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Darkreapr
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6. February 2005 @ 10:27 |
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To answer your flood question,
The flood were in bio stacis on the first Halo until the covenant disturbed them, as for the second Halo I believe it was the Humans&Covenant because they were both in the Library. The Forerunners created the rings to kill off any sentient life that would feed the flood, the knew that the ring would kill them not the flood, which was the whole point of creating the rings.
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Darkreapr
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6. February 2005 @ 10:28 |
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And I know about the bird things. The animals im talking about are the size of a tank. :-p
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Schaeffer
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6. February 2005 @ 10:45 |
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Why did the forerunners build bio stacis labs that would allow the flood to survive without food if they wanted to starve the flood to death? Or is the bio stacis a kind of hibernation that the flood can do when food is short? An ability that the Forerunners were unaware of. That is kind of a dumb plan, to kill everything including themselves. All the benifits of the flood being dead, are useless if you are not alive to enjoy them. There has to some other way. The Forerunners were sophisticated enough to build 7 rings, each 10,000 kilomters in diameter then I am sure they could have come up with a better way. Well, I am probably reading too much into this.
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Darkreapr
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6. February 2005 @ 10:49 |
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No, these are some interesting points. I want to know why if the flood are this easy tp kill with simple weapons like a pistol, then why werent the forerunners able to kill all of the with their highly advanced weapons? Unless somehow the humans, and covenant are some how the forerunners distant relitives?
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Schaeffer
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6. February 2005 @ 11:02 |
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I am pretty sure they are, because in the third level on the campaign (the first level on Earth) Cortana or Lord Hood, maybe both wonder why the Covenant decided to only attack here. Which is someplace in Africa. That is because the "Arc" (which is the thing that can remote detonate the remaining 6 Halos) as Guilty Spark calls it at the end of Halo 2 is on Earth, It is someplace in Africa. Somehow we are the Forerunners. We probably destroyed ourselves, and life started over, and the stuff that we assumed were just ruins, or maybe is underground somewhere is the Arc. It never explains how the Covenant found out that our homeworld was Earth. The Human race was pretty careful in making sure that the Covenant wouldn't find out. Protocols such as never retreating to Earth, and if you are in danger of capture, they must self destruct. I think that they came to Earth to activate or fire the Arc. Not because it is the Humans homeworld. That is why the Covenant were surprised that we (as in the Human race) were here. Cortana says that in the third mission, after listening to the Covenant battle net. That is why they came in such small numbers. They didn't expect us to be here. That is why they left, because they knew they couldn't capture the arc with one ship if the entire human race is on that planet. The Prophet of Regret either jumped the gun or relied on bad reconnaissance. That is why he went to Earth even though the Humans were all there. Either way him not capturing the Arc was still his fault. That is why he sends a message back to the other Prophets apologizing for his failure.
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Darkreapr
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6. February 2005 @ 11:07 |
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Excelent point.
I think that the humans are Forerunners to. I think that a select few remained with the other Halos and activated them to only fire within a very short distance of eachother, while the others fled to Earth and rebuilt from there, safe from the Halo's and Flood, but somehow we forgot of our past.
Come to think of it the Forerunner ship looks like a pyramid on Earth.
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Schaeffer
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6. February 2005 @ 11:09 |
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What forerunners ship? The huge Forerunners ship that we see later is on the second Halo, not Earth.
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Darkreapr
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6. February 2005 @ 11:12 |
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No the Forerunner ship Truth jumped to Earth with after leaving High Charity.
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Schaeffer
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6. February 2005 @ 11:13 |
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Are you saying that the ship he jumped on looks like a pyramid that is already on Earth? Like there is already a Forerunner ship on Earth? If there was one on Earth we would have cracked it open by now.
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Darkreapr
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6. February 2005 @ 11:15 |
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Well......in a way I thought it resembled one of the old pyramids in Egypt because of the triangular shape of the ship.
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Schaeffer
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6. February 2005 @ 11:20 |
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I was really aggrivated that they didn't finish it. But it may have been quite difficult to do so with all that was left of the storyline. There better not be a fourth, because I know that they can finish it now. Another thing, the portion of the Covenant race that has defected (Arbiter, grunts, elites, hunters) how are they just going to put aside the fact that they are in a holy war? It's not like the Humans and Covenant are just fighting for economic reasons or territory. They are killing us because their gods say so. 500 years from now I sure hope we aren't using guns as we know them.
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Darkreapr
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6. February 2005 @ 11:28 |
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I dont think that the Elites, Grunts, or Hunters know what to believe in anymore now that they found they have been lied to by the Prophets. I hope that we evolve way past guns in the next 500 years cause if their really is inteligent life out there and we still have guns around, and they are advanced, what do u think the stronger race will do to the weaker race?
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Schaeffer
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6. February 2005 @ 11:42 |
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Kick their asses! I don't know why they did what they did to the pistol. Man it is useless now. It has no scope, no automatic fire, and no power. However I love what they did to the assualt rifle. it is more like an M-16 now. Is there anything definate, I mean written down, that Halo 3 will be on Xbox 2? Or when Xbox 2 will come out? Because I tell ya, there wouldn't be an opening more grande than to open up a new bad ass system with the final sequal to the best game gamers have ever known.
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Darkreapr
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6. February 2005 @ 11:49 |
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Yea what they did to the assault rifle was awsome. I especialy like what they did to the Rocket launcher with the homing capabilities.
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haloxbox
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6. February 2005 @ 12:23 |
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yeah they made it sweet with that rocket
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Master05
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6. February 2005 @ 12:51 |
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I personally believe that the Arc is some kind of safe
zone located on the planet of Earth. The Forerunners,
whom I believe are the humans as well, left it on their
home planet in order too have a place to survive when all
the Halo's went off. Yes, I think that the Forerunners
wanted to destroy all life anywhere, except themselves. I
also think that there was a Halo near every solar system
(or galaxy, depending on the blast radius) in order to
destroy the Flood if the need came. Eventually, the
Forerunners decided that everyone must be killed, for
some reason, and detonated the Halo's. A few failed to
do their job, and those are the ones we have seen in the
Halo series. Als, to get rid of any evidence, the
Forerunners went about destroying each Halo. They left
the ones that didn't go off originally, as a precaution.
Then they found out that there were Flood harbored on
the Halos, and they needed to destroy them. Then the
Prophets came along and destroyed the Forerunners, and
kept the Halos there as a memory of there victory. Many
years later, as the Prophets began to die off, the
survivors found the Covenant races, and preached tales
of a great people, the Forerunners. The Halos were told
to be a sign of there power. The Prophets didn't tell that
they had destroyed the Forerunners, they made it seem
that they had died off. Then, the Prophets found
humans, and ordered them to be destroyed, so the lies
they had spread would not be exposed. That is why the
Covenant were so set on killing the humans, to obey the
Prophets, who had made it seem that the humans would
destroy and befoul the Forerunners holy ground. The
Prophets didn't know that the humans had no memery of
being the Forerunners. You see, the Halo nearest Earth
was one of those that had malfunctiones, so the Arc had
never been use. But then, when the Humans had
destroyed it, the device went off, and all died, except for
several, who were severely mutated, ala:the green blob
in Halo 2. There were also children left alive, as they
seemed immune to the blast. The kids were raised as
humans, not Forerunners. They had no memory of there
parents. Then the mutated ones left, taking up residence
on the Halos, and history as we know it happened. Then,
not long before the first Halo, when the Covenant
showed signs of anger, the mutated ones intervened,
and the Spartan program was instituted, in the hopes of
preserving the human race. Then everything in the series
happened.
This is all purely speculation, by me, a bored kid, but it
gives a little bit of religious meaning to the Arc, hence
the name. Sorry for the lack of paragraphs, I kind of
started rambling. Give me some feedback!
Happy birthday! I just turned 13 as well.
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Master05
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6. February 2005 @ 13:03 |
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Sorry for the double post, I just thought of something. I
din't read through all the posts, so some of my ideas
may be similar to others.
And why did the Covenant not expect the Humans to be
on Earth? Because of the explosion. The Forerunners
must have thought that all life had ended at the time of
the detonation. Humans, they thought, were from
somewhere else (because the Forerunners didn't ever let
their homeworld be discovered.) But one of the Oracles
must have said something about the Arc, or a Prophet
had a revelation, most likely Regret, but the Covenant
didn't trust the lack of information against the majority
of the Prophets' word.
Maybe, just possibly an Elite, the real Heretic, perhaps,
found out that the Prophets were lying, and they dd their
whole ciil war thing. The Grunts just had allegience to
the Elites, and the stupid Hunters and Jackal still
worshipped the Prophets.
Of course, all this ties ino my other theory, so if you
hated that, then disregard this. I know my idea has plot
holes(rather large ones) but I had a lot of time onmy
hands today. I id did just make it up from scratch so be
easy on your judgement.
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NovusVir
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6. February 2005 @ 14:01 |
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The Halos are not weapons of the detonating type. They only destroy Sentient life, the life that harbors the flood. Nothing else but sentient life will work, so animals are not affected. The Hunters are not affected because: one, there are few of them, and two, because they are actually made up of symbiotic lifeforms inside the armor.
There are only, and have been only 7 Halo instalations, and they alone can destroy all sentient life. The halos were created to study and if need be, contain it.
as for your prophet theory, it is complete bs. the prophets and elites started the coventant, and they don't have a high enough level of technology to have defeated the forerunners. the forerunners destroyed themselves with the halos (although I don't believe completely destroyed)
And i think that they want the humans destroyed because they are jealous that they are favored by the forerunners (because humans are the only ones who can activate the rings).
That whole mutated thing made no sense whatsoever.
but the covenant didn't know humans would be on earth because they only knew the coordinates of earth, the covanant found a stone left by the forerunners which contained the coordinates, they didn't know that humans lived there.
the reason i think the prophets knew about he rings before they found them is because they found a couple of temples on the planets occupied by the races in the covenant.
If you look at the scene in the game, where the prophets are addressing the council, you can see that there are several of the prophet race, but the three main prophets (Truth, Mercy, Regret) are Hierarchs, the main leaders of the Covenant
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Darkreapr
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6. February 2005 @ 14:20 |
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And why wouldnt an animal be affected by the halos going off? Are they not sentient beings?
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Darkreapr
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6. February 2005 @ 14:27 |
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Now that I have had time ti think of why you dont see any Hunter-Flood forms is not because of the multiple symbiotic lifeforms, I think its because of the ammount of radiation emmited by the fuel rod guns the Hunters have Borenes Syndrome in which their body has so much radiation the the infection forms rarely get to altering the Hunters DNA.
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NovusVir
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6. February 2005 @ 14:36 |
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only beings like humans and the covenant races are sentient
sen·tient
1. Having sense perception; conscious: ?The living
knew themselves just sentient puppets on God's
stage? (T.E. Lawrence). (dictionary.com)
(Darkreapr, good point, i forgot why Johnson couldn't be infected, and it makes sense that the hunters would have it too.)
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Darkreapr
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6. February 2005 @ 14:41 |
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Ahh I forgot what the definition for sentient was, I thought it was anything living which could feed the flood. Thanks NovusVir. :-p
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Master05
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6. February 2005 @ 14:57 |
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How do you no all this, NovusVir? Did Bungie disclose it?
I told you guys, I just made all that up. I didn't post it
because I thought it was true, I just thought it was a
good idea. I like to write, so maybe I will change the
wording around, and make it a plot outline for a new
story (I already have several 100 page ones), Anyway, I
am sorry if you took my posts too literally, and I would
appreciate it if you shared some more information that I
obviously missed somewher. I didn't read the books, I
don't research Halo plots, I just wrote. It s fun. So I do it,
and don't likeit when people flame my ideas without
coming up with better ones (or proof). So unless anyone
has anything positive to say, I will just delete the little
outlines, and say that I was wrong and I shouldn't post
my ideas anymore. Would that be good?
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NovusVir
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6. February 2005 @ 14:59 |
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Well, i know it because i paid very close attention to the game and have read all the books.
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Master05
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6. February 2005 @ 15:06 |
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Oh yeah, and I didn't put that I thought the Halos were detonating weapons, I just lack ed a better word to use. It is clear to anyone who has played Halo that this is not the case.
I didn't read the books. So, give us non-readers some info on what we are missing. Please.
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