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brobear
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17. February 2005 @ 13:20 |
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Using DVD Shrink 3.2.0.15 to back up Shark Tale is no more difficult than any other DVD. The file size is only 7.56GB for the entire disc, nothing overly large. Initial compression of the Main Movie is 52.7%. If one only wants to back up the Main Movie with a functional menu, select the Extras and under Compression Settings select Still Image. If you don't need the French and Spanish audio, uncheck 3 and 4 under Audio. Under Subpicture uncheck the French and Spanish; 2, 3, 5, and 6. That leaves the compression for the Main Movie at 85.3%. That means the movie is only being compressed 14.7%. The level is so low, you don't need the deep analysis and quality settings that are so time consuming.
There is nothing unusual about the DVD structure of Shark Tale. There is no structural encryption, no unreadable sectors. So, DVD Shrink will rip and encode Shark Tale without the aid of any other software. All you have to do is have a burner. For those wanting to do it on the cheap, there is the freeware DVD Decrypter that burns ISO. CopyToDVD and Nero are also supported to burn automatically.
I just purchased Shark Tale for the kids, so I used Shrink to do a full backup, extras and all. All I deleted was the French and Spanish from the audio and subpicture. That left the Main Movie compression at 57.1%. Compressing the DVD files 32.9% calls for deep analysis and using the quality settings due to the higher compression. I backed up directly from the disc like many do with DVD Shrink. Deep Analysis took over 20 minutes and encoding over 2 hours. The entire backup process runs about 2.5 to 3 hours. (With times like that, I would normally use Rebuilder with Cinema Craft Encoder; the better way to encode a movie by the way.)
I set Shrink to create a HDD file and burn with CopyToDVD. This burner part is optional, but I wanted the HDD files in case something went wrong and I wanted to check it. I let the CopyToDVD burn to a well used Philips +RW disc. My Philips player plays RW so no problem for viewing on the entertainment system (older players don't play RW). Guess what, even using the old RW, the video and sound was excellent on my 60 inch TV.
As I said, this isn't normally the way I back up a movie of this size. I used DVDCopy3 with DVD Decrypter ripped files and backed up the entire disc before experimenting with Shrink. I did no editing at all with the DVDCopy3. The video and audio are excellent on my 60 inch TV and all the extras are there. A plus for DVDCopy3 is that it is also very fast. The entire backup can be done in less than an hour. DVDCopy3 can use AnyDVD and burn on the fly or use Decrypter files from the HDD. DVDCopy3 encodes and burns; so a burner app isn't needed. So, my choice for doing a backup of Shark Tale goes to DVDCopy3 from InterVideo, http://www.intervideo.com .
@Amberly
It appears the problem lies somewhere in what you're doing. When used properly, DVD Shrink does a good job of backing up Shark Tale. Good guides for the app at http://www.dvdshrink.info and comprehensive guides at http://www.doom9.org . If you need to check out the source disc, try DVDInfoPro, http://www.dvdinfopro.com .
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brobear
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17. February 2005 @ 13:26 |
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I don't see why any decent transcoding program wouldn't backup Shark Tale. There is nothing difficult about the DVD, size or structure.
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Amberly
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17. February 2005 @ 13:27 |
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I'm not doing anything wrong. I've done everything that everyone has suggested. still does not work. Just because i'm new to this does not mean that I don't know how to follow directions from other more experienced users. It's probably my POS computer, but not something I've done wrong, so please don't assume that I'm stupid or something.
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brobear
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17. February 2005 @ 13:29 |
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ScubaBud
Obviously you got a good rip and used your software properly. I love those short simple answers. LOL
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brobear
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17. February 2005 @ 13:45 |
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It appears the problem lies somewhere in what you're doing.
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I'm not doing anything wrong.
Then you have a working computer and software setup and you did the backup correctly and there is no problem.
My statement was very broad and your need to defend yourself is just in your own mind. I was saying the problem lies somewhere in what you're doing; whether it is using a faulty PC, software setup, or the methods you're using. If you insist you don't need to review your methods, then others can still benefit from the links I supplied.
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It's probably my POS computer, but not something I've done wrong, so please don't assume that I'm stupid or something.
You're doing something wrong if you're using a PC you know is a POS. Either fix it or buy a new one. Complaining on a forum doesn't do any good. It would be a good idea to get away from the paranoia. No one questioned your intelligence, other than yourself. People were trying to help you, and frankly, it is only your problem if you did or didn't do something wrong.
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Amberly
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17. February 2005 @ 13:53 |
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I wasn't complaining in the forum. I came for help. For some reason i can't explain i can't get a copy of shark tale done. You (BROBEAR) were a condenscending prick ands need to give advice nicely or don't give it all. Just because I'm new to this doesn't mean you need get all high and mighty. Sometimes things don't work, no explaination can fix it.
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brobear
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17. February 2005 @ 15:57 |
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Amberley
Being an asinine boor will win you no awards nor make you look the least bit less foolish than you're acting. You've shown yourself to be both unappreciative and obnoxious. You seem to think the world revolves around you. You're no more than a piece of crap in your own cesspool of existence.
Most of the time I am civil, if not nice. I was being nice by taking the time to do a task I normally do the easy way with another software app.
If you want to act like a juvenile delinquent by taking things personally, go ahead. My analysis of doing a backup of Shark Tale with various software is matter of fact and shows the manner in which it can be done successfully. I was pointing out there is nothing unusual about it. You asked for help and when it's pointed out it is something in your setup, whatever it is; you think someone is being condescending. If you persist in being a paranoid, asinine boor, no one will give a crap about helping you. I regret I even took the time as far as you're concerned. At least the posts may help someone else out. In other words, no problem with Shark Tale other than a piece of crap with a POS computer. You deserve what you have.
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atapp21
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17. February 2005 @ 17:08 |
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Amberly, I just backed up Shark tale using DVD Shrink and thats all. The only problem I had was that on the trailer the timing of the audio is off.
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Amberly
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18. February 2005 @ 16:49 |
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you know what brobear, I really don't care. You're a condescending prick. Everyone else was nice to me, and they didn't try to make me feel stupid or inferior. But you, well you just aren't nice. Just because the programs were not doing something right, does not mean it was my fault. Maybe it was your fault in telling me the wrong thing to do. Or maybe the programs just didn't want to cooperate. who knows, who cares. Next time I have a question, do me a favor and don't post. I don't want your help anymore, especially if you're going to be that way!
Atapp21: thanks for the insight. I'm still having problems, but I've given up for now. I'll try again in a couple of weeks when i've got a few hours to kill.
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ODMENT
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18. February 2005 @ 21:30 |
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Brobear Helps this forum Great And he Rocks.... Go BROBEAR....
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ODMENT
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18. February 2005 @ 21:32 |
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Oh By the way Bor Bear is not a concending Prick he is a Intellengent Prick
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19. February 2005 @ 02:47 |
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Brobear I agree with your comments and I am sure others are appreciative of your advice I know I am, I have learned much. At least enough to use Shrink and make to perfect backups of Shark Tale for my 4 year old grandaughter and had no problems they look great. Keep advice coming
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poeman
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20. February 2005 @ 10:07 |
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Amberly, do not feel alone. I am having the EXACT same problem you are and have tried several different rippers and burners.. to no avail. I have been a computer consultant for years... I am not a newbie. I believe the copy of Shark Tales we have is different from the members who were successful with their copies. I am busy at the moment but plan to get back this copy this evening. I will let you know...
Poeman
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Amberly
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21. February 2005 @ 06:09 |
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Thanks Poeman. It's nice to know I'm not the only one having issues.
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brobear
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21. February 2005 @ 22:34 |
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Amberly
You've shown your colors and everyone sees you for what you are. I could care less about how you feel following your poor behavior. I don't think a person has to act like your "momma" to be helpful. My statements weren't condescending except when pointing directly to your behavior. You're just a rude individual who wants to try to make his presence known. You don't own the forum and I'll post when I see fit. As you appear not to realize, false assertions lead new members into trouble. That's why much of what I stated about Shark Tale and DVD Shrink should be obvious. I regret simple truths are an assault on your intelligence.
As far as doing something wrong; be realistic, if you were doing everything right, you wouldn't have needed to bring your problem to the forum. You wouldn't have a problem. So, try to make sense instead of being an asinine, argumentative, boorish prick.
@Poeman
If your disc is the problem, it would be more likely from a bad press than anything done differently in recording. If it is an original, the store should replace it if bad. The freeware app DVDInfoPro can be used to test the media for errors. Where did the DVD you have come from? The companies don't normally do just a few special encryptions and then do all the others differently just to confound a few people. The encryption is used to make the discs unreadable on recording software and doesn't affect the video quality, such as causing green screens or pixelation. Shark Tale (as most of us have purchased it) has one of the simplest encryptions on the market. The trial version of AnyDVD will tell you what encryption is being used on the info page. That page may have to be selected in the settings.
Something a lot of people may not know, the last version of DVD Shrink went through extensive beta testing to ensure it worked properly. There were nearly 30 versions before the finalized one the public received. It is probably one of the soundest programs available and has a long record of dependability through the successive versions. The author of the program is now working for Ahead, the company that brings us Nero. I would suspect most recording problems to be elsewhere.
Since there are a number of trial programs available, if you think the problem lies with DVD Shrink, try one of the other programs. http://www.intervideo.com this link will allow you to download one of the better recording apps on the market, DVDCopy3. All you have to do is load a ripped DVD to it. AnyDVD from Slysoft is a good app to use, read the product description on the website. http://www.slysoft.com DVDCopy3 from InterVideo will also use files ripped with DVD Decrypter. Also at the Slysoft site is CloneDVD2 which can be used as a full function trial. So, look over the trials and give those a spin. If you get a good recording from those, then we can assume there is a problem with DVD Shrink. It's a common practice to use another app to try a recording to see if the problem is isolated to a particular program.
If the problem is with DVD Shrink and you need help, I'm sure the forum members will be glad to help. By the way, I won't be condescending if I offer help. Only some people suffering from inferiority complexes seem to think so.
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22. February 2005 @ 05:33 |
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For those of you that think that because a DVD is new it can't be the problem I suggest you read this post I wrote around the beginning of the month. I posted it just as a reminder that not all new DVDs are error free. This may be some of the problem listed in this thread.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/157797
Now on the other subject, I have read this thread from the beginning and see nothing to justify the attack on Brobear. Like everyone on here we all just try to help. We are in many cases trying to guess about a fix and do not have access to others computers. That was a completely uncalled for remark. Brobrear doesn't need any help defending himself but I really get burned up when I read these kind of remarks about anyone when they are just trying to help someone. If you don't want our help then don't ask of it on this forum. We can only suggest certain things to try and in some cases may seem too simple to be the problem, but we don't know the amount of knowledge the person on the other end has concerning computers. Enough said.
Jerry
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Amberly
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22. February 2005 @ 08:27 |
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ok, so poeman and i are having THE SAME PROBLEMS. But I'm accused of not doing everything right. but poeman's told that he has a bad disc. I don't get it. can someone explain to me why it is i'm told i'm doing it all wrong, but poeman is told he probably has a bad disc?
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poeman
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22. February 2005 @ 10:30 |
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Problem solved.... Well, I have a successful backup anyway. I used AnyDVD and still received a 'copyright protection failure', a copy of which I will forward in a later post. However, after the third attempt, using AnyDVD with Shrink, I was able to complete a successful pass for a backup. One notable change, however, was the DMA setting. I changed the DMA setting to no DMA. The backup process was quite slow, but was successful. I am not sure if I had the no DMA setting in effect on the previous 2 attempts or only on the successful one. I know, I know, one should only change one thing at a time etc., but I was in a hurry... Bottom line, successful backup using the same shark tales dvd, and using AnyDVD, Shrinkit, no DMA, and Nero to burn. I will try another backup using the exact same setting but with DMA active at a later date. If I have another failure then it is either my driver OR a defective disk that, because of its defect(s), can only be read with DMA off....
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brobear
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22. February 2005 @ 10:38 |
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Amberly
Simple answer to that one. You started your attack before I had a chance to bring it up. As you noticed with Poeman, I stated the possibility of a bad disc and even pointed out a program that is good for checking DVDs. In other words, you sidetracked the help thread with your attack.
I'm glad Jerry emphasized the point about new discs; just because a disc is new doesn't mean it is good and just because it plays on a standalone player doesn't mean it will record on a PC or even play in some cases. When a problem with the video shows up, a person should check the source. With the files ripped with DVD Decrypter, one can check the video files they've ripped by viewing with a player. Most recording suites have a player or one can use a trial. WinDVD6 is available from InterVideo. That will tell you if the files you have ripped are in good enough condition that you want to record permanently to disc. Also testing with DVDInfoPro will indicate if there are problems with bad sectors.
Since the problems are similar, that post is there to help you as well as Poeman. Also, if you are using a bad source, that means you've done something wrong. By the way, having something go wrong isn't always your fault. Being willing to go over the steps, even if you feel you've done everything right is part of the analysis that usually leads to a solution. You know what you've done, we don't. It isn't calling you ignorant or putting you down, but something has to be wrong somewhere or there wouldn't be a problem.
Some questions that come to mind at this point;
is the recording problem limited to just the DVD Shark Tale?
Have you tried a different DVD recording to see if you have better success?
Also, have you checked the source disk (Shark Tale DVD)for errors?
How does the DVD play in a standalone player?
Did you rip the files with DVD Decrypter and view them on the PC?
Have you tried recording Shark Tale with another transcoding app?
Trials for DVDCopy3, http://www.intervideo.com , and ClonedDVD2, http://www.slysoft.com , are readily available for the test. These programs both use the ripped files from DVD Decrypter and use AnyDVD from Slysoft, another good trial.
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22. February 2005 @ 10:51 |
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Nicely said 'Brobear' seems the kiddies are trying to take over the 'sweet shop'.
Over the week-end I found it quite amusing some (senior members one an alledged addict) lol didn't know how to use the re-cycle program.
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keep up the good work Bro'
gringle
El gringle..
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brobear
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22. February 2005 @ 10:53 |
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Poeman
It would be interesting to know what the problem was for sure. If you're back in DMA and the DVD Shrink is working properly with other DVDs, then you are probably right about a faulty version of the Shark Tale DVD. In that case, there wouldn't be many possibilities left. It would be interesting also to see how one of the other transcoding programs handled that particular disk.
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brobear
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22. February 2005 @ 11:03 |
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Thanks Gringle. I took the weekend off. They've been having so much server trouble on AD, I stayed out of the peak traffic. Seems I missed some of the entertainment. LOL
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22. February 2005 @ 11:13 |
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When you could get on the forum you could never answer anything. I would click reply and it would just laugh at me forever.
Jerry
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ScubaBud
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22. February 2005 @ 11:22 |
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A suggestion would be to rent SharkTales from your favorite video store or borrow from a friend for test purposes only of course and try another burn. Rule out once and for all the bad DVD disk theory.
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but something has to be wrong somewhere or there wouldn't be a problem
Is it plugged in??? so to speak <g>
If it is not the disk, then we can finally move on from there and eventual find the answer or answers. I for one would like to know the cause of the problem(s).
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22. February 2005 @ 11:56 |
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i used AnyDVD and CloneDVD and it fits just fine without me reauthoring the movie
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