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16X DVD+R Media Question
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RobertSB
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22. February 2005 @ 16:50 |
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My brother recently purchased a Dell Dimesion 8400 desktop which came with a Philips DVD8601 16X DVD+R/RW which turns out to be a +R only burner. I can't find any info on media compatability with this drive. I initialy recommended Taiyo Yuden 8X DVD+R but am not sure if it will burn @12X on this drive (would like to achieve 12X at least). Has anyone used the Ritek 16X DVD+R media? I figured Ritek 16X would have to burn at least 12X but am concerned about recomending 16X media which I have not used. If anyone has this drive and can tell me if TY's burn @12X or any experience w/ the 16X Ritek's it would be greatly appreciated!!!
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dumbfuker
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23. February 2005 @ 09:03 |
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I'm afraid I can't give any specifc information about that particular drive but I will offer a general comment, just for what it's worth. A lot of people will recommend burning no faster than 4x, and I tend to follow that advice myself. That being said, I've experimented a bit with speeds up to 12x (Sony media I believe....don't recall the media code) with no problems. You may think me overly cautious, but the few extra minutes it takes to burn at 4x is no big deal for me.
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23. February 2005 @ 12:54 |
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Hey robertsB, some of the 8x media will allow me to burn up to 12x and 16x. Sony + 1-8x media,both japanese,"ty" and taiwanese,"sony d11".
I can get 12x out of verbatim datalife plus +8x. Many other members also reporting their firmware allowing these speeds from this same media.
I usually burn at 4x.Some stand alone players will not read your backups if the burn speed was too fast.
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SethG
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24. February 2005 @ 08:48 |
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How do you burn at a speed higher than the rating though? Nero and DVD Decrypter both won't.
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nwfcs1
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24. February 2005 @ 09:18 |
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I purchased Ritek RiData DVD+R 16x media and have had no issues so far. I am using a BenQ DW1620 externally connected via USB2.0 and achive 12x burns using DVD Decrypter and/or DVD Shrink. The good part is you can purchase the media for .45 to .50 per disk (in bluk)
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SethG
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24. February 2005 @ 09:48 |
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What software are you using to burn it?
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DogBomb
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24. February 2005 @ 14:03 |
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Some media will burn at speeds higher than the certified speeds they are sold as - i.e., Verbatim 8X will burn at 12X, Ridata 4X will burn at 8X. Usually, it's only with the better media like Taiyo Yuden, but it really depends on your burner. There are firmware hacks out there too, but anything higher than the rated speed is at your own risk.
To the owner of the Philips, http://www.videohelp.com/dvdwriters.php?DVDnameid=704&Search=Search&list=2#comments
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24. February 2005 @ 14:10 |
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I just ran into a spindle of maxell +8x.I didn't even know I had them because they were mixed in with my maxell +4x spindles. Those will let me burn at 12x.
Media code: maxell-002-00
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SethG
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24. February 2005 @ 14:59 |
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But basically the only way to burn the 16X Ridata's at 8X is to have hacked firmware?
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mrchub
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24. February 2005 @ 15:36 |
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In my experience using both a Plextor 16x and Sony 16x burner, I've gotten great results burning at the full 16x using Verbatim's 16x media (available on sale often in 25-packs from various places). I've burned maybe 40 and haven't yet seen any indication that flying through the burn at that speed is any less reliable than using slower speeds.
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SethG
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24. February 2005 @ 15:56 |
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The problem is that Ridata 16X discs do not contain a write descriptor for 16X, only 8X. So, you have to overclock your burner, or whatever they call it when you tell the DVD burner to burn an 8X dvd at 16X.
I guess, I'm the only one here who does not know how to do this.
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SethG
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24. February 2005 @ 16:00 |
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Let me correct that, I was initially responding to the guy with the Ridata 16X's. The Verbatims seem to work really well, I picked up a pack, but Memorex burners seem to have firmware issues with them and spend 5 minutes on lead in/ lead out. And then 4 minutes burning the disc! So anywhere from 9-15 minutes with lead-in/lead out.
Of course Memorex seems to have a firm policy of not updating firmware.
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nwfcs1
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24. February 2005 @ 18:54 |
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I'm not sure exactly what Seth is talking about. But, All I know is when I use Ritek Ridata DVD+R 16x media in my BenQ DW1620 DL drive, the media is recognized by the drive as having a maximum write rate of 16x. For me, the software I am using does not dictate the write speed of the media, because that is determined when the drive reads the media. The only reason I am unable to write at the full 16x of the media is because I am using my drive externally, via USB2.0 and the fact I am only using a Celeron 2.4M Processor in my laptop, and thus am limitied to writing at 12x. I can attest to no errors and with BenQ's book type utility, I am able to write DVD-ROM disks that have been readable in every stand alone player (new and old) so far.
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SethG
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24. February 2005 @ 19:06 |
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That's so strange. Here's the DVDinfopro data from my set of Ridata 16X. It shows a max write speed of 8X, which is why Nero locks it out to a max of 8X.
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID RITEK R04
Media Product Revision Number 01h
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 405405696
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type DVD+R
Media Type DVD+R
Manufacturer Rated Speed Unknown
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Data area starting sector 30000h
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1
Complete Media Code
00000000 08 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.?
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 07 52 49 54 45 4B 00 00 00 52 .......RITEK...R
00000020 30 34 01 38 23 54 37 09 00 4A 6C 00 8C 66 19 1B 04.8#T7..Jl..f..
00000030 0C 0C 0C 0E 01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0E 01 00 00 00 00 ................
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nwfcs1
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24. February 2005 @ 19:17 |
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Seth: Try using DVD Decrypter. When it detects the media, it will tell you what write speeds are available. When I load the Ritek 16x media, it says that all write speed are available, up to the max of my drive, which is 16x. If i load only 4x media, DVD Decrypter says the max write rate is only 4x since that is what the drive detected the media maximum write rate as.
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SethG
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24. February 2005 @ 19:33 |
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Hmmm... DVD Decrypter reports a max of up to 8X only, matching the DVD info pro data. Can you run dvdinfopro and check the data on your media? Perhaps yours is correctly branded?
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nwfcs1
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24. February 2005 @ 19:43 |
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You are missing the point of what i've been saying: Your drive is detecting the media with a maximum write rate of 8x. I've seen this before with a bulk purchase of media. Not all the disks had the same write rate, indicating inconsistancies with the disk media. In that case, I purchased 8x dvd+r media and 7 of the 50 disk would only write at 4x, no matter what I tried. Since you didn't indicate what drive you are using, it maybe either a bad batch of disks or a limitation of your drive, of which maybe a firmware update might resolve. Also, depending on the return policy of the vendor you purchased the media from, you should request a refund.
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SethG
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24. February 2005 @ 20:20 |
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Perhaps it is return time, what I think I've discovered is that every disc has a few "write-descriptors" on them that indicate the allowable speeds that they can be written to. The discs I got appear to not have a listing for 16X, so when I select maximum speed in any software it automatically switches it to 8X.
What seems so strange to me is that your discs automatically work with the software, my guess is that your discs have a write descriptor for 16X and mine do not. If that's not the case then I have no idea, either way it looks like I'm going to have to return them because I've gone through all four cake boxes and I can't find a single disc that is recognized as beyond 16X write ability. What a bummer.
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SethG
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24. February 2005 @ 20:20 |
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Perhaps it is return time, what I think I've discovered is that every disc has a few "write-descriptors" on them that indicate the allowable speeds that they can be written to. The discs I got appear to not have a listing for 16X, so when I select maximum speed in any software it automatically switches it to 8X.
What seems so strange to me is that your discs automatically work with the software, my guess is that your discs have a write descriptor for 16X and mine do not. If that's not the case then I have no idea, either way it looks like I'm going to have to return them because I've gone through all four cake boxes and I can't find a single disc that is recognized as beyond 16X write ability. What a bummer.
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nwfcs1
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26. February 2005 @ 13:39 |
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Seth: Here is the disk id for my media: RITEK-R04-01. I confirmed the disk id with DVD Decrypter.
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RobertSB
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26. February 2005 @ 14:16 |
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Thanks for everyone's input. I must say the thought of not being able to burn a media @ it's advertised speed is scary. I have never encountered or heeard of this.....but thats probably why it says "newbie" under my name!
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jsl
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27. February 2005 @ 14:02 |
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Available write descriptor comes from the drive's firmware, not from the disc. If the manufacturer of your DVD writer has not added 16x support in the firmware for RITEK-R04 you won't be able to select 16x speed this media. Some drives (like BenQ DW1620) support essentially all available 16x media at 16x speed while others (like Pioneer DVR-109) support very few at 16x speed and several at only 4x speed see: http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=128469
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cgl88
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14. March 2005 @ 06:47 |
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For DVD movie burning, does it matter if I burn at DVD+R 16x, 8x, or 4x? I have a Philips 642 player but I want playability across as many dvd players as possible.
People say DVD-R is best for movies, but more players are coming out with th +R readability.
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14. March 2005 @ 13:21 |
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Hello cgl88, Standalone players are the reasons why most people stick to the slower burn speed. They decide how fast that you may burn.Too fast of burnspeed can cause: Pixellation/freezing/jumping/and many other issues.
Using quality media can help keep that burn speed up.You can try the higher speeds,but check them on your stand alone player/s before you make too many of them.You can also use Nero or dvdinfopro to scan your backups for errors if you try the higher speeds.
What format is best for movies? For me, the plus format backups are far more compatable on my stand alones/pc drives/and home recorder.100%. My dad's older/fancier sherwood is the only stand alone that will not play my dash format,using 3 different burners.My benq's allow me to booktype my backups to dvd-rom,making them more compatable.They can only book-type dvd+r media.
Out of 5 burners that I have used,and many-many standalones:for better playability You need:
Quality media
Quality burner
4x burn speed to start-if all backups look great in all those standalones,try 8x.
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