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What's the quickest way to backup a DVD?
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alfapaul
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28. September 2004 @ 05:58 |
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With the programs we mostly use on here i.e. DVD Shrink, DVD Decryptor and Nero 6, what is the absolute quickest way to perform a DVD copy when original is DVD9 for example?
Is it DVD Decryptor to decrypt and ISO, Shrink to compress, Decrypor again to write?
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DVD Decryptor to decrypt and ISO, Shrink to compress, Nero to write
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Shrink to decrypt and compress, Decryptor to write
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Shrink to decrypt and compress, Nero to write
Also, does anybody recommend selecting the two options is Shrink ("perform deep analysis" and "compress video with high quality adaptive error compensation")?
Thanks in Advance
Paul
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alfapaul
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28. September 2004 @ 15:16 |
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anybody? :(
Paul L
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pollushon
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28. September 2004 @ 15:44 |
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Both of these apps are free so thats great. I used them for a short while, then downloaded Any and Clone DVD. I can rip an entire disc in an average of 16 mins and burn it in an average of 24 mins. But to answer your question no doubt shrink and Nero to rip and burn is the quickest.(dependant on your writer) Some newer movies with tougher encryption will require decrypter, shrink and Nero though.I would recommend you select: compress video with high quality adaptive error compensation. It will slow it down, but it will be the best quality compression shrink can deliver.
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alfapaul
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28. September 2004 @ 15:47 |
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Cheers pollushon. What speed are you writing at if you don't mind me asking?
Paul L
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pollushon
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28. September 2004 @ 17:18 |
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Believe it or not thats a 4x burner with 4x media. I use Ritek, good media will allow you to write at max speed without errors.
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28. September 2004 @ 18:13 |
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Some newer movies with tougher encryption will require decrypter, shrink and Nero though.
All movies use the same CSS encryption. None are technically tougher than others.
All of the softwares mentioned will do a great job in roughly the same amount of time when using similar quality settings. It's personal preference really.
For movies that require heavy compression I like to use DVD Shrink's Deep Analysis and the Adaptive Error Compensation.
pollushon's endorsement of using Ritek G04 media and a 4X burn speed is a good one :)
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pollushon
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29. September 2004 @ 00:08 |
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Yea I believed encryption could only go so far, and encryption itself hasn't changed. Here in Australia though Sony (AKA columbia tristar), have employed a hidden audio protection. Usual Shrink and Nero produce a silent movie. The reason is the Audio Folder and data is an empty shell, its actually hidden under disguise of what seems like a useless IFO. The whole disc needs to be ripped and nothing moved, than it can be compressed after the ripping process not during it. I have asked other forums of troubles with this in other regions, seems its restricted to Australia,(for now) which is where most protections are developed and written for Sony, Columbia Tristar.
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colw
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29. September 2004 @ 03:40 |
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pollushon
Think someone is pulling your leg - the Audio folder is always empty. I live in Australia have yet to come across a DVD (including Sony/Tristar) that cannot be encoded and burnt.
Think you may need to re-read some of the guides available and ensure that the audio option is ticked
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pollushon
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29. September 2004 @ 04:28 |
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Anything can be copied I never said it cant. No-ones pulling my leg. You should do some research into DVD structure. I'll bet your PC shows the Audio as empty, but is it? Newbies can have trouble ripping and burning for the simplest reasons, you might be an old hand for all I know. I'm a newbie to this forum, but not to ripping, compressing, authoring, encoding, PAL/NTSC/SECAM etc etc........I'm not having a go, I'm just here to help.
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29. September 2004 @ 08:16 |
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What I don't understand is if the data is hidden how do you know for a fact that it's there? Can you point me in the direction of some links that verify this?
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29. September 2004 @ 09:40 |
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29. September 2004 @ 09:46 |
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LOL! This is from a Sony press release trumpeting their new protection called ARccOS:
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Copyright infringement constitutes a major problem: Nowadays videos rank second for content burned on CD-R without permission, and over 70% of DVD-R used contain movies and music videos. Copying software is inexpensive and widely available, making unauthorised digital copying easy and accessible to almost everyone.
Yet Sony makes DVD burners and DVD media!
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29. September 2004 @ 09:51 |
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Apparently it uses similar methods to PC game protections by using corrupt data. I guess the new versions of DVD Decrypter and AnyDVD bypass it already :)
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pollushon
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29. September 2004 @ 14:51 |
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@ Nephilim, you are an excellent researcher! I cant tell you how I knew this protection did exsist. But you are the first person to actually research and reply to me about it. It really isnt a major deal when it comes to ripping and burning yet, but it is a foundation of new protections to come. Sony R&D teams have been working on this ARccOS protection for some time now, which with later versions will soon make older ripping software obselete. But as always with new developments, new ways of breaking these protections will continue. Dont worry I promise you'll soon know its structure and how its implemented.
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29. September 2004 @ 15:18 |
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To be honest I'm not worried about it this point though it will be interesting to see how quickly and how widespread this will become.
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alfapaul
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1. October 2004 @ 10:41 |
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Nice to know my thread hasn't gone off at a completely different angle :)
Just kidding, thanks for all your replies guys. Anyone with any further opinions of the fastest program combinations to copy a DVD, please continue to reply
Cheers
Paul
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1. October 2004 @ 10:47 |
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I'd just like to point out that if you had given your thread a title that actually let people know what your question was you'd probably be getting more responses.
Fixed now
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alfapaul
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1. October 2004 @ 11:03 |
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Cheers vurbal, but I personally think I've had enough people look at it as well as some useful replies and so that wasn't really a problem for me. I also thought at the time that the original title may have actually encouraged more people to wonder what was inside and be a bit more light-hearted but thanks anyway
Paul L
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1. October 2004 @ 11:09 |
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Well it's actually against the rules not to be more specific, because others who see the thread and want to see the answer, vs those who want to give an answer, are more likely to get some use from it. We don't have a big problem with that particular rule, so I usually just change the thread title and don't worry about it.
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alfapaul
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1. October 2004 @ 11:15 |
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Totally understand. My apologies for not realising
Cheers
Paul
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1. October 2004 @ 11:16 |
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No big deal. As I said, it's not a rule we have a big problem with.
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brian100
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1. October 2004 @ 11:48 |
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With the programs we mostly use on here i.e. DVD Shrink, DVD Decryptor and Nero 6, what is the absolute quickest way to perform a DVD copy when original is DVD9 for example?
DVD2one...fastest...but quality fall's short compared to other apps.
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ejonesss
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20. November 2004 @ 08:32 |
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does anyone know what movies have the arccos protection?
i strongly prefer american releases because they are region 1 and are ntsc
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brobear
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20. November 2004 @ 09:21 |
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Ned Kelly is about the only one I'm familiar with that has the corrupted sector encryption. For some reason it wasn't on all the discs. May have been just a random sampling. They may have even given up on the method to some extent. As soon as they came out with encrypting with corrupted sectors the good decryption programs like AnyDVD upgraded their programs to handle the problem. Seems AnyDVD gets the job done and the other decrypters have to follow suit or get left in the dust.
Now for fast and good DVDs. Use AnyDVD as the decrypter and InterVideo's DVDCopy2 for newer digitally mastered releases. It has a problem with pixelation on older movies copied from film to DVD. For movies less than 4.37GB, not needing encoded, AnyDVD plus Nero Express from the Nero suite. For the older movies on DVD that need encoding, AnyDVD with Recode2 from Nero.
Just be aware that recording on the fly entails having more RAM and a faster CPU; lets just say an overall bigger faster machine than the minimal system pushed by many retailers. Besides the software, the equipment has to be able to go fast.
BTW, fast is not always good, I burn at 4X and consider that about the fastest one needs to go with the current technology of burners and media. Faster and you get into error problems. Some people even go down to 1X when burning games. I even use Rebuilder with CCE to encode large movies, 2 to 3 hrs. I rip the files to the hard drive with DVD Decrypter and following the encoding process, I burn with Nero Express. Slow, but the quality can't be beat.
DVD Shrink without the quality settings and deep analysis starts having quality issues above a 15 to 20% compression load. That is when the quality settings and deep analysis need to be used. Below 15% and the quality difference is negligible, but the time for the transcoding is drastically increased. (About 20% compression load is the level at which I go to using RB/CCE) DVD Shrink is the best freeware, however there are better apps and a bunch that are faster. The AnyDVD and CloneDVD2 combo are another example.
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brobear
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20. November 2004 @ 09:36 |
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Just a note: DVD Shrink is a good app that does its own decrypting and all the user has to do is have another app set to burn (Nero, DVD Decrypter in ISO write mode, or CopyToDVD). Though time consuming, Shrink has the quality settings for heavier compression levels. When in doubt of the decryption, leave AnyDVD running in the background or decrypt with DVD Decrypter. So for the backup enthusiast on a budget, you can't beat free. It's neither the fastest nor best, but it sure is the best for the price and it is better than a bunch of retail items.
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