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Copy Protection Error with Van Helsing?
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tristansh
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2. December 2004 @ 06:57 |
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Hi... new here.
I've been burning DVD backups for a while, using DVD Decrypter... I had no idea what brand of discs I was using until now - I got DVD Identifier, and learned that they were Princo discs. I've burned almost 100 of them, so I hope they're OK. :-/ But I want to get some better discs next time.
I don't know if it's ok to post this URL, but I was looking at some Ritek discs on Newegg.com and wondered if someone could advise me as to whether they're any good. Newegg's item number is N82E16817132377, and here's the URL:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-132-377&depa=0
The customer reviews seem good, but I'm not sure I can trust those. BTW, my burner is a NEC ND1300A.
Thanks... :-)
-TristanSH
EDIT: This site must have added that FastClick reference to the URL above. If you can't get it to work, just go to newegg.com and put that item number in the 'keyword' box on the top left.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 2. December 2004 @ 07:02
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InfoBoy
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2. December 2004 @ 13:15 |
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Hi Pete,
May I ask you something?
I checked out DVD Identifier.
Can you tell me what information I can get from it?
Where do I have to look at?
I don't understand much about it...
:-)
Thanks for your help.
Jelle
The Netherlands
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ScubaPete
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2. December 2004 @ 15:58 |
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Hi tristansh, welcome to aD,
I tried your link and your P/N and got nowhere.
Please refer to the first page of this thread for the media you should buy.
Also checkout Mertline.com for some more good buys.
BTW, Princo's are on my - this is crap, list -
Cheers,
Jelle,
The easiest thing to do is use a "Translator".
Try "Worldlingo" OR "Bablefish" and select German to English (or whatever)
Cheers,
"P"
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tristansh
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2. December 2004 @ 17:16 |
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Hi, thanks for the response...
As [my] luck would have it, Newegg removed that item number sometime this afternoon... :-( No matter, I think I'll try your suggestion of Meritline.com this time. They have a better price anyway, the ones I'm looking at say:
"Genuine Ritek Ridata G04 1X-4X DVD-R (Silver Matte) Blank Media 4.7GB for General Purpose DVDR Disc"
And they're only $.45 shipped in a 100pk. :-))
The reason I asked before, BTW, is that I was confused by the fact that they were branded Ritek and Ridata - but I think you said that only G04 Ritek's were any good. Irrelavent now, I just hope my burner accepts the new discs. Although I see you're using the same burner that I have... I guess it all depends on the firmware. I'm using a region-resetting hacked one, based on 1.07.
-TristanSH
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ScubaPete
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2. December 2004 @ 17:27 |
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AFA discs go, Ritek G04's rate right up there. When you get them, put one in your drive. If it is seen then great, if not, send them back. Mertline has a return policy. AFA RiData, I have used them for years and the only coasters I've had are those caused by me.
You'll do fine, I'm sure -
Good luck,
Pete
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linkinpht
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16. December 2004 @ 11:45 |
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Hello Pete, i have a question concerning a Full DVD, and the Digital blocks "artifacts". the question is that Why cant you just get the entire DVD without artifacts and still stay with everything in the disc? Why must everything have to be removed to improve the video quality? Or is it DVD Shrink that does the artifacts? since is free. And is not just Van Helsing, in that movie you see a lot of artifacts, but it has happened also with The Alamo and the alamo is just a normal movie,is not a cgi flick, in certain places when the camara moves, you can see artifacts, even if you pause it, and zoom the image, you see blocks, and those blocks make the image or the colors, which is not on the original dvd, so why cant DVD Shrink just copy 1:1 DVDs exatcly the same, without dropping the special features?
Thank you.
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ScubaPete
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16. December 2004 @ 15:15 |
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linkinpht,
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so why cant DVD Shrink just copy 1:1 DVDs exactly the same, without dropping the special features?
It can if you're using a Dual Layered burner and DL media. DVD Shrink can rip and encode the DVD and send it out to the DL disc in a 1:1 backup, just like it was when you received the original.
However, when you try to take all the information from a DL disc and then put it on a single sided, single-layered disc then you wind up many times with "artifacts". Using CCE rebuilder does an excellent job of ridding your backup of those blemishes as do some other proggys (but not too a greater extent.).
I backed up The Alamo also with DVD Shrink using the QE's and saw no artifacts at all, Go figure ? Try CloneDVD2, though I don't use it below 92%, many pple like it for the lack of "blockiness".
Cheers,
Pete
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linkinpht
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16. December 2004 @ 18:35 |
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hello again, DVDClone2 is better in terms of quality then DVD Shrink?
and also what do you mean by QE? and with the Alamo you dropped special features or you stayed with the full disc? cause it depends then, i got everything on the disc, didnt drop the special features and you see a little of artifacts. but minor is not that distracting.
lol im sorry but im not really good at this burning stuff, so i dont know what you mean by 92%, what i think it is, is as you increase it, lets say to 100% you get the best quality? or how is it.
thanks again, sorry for asking too much.
later.
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ScubaPete
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16. December 2004 @ 19:20 |
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linkinpht,
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DVDClone2 is better in terms of quality then DVD Shrink?
Just easier and faster in small compression work.
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and also what do you mean by QE?
DVD Shrink's Quality Enhancements (Deep Analysis & QE's)
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with the Alamo you dropped special features or you stayed with the full disc?
I kept the Special Features but dropped extra clips I.e. warning screens opening icons, extra audio etc.
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lets say to 100% you get the best quality
100% = 1:1 copy, no compresssion needed. 93% means you only compress 7%. Much over that I don't care for CloneDVD3 BUT that's just me -
Happy Holidays,
Pete
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linkinpht
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17. December 2004 @ 11:05 |
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hey, happy holidays too, thanks for the help.
later.
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rockraven
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3. January 2005 @ 23:45 |
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hey ScubaPete
one of the last things from your guide (dvd dec and shrink) was to burn from DVD Shrink using DVD Decrypter....when I select target image file to the iso that it is named it says "file already exists" so if it already exists then why do you have to save? and then after that i press OK it says "specified folder is invalid, the file is being used by another process" any ideas? when i backed up my dvd using decrypter i got 2 files: a .rar file and a .mds file, and i dont know which one is which?
can you help me out?
it would be much appreciated...thanks
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sting.ray
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4. January 2005 @ 18:36 |
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Hi I am having problems with ripping the Van Helsing dvd to my hard drive.
I have CloneDVD2 and AnyDVD4112. Using these two give me a read error 'cyclic redundancy check'.
I usually then turn to DVDDecrypter to rip the movie files onto my hdd and then use CloneDVD2 to split the movie into whatever size I wish. However, when using DVDDecrypter to rip the files I keep getting a read error on the 4th VOB file which is the same error on CloneDVD2. DVD Shrink encounters the same error.
The Van Helsing disk I have is a region macrovision protected disk but that should not matter?
Can someone help me?
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ScubaPete
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4. January 2005 @ 18:59 |
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Hi there rockraven,
I think you're either backing your file up to an existing file, one that you did before) OR one that you're that you're trying to extract your file from. LQQk closely to determine which it is, that's why I make my folders before hand and name them differently so that I can tell the difference, still I've done the same thing as you've just done. (Lol). As for the folders you've named - they are both part of the same ISO folder. The part that that DVDD likes is the Mds one, why I don't know because it's so small and cannot contain the entire DVD OR the Rar folder which is a type of compressed file (WinRar is like a ZIP but instead of being WinZip it's called WinRar).
Hope that helps,
stingray,
I'd like you to check your DVD Decrypter's settings. First, it should be version 3.5.1.0. Go to "Tools", "Settings", set everything to "Default". Then in the "General" tab change, "Removal Method" from "Normal" to "Aggressive", in "File Mode", "tick" Remove IFO/BUP PUO's." For ripping in the "ISO, Read Mode", "tick" "Remove IFO/BUP PUO's" there also. in the "CSS" tab, under "CSS Cracking Method", choose "Brute Force ~> I/O Key Exchange" and "On Failure" choose "Yes". . IMPORTANT: In the "I / O" tab, in the bottom right, "tick" the box which says, "Ignore read errors". This is an excellent setting for dealing with lightly scratched discs which may cause reading problems.
Se if that helps at all - it's my special formula for DVDD,
Cheers, Pete :P)
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sting.ray
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4. January 2005 @ 20:19 |
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ScubaPete
Cheers for the quick response!
I have tried the settings that you have pointed out but with no luck. I'm still getting the 'read sector error' failure on the 4th .VOB file.
Any other suggestions?
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sting.ray
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4. January 2005 @ 20:33 |
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ScubaPete
I have a BENQ DW1620 DVD Writer.
When I play the Van Helsing disk using PowerDVD the change of chapters around 14-17 will cause a read error. I suspect it might have something to do with the dual layer change of the disk?
Could it be that my drive is unable to follow this layer change and what can be done to resolve this?
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MarkNZ
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4. January 2005 @ 22:39 |
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I have the problem with Van Helsing. Nothing seems to work...
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ScubaPete
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5. January 2005 @ 14:46 |
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Pariah
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5. January 2005 @ 15:34 |
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I'm burning Van Helsing as I type this. If your computer has a DVD playing program, try playing the movie for about 30 seconds. Then close that program (don't open DVD drive) and open DVD Shrink. Then try it. Some DVD drives are picky with reading DVDs in Shrink until they have been played a bit...don't know why, but it seems to work for me.
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sting.ray
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5. January 2005 @ 18:28 |
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Pariah and ScubaPete
Thanks for the suggestions to which I have tried both.
The new DVDD 3.5.2 immediately picks up something on the disk and gives the following 3 messages on the log when I put in the Van Helsing disk:
W 17:21:00 Possible Structure Protection Found!
W 17:21:00 5 areas have been marked as 'suspect'.
W 17:21:00 Dummy sectors will be inserted where necessary.
And then when it gets to VTS_01_4.VOB file it gives this error:
W 17:23:54 Failed to read Sector 1927216 - Unrecovered Read Error
Is there something I can do to get around this structure protection?
Pariah, I tried DVD Shrink after playing the movie for a little while but during analysing stage it hits 'cyclic redundancy error'.
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ScubaPete
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5. January 2005 @ 19:36 |
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MarkNZ
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5. January 2005 @ 20:43 |
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Same problem.. My original is a region 4,2 perhaps it's a bad batch of DVD's because it even plays up on my stand alone DVD unit
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ScubaPete
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6. January 2005 @ 13:58 |
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sting.ray,
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And then when it gets to VTS_01_4.VOB file it gives this error:
W 17:23:54 Failed to read Sector 1927216 - Unrecovered Read Error
Is there something I can do to get around this structure protection?
You do see my point don't you . . . .
I specificly told you, when setting DVDD up with the new settings,
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In the "I / O" tab, in the bottom right, "tick" the box which says, "Ignore read errors". This is an excellent setting for dealing with lightly scratched discs which may cause reading problems.
Once you've "ticked" that box you shouldn't receive that error as it's plainly a read error.
I can only sumise that your copy of DVDD is different than everyother copy I've dealt with and as such I don't have any suggestions - Sorry :(
Pete -
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bmikesell
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6. January 2005 @ 14:10 |
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hi yesterday i made a perfect copy of Van Helsing using the exact words frm Scuba's long thread...
so i know it works....
Good luck,
Brian
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ScubaPete
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6. January 2005 @ 16:11 |
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Thank you Brian,
I thought I was losing what little mind I had left -
I tried to cover all bases and I was butting my head against the wall to try to see where I messed up and I couldn't see where -
Finally, thanks to you, a decent nights sleep seems in the offing ~
Cheers, Pete
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jwpatrick
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6. January 2005 @ 20:16 |
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I've had the same problems stingray had with Van Helsing.
Tried all the suggestions here. My first post, but not a new user. Used DVD Shrink, DVD Decrypter 3.5.1.0 with the settings indicated by Scuba Pete, upgraded to 3.5.2.0, used the Scuba Pete settings there too, after the default settings didn't work. Used AnyDVD, VobBlanker, even tried DVD XCopy Platinum. Installed, uninstalled, re-installed, re-booted, even tried holding my head with a 30 degree tilt to the equator, but still no joy.
Not sure what the difference would be between those who have been successful with this movie and those who aren't like stingray and me. Any suggestions appreciated.
Read the forums regularly, and thanks to all for the great advice given here. Have burned almost 200 over the last year with only a few difficult ones (everybody needs a set of coasters to protect the table our grandma gave us) along the way, but this forum has always had the solution.
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