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brobear
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22. February 2005 @ 12:20 |
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Thanks for the input. Many of the top name apps are getting better at transcoding to the DVD5 media. Programs from last year are no where near as good as the updated versions. So, we are seeing much improved backups from the newer programs; even without editing to lower compression.
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22. February 2005 @ 14:35 |
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It is true about the apps getting better, however I have found that on program may work for one disk, and then not another. So sometimes you may be doing everything right but the it is usually a disk problem. One disk would not back up using dvd deccrypter but would using the old 321 xcopy express, and another would not use xcopy but did fine on decrypter. You just have to experiement.
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22. February 2005 @ 15:24 |
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I guess one has to include users and systems in the equation. To date, I've not run into a DVD that DVD Decrypter couldn't rip. As stop gap measures, Decrypter ripped files for some movies required a patch, but the updated version was quick in coming and the necessity for patches was eliminated. The only difficulty was with a few movies with structural encryption, the unreadable sector encryption. All the other decryption software had similar problems and only now are some of those apps coming on line with updated programs. DVD Decrypter and AnyDVD were among the first to complete the updates. Programs like XCopy and DVD Shrink, that are no longer being updated, have to depend on the updated rippers.
As far as 321 software goes, it is obsolete and becomes more so as technology improves. The software hasn't seen an update since the company folded, meaning any newer encryption can't be broken by the older apps. So, I know of no way that XCopy could ever beat DVD Decrypter in the decryption department. What were some of those movies XCopy would rip that DVD Decrypter couldn't? Lightning UK, the author of DVD Decrypter, might be interested in knowing the titles. To date I've seen several DVDs that DVD Decrypter would break, but not XCopy. The reverse is not the case. I've never seen a case where XCopy would break an encryption that DVD Decrypter couldn't.
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22. February 2005 @ 15:36 |
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Well the problem I encountered was with BBC disk of The Forsyte Saga, decrypter just would not get through the disk but xcopy express did fine, by the same token did backup of Friendly Persuasion (an old movie) and xpress would not do it but decrypter would, go figure
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brobear
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22. February 2005 @ 16:01 |
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Strange... Since I don't have the BBC disc of the Forsythe Saga, I can't check it out. Strange though, as Decrypter has always been a better ripper than the Patin Couffin setup in XCopy. I'll have to see if I can't find that disc just to satisfy my curiosity. I'd not heard of Decrypter having any problems breaking encryption until the studios started with the newer structural encryption; and then Lightning UK was quick to update it. Arniebear, when was it you ran into the problem and what version of DVD Decrypter were you using?
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22. February 2005 @ 16:28 |
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Brobear, you are right about decrypter. You will have to forgive me I have been battling the flu and am still a little under the weather. The problem I hace with Forsyte Saga was not with decrypter but with shrink. Decrypter did its usual good job, but Shrink could not get through analysis of the file, so I ended up using xcopy express. Sorry about the fuzzy logic. You are also right in the fact that decrypter gets through just about anything but a bad disk. I have not had a problem with Little Black Book, The Notebook, or Shark Tale. I do however, have a question for you, if you can answer it I would appreciate it. I have been thinking of purchasing AnyDVD and wonder if I should just purchase that program, or also purchase CloneDVD along with it, is CloneDVD any better, or worse, than other burning programs?
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22. February 2005 @ 16:41 |
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Hi arniebear, Anydvd will run well behind almost any program out there. So if you like using Shrink and want it to work on the new encryptions Anydvd will make Shrink work that way. I have about 8 different ways I can back up a dvd but my first choice for the last year or so has been the CloneDVD/AnyDVD combination. The only time it doesn't work is if the original is defective. My opinion is its one of the best backup combinations out there and they were designed to work together. If you don't mind paying about $70. for both together I suggest you do so. You can't go wrong. Just my opinion for what its worth.
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22. February 2005 @ 16:51 |
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Thanks Jerry, I know the slysoft site has the combo is it okay to get it from them, or is it better to get AnyDVD from slysoft and CloneDVD from elaborate bytes, I want to make sure I get the right programs.
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brobear
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22. February 2005 @ 17:38 |
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Same program, in fact the one from Slysoft loads into the Elaborate Bytes folder in the Programs folder of Windows.
Jerry covered AnyDVD fairly well, it works well with most apps. It runs behind Shrink and helps process those unreadable sectors from the new encryption systems. Any of the programs with obsolete rippers like XCopy and DVD Shrink can benefit from AnyDVD's up to date capabilities. Since the newer programs no longer have a ripper, they have to have a ripper like DVD Decrypter or AnyDVD. I leave AnyDVD running all the time, even when using DVD Decrypter. I figure since I have it, why not?
I own CloneDVD2 as well as the InterVideo DVDCopy3. As far as a transcoder, DVDCopy3 is my choice. CloneDVD2 is a good program and simple and easy to use. In the past I've found the DVDCopy3 to have a bit better quality and I've grown accustomed to using it as my first choice. For the higher compression projects though, I go with Rebuilder and Cinema Craft Encoder (RB/CCE).
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23. February 2005 @ 02:20 |
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Brobear, thank you for your input I will definitely purchase AnyDVD and CloneDVD. I do like better quality in my movies. You do not notice it so much on the smaller televisions but definitely notice on the widescreens. I have been using Shrink with the quality settings and even though it takes longer I get a much better backup. I have learned from forums about the different media and now use only Verbatim and TDK. I did not know there was a difference before and purchased Liquid Video, made by Optodisk, which I later found out was bottom of the barrel, thanks to reading AfterDawn. Talk about skipping and pixellation. I do not recommend these to anyone.
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23. February 2005 @ 02:53 |
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i backed up shark tale in its entirety, bonus features and all, using decrypter and shrink without any problems and the quality loss isn't that noticeable, not to me at least.
me too...
lets keep the process simple...
and it does fit on a DVD-5, with the extras and everything else..
shrink and dvdidle
or shrink and AnyDVD will do the trick
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24. February 2005 @ 17:19 |
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I used AnyDVD & Shrink, but what I had to do was edit out the Spanish, French and most subtitles.
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brobear
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24. February 2005 @ 19:29 |
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wolf307
Unless you want those other languages in Audio, it's usually a good idea to uncheck them. With Shrink, it's just a couple clicks of the mouse. That's usually just for minor improvements in compression. Are you using the quality settings and deep analysis?
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wolf307
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24. February 2005 @ 19:33 |
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26. February 2005 @ 15:28 |
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Just did a perfect copy using DVD Xcopy Platinum 4.0.3.8 usign simple [uncheck full disk] mode.
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