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burn without xbox
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matt2364
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27. November 2004 @ 19:58 |
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hey is there anyway to burn xbox games without connecting your box to your computer, bc connecting it to your computer sounds to complicated for me...
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thejacl
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28. November 2004 @ 03:54 |
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The only other way to get an image of an xbox game is to download it via bittorrent. If you d/l a torrent of a game, then use Craxtion to extract/patch/create the new iso, then u can burn the new iso to dvd. I have done all this but haven't tried the disc yet, but makes sense to me. The only downfall to all this is that it takes a long time to d/l xbox games, and if your on dial-up, then you just wasted your time reading this. Otherwise, enjoy.
There is only one satisfying way to boot a computer.
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Quadratic
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28. November 2004 @ 16:57 |
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Dude, connecting your Xbox and your pc is no more difficult than connecting xbox live.
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thejacl
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29. November 2004 @ 12:40 |
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Very true.
There is only one satisfying way to boot a computer.
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Bohefus
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29. November 2004 @ 14:44 |
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fadedindi
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1. December 2004 @ 15:00 |
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Connecting to your xbox from your PC is easy. Mod your xbox and then ftp into it. Bit Torrent takes to damn long!
-Dave
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smiff6969
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7. December 2004 @ 11:04 |
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Just out of interest has anybody tried fitting an xbox drive into a pc then reading from it and ripping a raw data file????? all the xbox is, is a dedicated pc so the xbox drive should work in a normal PC. And all i gather is that the reason a pc cant read an xbox disk in the first place is because xbox drive's firmware is different to normal dvd drives. some say it stores the TOC in a different place etc. so normal drives don't see this and can't work out how large or how many tracks it has. I think you can put a normal dvd drive into an xbox and played ripped origanal games done solely on a PC, because alot of people do this to get around the xbox drive issue. Any one fancy fitting an xbox drive to a pc and seeing if it reads correctly!!!!!!!!!!!.
Just speculation here by the way.
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thejacl
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7. December 2004 @ 13:16 |
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No dude, that won't work, I guarantee it has been tried. The reason the pc can't read an Xbox dvd is because of this: a PC as we all know uses a file system commonly know as either FAT32 or most recently, and most popular NTFS. The Xbox, uses its own unique file system called FATX. Now, the only way we could incorporate FATX into some kind of emulation with the PC file system is haveing a good friend at Micrsoft who can aquire the source code for you, then you need to know someone who is a genious programmer who could put it all together, and then get sued by microsoft for doing it... :S From what I gather everything under the sun has been tried and the only real 'easy' way of doing it is to FTP to your Xbox.
Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...it has hapened once or twice :P
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smiff6969
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7. December 2004 @ 13:44 |
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I take it hard drives can be formatted as fatx because people fit new hard drives to xboxes so if what your saying is correct and i believe it is the only real way it could be done would be to create a daul boot pc with xbox OS on one partition formatted to fatx and say xp on the other formatted to ntfs. Heres another question. Is xbox OS embedded or located on Hard disk, by this i mean is the dashboard software blasted as firmware on flash (memory hardwired to board) or is is stored on hard drive. If it's stored on the hard drive could you not take out a xbox hard drive and boot the xbox dashboard from a pc.
I might be pissing in the wind here as i'm new to xbox workings but have deep roots with pc,s and electronics.
Any ideas on any questions would be interesting
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thejacl
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7. December 2004 @ 13:54 |
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Well, I am almost positive that the Xbox OS is on the board itself, its not like the OS is all that big anyway right? About the dual boot, I do believe all your PC's hardware wouls have to be compatable with the Xbox OS, but even before this, how would you go about formatting a partition of your HD to support FATX? There are no CDs or anything you can get the Xbox OS from...
I do beleive that if you take the DVD Rom out of the xbox and install it into your PC, it will act as a normal DVD Rom. See the thing is, the DVD Rom can read literally ANYTHING on ANY DVD, because all the information is is 1's and 0's, its up to the recieving end (windows, xbox) to be able to interpret what the information being sent to it is, and whether or not it is ligitimate to that particular OS.
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fadedindi
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7. December 2004 @ 14:14 |
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I think the Xbox's OS is on it's HDD. The BIOS says what to boot on it's HDD. You CAN upgrade your Xbox's HDD from whatever it is now (7 or 8GB) to 120GB using a hardware swap method, a little modding, and some copying (files from the Xbox's OEM HDD to your bigger HDD).
About the Xbox's DVD drive, I think it's the firmware and probably the laser type that is installed in the drive that allows it to read the data it needs. For example a CD-ROM drive can't read a DVD disc no matter what program (or OS) you use.
-Dave
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thejacl
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7. December 2004 @ 14:24 |
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Yeah, I see your point about the OS and I agree.
But as for the DVD Rom, like I said, 1's and 0's. The fact that you can put a DVD movie, whether its burned or original, into your Xbox and have it read, proves that it is a generic DVD drive, the disc tray is just jazzed up for the look of the xbox, hence being able to replace your DVD Rom if you break the one on your xbox. Again, the laser does not read anything other than "grooves and peaks". Generally, the only difference between a DVD and CD is the size of the laser. Obviously a DVD's laser is MUCH finer therefore making it read less area of the disc at a time, increasing the space for information.
There is only one satisfying way to boot a computer.
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Quadratic
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7. December 2004 @ 14:27 |
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No dude, that won't work, I guarantee it has been tried. The reason the pc can't read an Xbox dvd is because of this: a PC as we all know uses a file system commonly know as either FAT32 or most recently, and most popular NTFS. The Xbox, uses its own unique file system called FATX. Now, the only way we could incorporate FATX into some kind of emulation with the PC file system is haveing a good friend at Micrsoft who can aquire the source code for you, then you need to know someone who is a genious programmer who could put it all together, and then get sued by microsoft for doing it... :S From what I gather everything under the sun has been tried and the only real 'easy' way of doing it is to FTP to your Xbox.
You're right to some extent, but if that's the case, then why is it possible to change harddrives and they read?
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fadedindi
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7. December 2004 @ 14:30 |
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You are right about the DVD/CD lasers.
I think someone should try to put a generic DVD drive into an xbox and see if it works. :)
-Dave
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thejacl
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7. December 2004 @ 14:35 |
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You're right to some extent, but if that's the case, then why is it possible to change harddrives and they read?
fadedindi explained why it can be done:
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The BIOS says what to boot on it's HDD. You CAN upgrade your Xbox's HDD from whatever it is now (7 or 8GB) to 120GB using a hardware swap method, a little modding, and some copying (files from the Xbox's OEM HDD to your bigger HDD).
There is only one satisfying way to boot a computer.
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fadedindi
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7. December 2004 @ 14:45 |
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-Dave
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Quadratic
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7. December 2004 @ 14:52 |
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I think someone should try to put a generic DVD drive into an xbox and see if it works. :)
Already been done. Problem is, it can't read originals, thus meaning that you can't make backups of your own, unless you have another xbox.
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smiff6969
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7. December 2004 @ 22:00 |
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would it be possible for PC to boot from an xbox hard drive?? anyone tried that.
I know xboxes can run linux cause ive seen them (there just PC's in silly boxes).
So why not the reverse.
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Quadratic
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8. December 2004 @ 05:32 |
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would it be possible for PC to boot from an xbox hard drive?? anyone tried that.
I know xboxes can run linux cause ive seen them (there just PC's in silly boxes).
So why not the reverse.
I wouldn't say it's impossible, but the only people that could do it are people that work for the engineering section of Microsoft. I wouldn't try it myself.
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smiff6969
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8. December 2004 @ 07:11 |
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Why would they have to be part of the microsoft engineering section what diference does that make.
The xbox is a dedicated PC with a hard drive and dvd rom that is all to it really. The only real way I can see it not working is if the boot secter on the hard drive is in a diferent place to on a PC. PC's use a set location for files required on boot of a PC. The bios on the motherboard tells the PC where to look for bootable files to boot the computer.
The xbox will use the same concept as it is a motherboard pure and simple. The bios might however point to a diferent place for bootable data to start the OS.
If you think about it though you can put linux on a xbox and still boot the drive from the xbox so this tells you it is stored in the same place.
Whats so dificult whats to stop you ripping the guts out an xbox and shoving it all in a Linux PC with a 2.8 gig processor and 512meg ram.
If an XBOX can be turned into a normal linux PC (technically it already is apart from OS), then a normal PC could be turned into an XBOX, using some key components from the XBOX of course like the DVD drive and HDD.
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thejacl
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8. December 2004 @ 08:27 |
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The issue at hand is the fact that you can take a generic DVD Rom and put it in the xbox, and it will function properly. Taking the DVD Rom out of the xbox and putting it in the PC will not allow the PC to read Xbox discs. Windows cannot recognize the FATX file system, plain and simple.
There is only one satisfying way to boot a computer.
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smiff6969
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8. December 2004 @ 10:25 |
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Yep completely true windows using fat32 cannot view a drive in ntfs and vice versa.
A file is a file anyway and the fact it was stored on any type of file structure is not important. true your ntfs winxp OS cannot view fat32 winxpOS or anyother file structure directly as the protocols don't match. If you download a file from the internet you don't have to choose a diferent file type dependent on wether your pc is ntfs or fat because the file couldn't care less wether its going on ntfs fat32 or fatx.
The point i'm making is your copying a disk by taking an image of the DVD game (ghosting it) not accessing the disk to read from it. Tell me this can you ghost a pc hdd with win95 in fat16 on it using a desktop pc with winxp ntfs. Yes i think so because the pc your using couldn't care less whats on the disk its just creating a raw image.
I have at work ghosted linux HDD using windows pc's and let me tell you ther OS file structures certainly don't match.
The reason as i see it that it cannot be done wat mo with xbox games is because the drive reads in the opposite direction so the TOC is in a diferent place. when you then put the origanal in a pc drive it can't find the TOC because it's somewhere else and so makes up what it thinks is on the disk resulting in you getting the wrong size read back.
If your pc couldn't access the Xbox drive because it's fatx then how the hell can you copy an already copied xbox game on a pc without using your xbox again then...... iv'e copied already copied xbox games myself through winXP on ntfs and let me tell you it hasn't magically changed the game to ntfs file structure because the xbox wouldn't read them.
let me know what you think about that.
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smiff6969
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8. December 2004 @ 10:50 |
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What i want to know is has anyone put an xbox drive in a PC and took an image of an xbox origanal using copy software. NOT read the disk thats a completely seperate thing dude.
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Quadratic
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8. December 2004 @ 11:11 |
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Why would they have to be part of the microsoft engineering section what diference does that make.
Because the two harddrives would not be compatible. Just think about it. What would you use to install a XBOX hard drive in your PC? You have hacked bios to install a pc harddrive in your xbox, but not viceversa.
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The xbox is a dedicated PC with a hard drive and dvd rom that is all to it really. The only real way I can see it not working is if the boot secter on the hard drive is in a diferent place to on a PC. PC's use a set location for files required on boot of a PC. The bios on the motherboard tells the PC where to look for bootable files to boot the computer.
True, but still, you wouldn't be able to do it. It might not even read the harddrive once you put it in the pc.
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smiff6969
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8. December 2004 @ 11:16 |
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No mate i'm on about putting a xbox dvd rom drive in a pc then creating an image of an origanal game instead of putting a copied game into pc dvd rom and making an image of a copied game
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