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Taiyo Yuden Discs
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chas0039
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28. February 2005 @ 12:15 |
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pavement
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28. February 2005 @ 13:51 |
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Yeesh...seems the more I learn, the more confusing this all becomes. I ordered the TY's and downloaded DVD info after seeing Jim Dandy's post. According to DVD info, both the new TY's and the TDK's I'd been using are both burning flawlessly (or have no reported errors)and the back of the discs look fine. I use labels on some, but not on others.
Still, none of this seems to be a good indicator of how the dvds will play on the two or three players I use. On almost every disc I burn there are times throughout when the picture will 'snag', or pause, for the briefest of times, maybe a half second. This I can live with. Other times, the picture will pause indefinitely, and I'll have to access scene selection many times to watch the rest of the film. What's really weird is that my dvds play best on my crappiest player, a $60 Apex I bought three years ago...
Anywho, I thought buying the TY's might fix this, but apparantly not. The only other variable I'm unable to consider is DVD info's PIE/PIF 'jitter' test--I have no idea what this is all about, or what a good read looks like.
In any event, since we're discussing the quality of the TY discs and whether it is worthwhile to buy them, and based on this information, is there any reason I should continue with the TY's rather than trying another brand? When people speak of the great TY quality, does this also have something to do with the life of the disc? Or something else I haven't considered?
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chas0039
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28. February 2005 @ 17:12 |
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pavement,
PI/PIF testing will help give an indication of the quality of the burn. Only some burners support this type of testing. A ton of information is available over at cdfreaks.com. As to TY, I have seen nothing in the scans I ran on these Value discs that would give me any hesitation whatsoever. I would buy more in a minute. I sort of have faith that the worst from TY is better than the best from most others. They still burn better than anything else I have. As to your problems, what kind of burner do you have? That can make a big difference.
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aabbccdd
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28. February 2005 @ 20:22 |
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and btw mine were TYGO2 great media.
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robtwilk
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25. March 2005 @ 09:10 |
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I just ran Nero's disc quality test on a YUDEN000 T02 disc that I burned. I have never done this before, but I think the news is bad. See below:
General Information
Drive: SONY DVD RW DRU-720A
Firmware: JY02
Disc: DVD+R (YUDEN000 T02)
Selected speed: Maximum
PI errors
Maximum: 29
Average: 2.33
Total: 22639
PI failures
Maximum: 23
Average: 0.53
Total: 7240
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Scanning statistics
Elapsed time: 9:53
Number of samples: 125619
Average scanning interval: 1.14 ECC
Glitches removed: 2
What does this mean? All of my discs play perfectly in all five standalone players. One is even a six year-old Sony 200 DVD jukebox. Are there other tests I should try?
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25. March 2005 @ 09:45 |
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kchev
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25. March 2005 @ 12:25 |
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the only really bad number is the PIF spike of 23
it is hard to tell without looking at graph
as long as it 1 isolated spike it is not that bad
you want the PIF to stay under 4
you want the PIE to stay under 280
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robtwilk
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25. March 2005 @ 16:19 |
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Here's the results from DVDInfo (for some reason I can't copy and paste the graph - any ideas?).
The PI peak was 5 and the PIF peak was 4. The graph shows only 1 peak that high for both. These look better than Nero. The total errors were a fraction of what Nero showed.
Both tests showed zero CRC read errors.
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kchev
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26. March 2005 @ 13:25 |
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i have read that dvdinfopro is not as accurate and as cd-dvd speed and kprobe
it will read back usually lower numbers
i have accurate and good results with cd-dvd speed and kprobe :)
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akyllonen
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26. March 2005 @ 20:52 |
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Been using supermedia store TYG02 from the $37 dlvd special. Been seeing a few gliches in playback. Pixelation(very slight) and a couple discs have froze/jumped ahead to next chapter(sopranos/MST3K). I have a Sony DRU710 and have been burning with DVDShrink/DVD Decrypter. Set at 4x. THe discs are lables as Taiyo Yuden Value 4x, but Decrypter says the burn at 2x,4x,8x. Any ideas why these would "glich out" so often???
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fancymojo
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26. March 2005 @ 23:33 |
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300 burns with no problems!!!!
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robtwilk
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27. March 2005 @ 10:55 |
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@akyllonen - I believe that TYG02's discs are 8x. I read in this thread or a similar thread that the 01's are 4x and the 02's are 8x. So either you had a typo or the order got mixed up. Speaking of which I also read that supermediastore has been sending 8x when people order 4x - but that's something I can't state as fact, as it was secondhand info.
I have seen for myself and read that defragging your drive may give you better results. Also make sure virus protection and other programs that eat up memory or read your drive are not running.
Do you have Shrink's "burn options" set to Booktype DVD-ROM and Burn at least 30mm (high compatibility mode)? I use Decrypter/Shrink/Nero with my Sony 700A and 720A with great results.
@kchev - I figured DVDInfo was a little on the optimistic side.
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akyllonen
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27. March 2005 @ 16:29 |
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My TYG02's were label on the shrinkwrap as 4x, but I assume they are actually 8x due to the media code. They came from Supermediastore so I assume they sent me 8x. I ran one of the problem burns through Nero Scan Disc; plus the PIE/PIF test. Results as follows:
Scan Disc came back with no errors.
PIE/PIF....
PI Errors
Max 29
Avg. 11.81
Total 132028
PI Failures
Max 2
Avg. .01
Total 35
Quality Score 92
Not sure how to read these results....
I'm going to try some Memorex(Ritek-G05) and some TDK(CMC) to see the comparison when I get out of work.
I'll try the defrag Tuesday as well and report any findings.
What about cleaning the lens??? How often should that be done?
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robtwilk
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28. March 2005 @ 16:45 |
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I run my DVD drive cleaning disc whenever I start noticing problems, but should probably do it more often based on the high usage.
I have used the Memorex 8x, which are better than their 4x - but no where as good as the Sony 8x (TY02) media that I started using. I have backed up 75 movies on the Sony's. My only coaster was software related, which I fixed.
My 100 TY02's from Rima did not arrive yet today, so I can't give you my test results yet.
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kchev
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29. March 2005 @ 03:26 |
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robtwilk
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29. March 2005 @ 10:39 |
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My TY02's from Rima.com arrived late yesterday. The two 50 packs arrived 2 business days after I ordered them! They have the same media code as my Sony 8x's (YUDEN000 T02). The code on the data side near the hub is TG001158, my Sony's have TG001133.
I have burned two perfect discs so far, with a little better test results than the Sony's. They both play perfectly in my oldest, pickiest Sony 200 DVD Jukebox.
At $.43/disc, $4 shipping, no sales - they are a great price for 1st Class media.
My only negative is the shiny silver surface is very shiny and difficult to write on with my Sharpie permanent markers. The Sony 8x discs have a very smooth, slick, almost white surface. It is the best surface for labeling with a marker that I've experienced in two years. Casio makes a disc labeling system that can work with or without a PC - I might try that in the future. Inkjet printable discs are not required!
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robtwilk
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29. March 2005 @ 10:45 |
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see above - paragraph three should say "no sales tax", not "no sales" - typing faster than thinking!
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akyllonen
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29. March 2005 @ 23:03 |
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Ran a few more through Disc quality checks...pre and post defrag. Notice what may be the problem during disc cleanup though. I had abould 16 gigs in the Trash Can of previous burns.....didn't know they were still in there. Ran a pre defrag DVD through and it came back horrendous with a 44 quality score. The scan looks like s#$%. The post defrag was quality score of 95. Those were the TYG02's. Gonna run some more(TY's, CMC, and Ritek's) today and will post the results.
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alexgt
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2. April 2005 @ 07:34 |
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JLebowski
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2. April 2005 @ 08:51 |
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"Casio makes a disc labeling system that can work with or without a PC - I might try that in the future. Inkjet printable discs are not required!"
Yeah, if you want your disc to look like homemade peices of crap. The r200 does and awesome job of printing on inkjet printables. My friends can't tell the difference between the original and the backup
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roeod4
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2. April 2005 @ 19:24 |
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Ok, I have been reading all the posts in this thread. It seams like a bunch of people are getting really worked up about these discs. I am on my 8th 100 pack of these discs and have been using them for everything from video to data. I have had no coasters, no crc errors, and no problems getting a movie to play on any of my 6 different dvd players or those of my family and friends. Instead of people wondering if they got ripped off or not, when they are having problems, they should be asking one really important question.
Have any members with a solid proven burning method that are used to using TY's had any problems with these discs in any way, shape, or form?
I can say for myself that I have a pretty good method and after 800 discs and absolutely 0 errors or problems I am satisfied with the quality of the merchandise I am receiving.
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3. April 2005 @ 00:05 |
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1,000+ burns on the TYG01's from supermedia w/ less than a dozen coasters (those being from a firmware update that went horribly wrong-my fault). i've already gone through 3 drives (burners) with my 4th running smoothly right now. from MY own experience, this media works and lasts longer than my actual drives :) TY is ALL i use now~ and will continue to use until another drive dies on me, but even then, will have these TY's waiting until i get a drive replacement.
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adderal
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3. April 2005 @ 09:24 |
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i've gone through only 310-320 TYG01's so far ..not near as many as the two posters above... but i must concur, awesome quality.. and one defective disc so far, it looked like a object had got between they two plastic layers of the disc... rest of that spool was absolutely fine
i stopped using shrink awhile back and i use DVD Rebuilder with CCE sp , i recommend the transition if u know the difference between a transcoder (dvdshrink) and an encoder like cinemacraft's cce... lil bit more time, but better quality rips that won't be laughed at by vcdquality peeps ... 4-6 pass CCE is definitely where its at ... Shrink is great for speedy rips, but i find more and more that id rather take the time and gain the quality over quanity
Shrink still is damn good for episode dvd's
i'm glad i have 200 more of these left ...31$ is an amazing price for 100
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 3. April 2005 @ 09:25
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robtwilk
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3. April 2005 @ 18:20 |
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CompUSA has the 50pk of Sony 8x +R media on sale again for $19.99. This is the same sale I hit a few months ago. If you buy the packs that say "made in Japan", you will get the TYG02's, not the SONY08D1's. I bought 6 packs today.
These Sony's are still my favorite blank media, although the TYG02's from Rima.com have been awesome too. The 100pk of TYG02's I recently bought are producing flawless backups at 8x.
I'm no media guru, but I am guessing if you buy any of the media mentioned above or posted by some of the senior members and you're getting bad burns - it's not the media!
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akyllonen
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3. April 2005 @ 21:13 |
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I have pretty much finished my disc quality tests on around 30 or so burns. Mostly the TYG02's from supermediastore. I also did some Memorex RITEKG05's and some TDK-CMC-MAG. I had a few TY's with poor results, but after my defrag they are all coming out awesome now. As few as 5 failures total on a full burn! The RITEK's were OK and the CMC-MAG's as you all can guess were horrible. I'll post the spreadsheet to show how far ahead in quality the TY's were in my testing. I'm gonna add some more memory to my system as well to try to improve on the quality a bit more...I'm never totally satisfied w/o perfection.
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