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Open poll: have KVCDs an acceptable quality with respect to VCDs?
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aldaco12
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15. November 2004 @ 00:32 |
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I received some comments that KVCD movies lose quality with respect to normal VCDs. Can you report here any comment about your conversions, please? (of course, with TMPgenc set on 'Motion Search Precision = Highest Quality (very slow) during the use of those templates)
Thanks to you all! Any comment is appreciated.
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aldaco12
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16. November 2004 @ 00:31 |
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I begin: I saw that a KVCD (even if made in the best way TMPGenc can do) can be seen rather well on a DVD player, but if one looks at the TV screen very closely (or watches the final .MPG on his PC), the images have a sort of 'flickering'. Therefore my assumption, so far, is: to put a whole movie on a single CD is good, but a visible, even no great, loss in quality doesn't make it be worth of it.
Conclusions:
Standard VCDs are better of KVCDs, since everyone can afford to spend 0,80 - 1,00 $ to buy an extra CD-ROM (and a better quality of the movie).
Therefore, so far, the poll results are:
We like KVCDs.............We don't like KVCDs
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0................................................1
Overall = 1.
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katolee
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16. November 2004 @ 04:49 |
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IMHO I say there not.
Scenario: A dvd rip encoded vcd
A dvd rip encoded KVCD
VCD: Smooth playback without any frameskipping.
KVCD: Some jerky video and minimal frameskipping.
Audio VCD & KVCD: It's about the same to me
(just by hearing and not tech standards)
Keep in mind that the scale of the Con's are minor on KVCD on a 1-10 ranking i'd rank all the negative things around 2-3.
Still I get tons of KVCD when the VCDS are around 3 cds or more.
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aldaco12
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16. November 2004 @ 04:53 |
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So, concluding (I don't understand english perfectly): do you prefere to encode a movie in KVCD or VCD form?
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katolee
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16. November 2004 @ 07:57 |
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It's a tough call.
Overall for personal viewing i'd choose KVCD.
The file size being the main issue
i'm on a 2.4mb cable so a 700mb file really doesn't matter, but 3 or more 700mb files can sometimes gets annyoning.....
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aldaco12
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17. November 2004 @ 01:22 |
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OK (but I've a fast connection, therefore for me "High Movie Quality" is superior to "Small Movie Size"). Therefore, so far, the poll results are:
We like KVCDs.............We don't like KVCDs
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1................................................1
Overall = 2.
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nownthen
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19. November 2004 @ 07:56 |
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The quality of a VCD and KVCD seem about the same. I really like being able to get more time out of a cd with the KVCD format.
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aldaco12
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21. November 2004 @ 22:24 |
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If you watch the movie on a PC, you notice there are some differences, you notice them less, on a TV (e.g. only if you watch closely the screen). But if you judge such differences not too great with respect to a standard VCD, I'll add you, if you don't change your opinion, to the 'I like KVCDs' party:
We like KVCDs.............We don't like KVCDs
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2................................................1
Overall = 3.
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jazzzy
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23. November 2004 @ 12:27 |
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I've burnt loads of KVCDs using a program called ACP which uses AVISYNTH, VirtualDub, TMPGEnc, BESWEET and MADPLAY. All you have to do is select the AVI file and it does everything for you. A 700Mb Divx film becomes a good quality 700Mb MPG. I've had no problems on DVD playback with flicker. Obviously the quality has gone down from the divx format but when I can put 5 films on a single dvd with better quality than VCD in my opinion I'm not complaining
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aldaco12
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24. November 2004 @ 22:44 |
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OK. I assume this poll is going pro the KVCDs:
We like KVCDs.............We don't like KVCDs
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3................................................1
Overall = 4.
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darkvader
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1. December 2004 @ 13:42 |
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aldaco12
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1. December 2004 @ 23:14 |
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I see. Probably I'll have to change my idea:
OK. I assume this poll is going pro the KVCDs:
We like KVCDs.............We don't like KVCDs
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4................................................1 (only me!!)
Overall = 5.
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darkvader
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2. December 2004 @ 18:03 |
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Is there any specific reason you don't like their compression methods?
I mean, if you look closely at any of those samples, there's not a single VCD on earth that can match that :)
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aldaco12
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2. December 2004 @ 23:36 |
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Yes, but if I look closely to the SAME movie converted in VCD format and in KVCD format I notice some little differences.
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Mick69
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7. December 2004 @ 08:40 |
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havent been here in a while but its good to see aldaco still doing the rounds on the vcd/svcd threads ;).
anyways back to the topic at hand. if anyone thinks that the quality of kvcd is better than VCD they seriously need their eyes checked. the bitrate of a VCD is low enough, you still get artifacts and blockiness when you convert to this format(even from a dvd source), it cant be helped because of the low bitrate. now kvcd has an even lower bitrate(much lower) than a standard compliant VCD which in turn produces even more artifacts and macro-blocks, its a simple fact that the lower the bitrate when encoding the worse off the output quality will be. now if your on a tight budget and two/three cd-r's a movie cuts into the hip pocket a bit too much then i can understand why you'd choose kvcd, but at 25c a cd-r(maybe less) its not like you'd be going hungry at the expensive of a few cd-r's :/. theres an old saying though, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", so if kvcd looks good enough for you well thats fair enough, but for me quality is everything, even though i dont think the quality of VCD is absolutely stunning, i still think VCD has far superior quality compared to kvcd. so thats a big |we dont like KVCDs| vote from me.
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aldaco12
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10. December 2004 @ 00:59 |
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Ahh! Finally I'm not alone!!
We like KVCDs.............We don't like KVCDs
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4................................................2
Overall = 6.
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neewbie
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21. July 2005 @ 22:01 |
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i dont like kvcds, there crap quality and hard to convert and encode. waste of time and download!
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aldaco12
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26. August 2005 @ 05:10 |
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The 'group' (WE DON'T LIKE KVCDs) keeps growing....
We like KVCDs.............We don't like KVCDs
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4................................................3
Overall = 7.
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Daggy-G
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25. September 2005 @ 01:16 |
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I'm in favor oF KVCD/KDVD!!
Those who say kvcd sucks ARENT ENCODING THEM RIGHT!
Kvcd is made to break away from the damn 352x240 resolution.
You need to use the tutorial guides & Kwags Optimal Script.
I can put a 2 hr movie on 1 KVCD @ 352x240 & it looks bad as a 2 cd vcd.
I can put 1 2 hour movies onto 2 CDR @ 528x480 (mpeg1) & garanteed it will be DVD quality (only a lower resolution)u wont notice any blocks or anything, afterall vcd was made to be put onto 2 CDR's
So in conclusion a 2 CDR vcd looks like crap, a 2 CDR KVCD looks almost identical to dvd EXCEPT lower resolotion
For those users i recomend KDVD 6 hrs on 1 4.7 gb DVD+R @ 100% DVD quality, resolotion & compatability (as it is mpg2)
see the screenshots on the bottom of the page?
http://www.kvcd.net/portal/index.php
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aldaco12
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4. October 2005 @ 04:35 |
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No, I don't see any screenshot (is this the 'page' or where?).
Quote:
You need to use the tutorial guides & Kwags Optimal Script.
can you post here the link to this tutorial, please?
I must admit (and thanks to you for this!) that http://www.kvcd.new suggests about using a CQ value of 74 (http://www.kvcd.net/portal/faq.php?lng=en , Q-11) and on the templates that can be downloaded from the site its default CQ value is 60! I hope that, with CQ=74 the KVCD Templates results are as good as they are said to be..
Or, maybe there's another integration which can be done to TMPGenc Plus + the KVCD templates (I read about AviSynth scripts..) which can increase KVCD quality?
Until no new result arrives (for example, from my tests using CQ=74 instead of the default value of CQ = 60), I can only update the 'poll' result:
We like KVCDs.............We don't like KVCDs
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5................................................3
Overall = 8.
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Daggy-G
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5. October 2005 @ 06:36 |
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My opinion is always use 2 cds per encode not 1.
The screenshots are at the bottom or middle of that page I posted.
Yes u use the latest version of avisynth with a conjuction of Kwags optimal KVCD script ,tmpgenc & the kvcd modified templates + CQMATIC & CALCUMATIC both those applications must be used in order to find the CQ for a movie to fit to CD/DVD/2CD'S OR 3 movies to 1 dvd ect
P.S. THE xvid codec must be installed as a handler & directshow in tmpgenc must be unchecked.
Also DVD2avi 1.77.3 or DGmpgDec must be used first
(note with DGmpgDec u have to enter time manually in calcumatic because IT WONT OPEN FILES FROM DGmpgDec
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aldaco12
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2. November 2005 @ 04:43 |
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OK I found the link that wasn't writen in http:// form. I modified it for you..
Yes I understand, now. The problm is finding a good CQ value in order to fit your number of CDs (1 CD-R for KVCD 352x288, 2 for more advanced formats).
Now Im turning on the 'opposite side'. I'm using CalcuMatic (http://www.kvcd.net/CalcuMatic.exe )and CQMatic (http://www.kvcd.net/CQMatic-1.2.06.exe )and I've seen that the rsults depend alot upon the video's type. For instance, a fast motion 2h movie on a CD-R gives a too low value of CQ to make KVCD to fit on it. A slow-motion movie long 1h 30' gives a CQ value rather high (over 80) and gives good results.
Therefore, the poll result changes in this way:
We like KVCDs.............We don't like KVCDs
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The KVCD FAQs http://www.kvcd.net/portal/faq.php?lng=en [Q.11 and Q.14] say that 352x288/240 a good threshold is about 74.
This fact might discriminate about the use of 1 or more CDs.
Feel free to test it...
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Uhhhh
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5. November 2005 @ 11:43 |
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how come my kvcd always have better graphic than my VCD.
Uhhhh
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callidus
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11. January 2006 @ 10:33 |
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KVCD kick the arse off VCd's check out any release by a group known as TUS who specialise in kvcd conversions, these are awesome for 1 cd < 800 mb movies often giving divx/xvid a run for its money but playable in the majority of dvd players
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Daggy-G
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11. January 2006 @ 22:02 |
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Yes but @ 528x480 a 2CD encode is DVD quality (yes even in mpeg1)
but 1 cd encodes hmmmm @ 352x240 looks shity
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