDs right now and it started off at 5,700 KB/s and after a few minutes increased all the way to 7,900!!! the total completion time at the end was 17 min flat, whereas that first one was 30 min. AMAZING. you guys have been a great help.
Nephilim i will definetly heed your suggestion on investing in a Lite-On DVD reader solely for my ripping needs. i just hope it will perform as fast, if not more, than my Plextor.
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16. September 2004 @ 12:10 |
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The Lite-On should be at least equal to the rip speeds of the Plextor. Using Nero's CD/DVD Speed utility I've seen it average 10X on a DL disc and hit upwards of 14X on SL discs. It's an outstanding little drive for reading protected PC games as well :)
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16. September 2004 @ 12:16 |
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I'll run a couple tests to get some concrete numbers and check back in :)
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16. September 2004 @ 12:21 |
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Nephilim ... I too would be very interested in your results. This is an area of backing up where there is very little info ... just user preferences.
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16. September 2004 @ 13:39 |
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Tetsuo: The Ironman/SL @ 3.14GB
Start: 6.37X
Average: 10.81X
End: 14.03X
Elapsed Time: 3:48
Seven Samurai Criterion Edition/DL @ 7.58GB
Start: 3.31X
Average: 6.05X
End: 7.96X
Elapsed Time: 16:56
Tests were done with Nero CD/DVD Speed Utility and my Lite-On 166S.
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16. September 2004 @ 14:31 |
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Tetsuo: The Ironman/SL @ 3.14GB
Start: 3.36X
Average: 5.42X
End: 7.03X
Elapsed Time: 7:25
Seven Samurai Criterion Edition/DL @ 7.58GB
Start: 3.37X
Average: 6.18X
End: 8.13X
Elapsed Time: 16:35
Tests were done with Nero CD/DVD Speed Utility and my Plextor PX-708A with SpeedRead enabled.
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16. September 2004 @ 19:11 |
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Looks like the Litey is equal and then some :)
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16. September 2004 @ 19:22 |
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The Lite-On is definitely a good choice for ripping. For single layer discs the speed almost always averges more than 6x and maxes out close to 11x. When ripping single layer discs I occasionally hit 16x and generally average 10x - 11x. Mine's the 166s BTW. Nephilim and I have practically identical preferences in ROMs and burners. He just hasn't realized that Pioneer makes slightly better DVD burners than Plextor. But I'll convince him one of these days ;-)
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16. September 2004 @ 19:53 |
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Lol! I'm a Plextor slut through and through. I will never be changed! :P
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18. September 2004 @ 05:42 |
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Hi guys - just wanted to say that I've been a reader for a while but first time poster.
Anyways - I just bought and installed the Pioneer 108. I'm ripping my first movie (Old School) and I have deep analysis off. The ripping/encoding part is taking me like 1 hour 20 minutes at 1,500 -1,900 KB/s. My system is Athlon XP1900, 512 PC2700, 80 GB western digital and of course the Pioneer 108. Does 1:20 for ripping and encoding sound about right for my system? I've been looking at upgrading my system to an A64 system, if I could cut this time down to 30-40 minutes by doing so it would really make me consider the upgrade much, much more.
Thanks - Jesse
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18. September 2004 @ 08:00 |
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If you're ripping with the 108 using the stock firmware then yes, your times are entirely possible.
Factory burners are locked to a 2X read speed for DVD videos so , depending on the size of the source disc, that could account for 30-45 minutes of your time. Using a hacked firmware or installing an inexpensive ROM would cut down your rip times considerably.
A faster processor and more RAM would do wonders for your encoding times :)
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18. September 2004 @ 08:02 |
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And welcome to AD :)
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JesseN
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19. September 2004 @ 10:46 |
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man I feel dumb- but, if I bought a Lite-On 166S that would/could greatly reduce my ripping times because my Pioneer is locked at 2x and the with the Lite-On its not uncommon to acheive 10x, is this correct???
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19. September 2004 @ 11:46 |
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The Lite On 166s is a DVD-ROM drive that will rip a DVD to be burned..using a relatively inexpensive DVD -ROM drive increases ripping speed and reduces wear and tear on your DVR 108. You made a wise choice with the Pioneer...A Lite ON 166S DVD-ROM drive can be purchased for around 30 dollars..Standard DVD-ROM drives are not as sensative to disc Read errors as DVD burners ..Just a mention..a faster rip does not always produce the same quality burn as a slower one..Pioneer DVR 108 are desinged to slow down for a higher quality read (rip)..
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19. September 2004 @ 14:12 |
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thx john
2 questions.
1) Are you saying the Lite-On would be a lower quality read (rip)?
2) I'm interested to hear thoughts on this. My desktop (athlon xp1900 with 512 ram) just ripped another dvd at 1hr 25 minutes with speed of roughly 1400-1500. My laptop (dell 5100, p4 2.66, 512 pc2700 ram) just ripped a movie in 29 minutes with speeds of starting at about 3500, later on was roughly 4100). Thoughts??
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19. September 2004 @ 14:19 |
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Just a mention..a faster rip does not always produce the same quality burn as a slower one..Pioneer DVR 108 are desinged to slow down for a higher quality read (rip)..
John50,
That is the first time I've seen someone say that. I myself don't think ripping speed makes any difference. Now when it come to burning I say slower is better.
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19. September 2004 @ 19:56 |
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..Just a mention..a faster rip does not always produce the same quality burn as a slower one..Pioneer DVR 108 are desinged to slow down for a higher quality read (rip)..
The Pioneer 108, as well as other DVD drives, slow down to read when it's required. This is easy to see when DVD Decrypter is used with the max setting...as you will see the read speed fluctuate, e.g., it will decrease when data is more difficult to read. In this way one could say a drive slows down to get a higher quality rip...and that is because it has to do so in order to maintain the integrity of the file system.
The next step in this logic ... that there is a difference in the quality of a slow vs. fast rip ... is erroneous. You either record a good file system, or you don't. I would add that sometimes Decrypter must be set to 1x manually to get a good read, because it will not be able to read the data at 2x or more.
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19. September 2004 @ 19:56 |
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a faster rip does not always produce the same quality burn as a slower one..
Care to qualify this statement?
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Pioneer DVR 108 are desinged to slow down for a higher quality read (rip)..
What, slow down past the 2X they're capped at? With the exception of Plextor, all burners come from the factory locked to a 2X rip speed and it certainly isn't for accuracy reasons.
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