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maxaraxa
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23. February 2005 @ 12:51 |
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I have searched for a thread or guid to this question so please forgive me if there is another area that I need to go to.
I took a look at the disc and saw several vob files...and what I would like to do is burn a disc that will have the main menu which lets me pick which episode to watch and have all the episodes on one disc. The original is 7.47GB, 4 episodes.
What I was thinking was ripping with dvdd and then opening dvdshrink and pulling the vobs over that I want. How do I do this and still have it linked to the main menu? Is this possible with episode discs? Is there a guide to do this? Any advice on how to copy this disc?
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23. February 2005 @ 16:35 |
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I have a feeling this isn't a newbe questions, I'm also waiting to see how?
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23. February 2005 @ 17:21 |
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You would need to use a proggy like DVD Remake to be able to keep just the menu and main movies. You can do just the main movies in Shrink without the menu, but 4 episodes is pushing the quality. I have found that putting two on a DVD works much better. Sometimes you can get buy with 3 on one DVD, but 4 ushually needs to much compression for my liking. If you don't need the menus then shrink is the way to go. The remotes on stand alone DVD players have a button called "Title" and that is how you can switch between episodes so there really is no need for the menus unless you just like them. :-)
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23. February 2005 @ 17:31 |
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BB~thank you for the quick reply. Ok, I do not need the menu, you are right about being able to jump to the next episode... Just to clarify, (I use your guides ..ty ty ty), I use dvdd to rip to hdd and then do I use shrink? How do I rip 2 episodes at a time. Right now I have the whole disc ripped to my hdd. I am not sure how to pull the episodes out. Should I re-rip and do just "main movie" or do I need to open shrink and just look at each vob and try to figure out which ones to pull over?? Do I just do everything as if I were ripping a regular movie...ie:audio just the eng. 5.1...(I do rip in file mode per your guide)
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23. February 2005 @ 17:40 |
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If you have the whole DVD ripped to your HD then all you need to do in Shrink is...
1. Click on reauthor
2. Browse to where you ripped the disk on your HD
3. Once you open the folder you should see several main movie files Probably 4 seeing how you have 4 episodes.
4. Just select the first Main movie and drag it to the left..
5. Do the same for the next Main Movie, and so on
6. Click on Compression Tab and remove all unwanted audio and subtitles.. You have to do that with each and every Title so highlight each one and do this.
7. Then just back up as normal...
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Make sure you preview the main movies sometimes they are not the episodes, but directors talking and junk
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23. February 2005 @ 17:49 |
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Do I need to keep the compression at 4364 or can I do no compression or set it to automatic?
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Hi maxaraxa,
Although your question is a "Newbie" one, it isn't worded very clearly.
I'll try to answer it as I read it -
If you hve a commerical DVD of the X-Files and you wish to copy it as it is, with it's menu and episodes together THEN, I would rip it with DVDD in the ISO Read Mode (to catch every neuance of the original) then pick it up with DVD Shrink (file - open disc image) then I would use the Backup / Quality Setings set at Maximum Sharpness and Deep Anaylsis then burn to disc in ISO Write Mode with either DVDD or CopyToDVD. (I have been using CopyToDVD for my current work of The Wire, Season 2). You will have everything on the backup that's on the original so good that it would be almost impossible to tell the difference with the naked eye - NO, No naked eye jokes - My eyes were "sweats" only a night.
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If you are compiling a DVD from recorded episodes (your question didn't lQQk that way BUT (?) it's hard to tell ~
Anyway, rip it with DVDD in the ISO Read Mode (to catch every neuance of the original) then use DVDLab to combine and create menus as you wish then send to Recode2 to burn to disc - Some editing may be done in Recode2 without losing menu. Again, I suggest using the ISO Write Mode so if there any extra angles you'll still maintain them.
If you aren't worried about your menus, use DVD2One in the "Join" - "Non-seamless" - "Mode".
Cheers,
Pete
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DVD Shrink ver. 3.2.0.15 - http://www.dvdshrink.org/
DVD Decrypter - http://www.dvddecrypter.com/
DVD2One - http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/dvd-r_tools/dvd2one.cfm
DVDLab - excellent custom menu and authoring tool
http://www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/
Nero recode2 - http://www.ahead.de/us/632261771103079.php
If you are using Recode, there is a helpful guide to help you in my sig. ~
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If you want them to fit on one DVD5 disk you need to keep the compression at 4364 or lower. You could just leave it on automatic, but now that you are doing this you can see why I said you should only do 2 to 3 episodes on one disk hu? I ushually stick to 2 episodes on the ones I like, but when I do the Buffy episodes for my daughter I go with 3 :-)
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23. February 2005 @ 18:07 |
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Scuba~I have rented The XFiles Season One, Discs 1 and 2 and there are 4 episodes on each disc that I would like to burn. I would like to be able to burn the disc as it is with menus, to keep it as intact as possible but being that the disc is 7.49 GB I didn't think you could do that and have it fit on the disc.I am confused ....
So are you saying that I just need to rip using iso-read mode and then open with shrink and skip re-author and go straight to back up with those settings and then open ddvd and find the iso image and burn on one disc? I don't have to do 2 episodes per disc???
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You can do it that way but quality will not be to good (from my experiance of doing these same exact disks) The compression will be a lot if I remember right its somewhere in the 50% to 60% range even after taking out all the extras and making menus still images. You can give one a try on RW media to see how it works for you if you want. You did say you already have the disk ripped on your hard drive so you can click on open files in DVD Shrink instead of open ISO and then follow Petes advise from there.. :-)
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BB~I have been using your guide and it is so simple to follow and I have not had any probs so I think I will follow your advice. I will probably out of curiousity do it both ways just to see...when I open shrink, those settings are greyed out and I cannot click on those options. I have pulled the 1 and 2 episodes over to the left in shrink. Now when I hit "backup" can I do "ISO image file and burn with dvd decrypter" or should I just save it as an ISO image file and then open decrypter on my own? The 2 episodes show 3258 GB so I guess I don't need to compress, correct?
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You can do it either way. What ever you feel most comfortable with. I ushually Burn with Nero, but again it dosent matter really. Good luck, and I would suggest you try all different ways (thats how you learn) then pick the one you like best. I have just found using Shrink on episode disk's to be easy and fast. Thanks for the feedback on the guides, but if you noticed Pete has a guide there to, and he is much more of an expert at this than me so any advise from him you can bet is very good too... :-)
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23. February 2005 @ 18:37 |
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Ok, ty for all the info and I didn't mean any disrespect to Scuba he has been very helpful also, it is that I need to have it spelled out, neon lights, sledge hammer over the head instructions. So any input on why those settings were greyed out in shrink?
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Which settings??
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23. February 2005 @ 18:43 |
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from Scuba's reply he said to do in shrink:
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Backup / Quality Setings set at Maximum Sharpness and Deep Anaylsis
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Those will be grayed in if you have no compression for the simle fact that you don't need them because you are getting a perfect 1:1 back up.. :-)
You may be able to get 3 episodes on one disk with 3528 being your overall size.. Just drag the third title over to left and see how much compression you get. If its 80% or better you should be good to go, and then you will get those little boxes to check.. :-)
Then again 3 doesn't really go into 8 very good does it? so you may be better off with 2 on each disk.
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I pulled the third title over and kept each title on Automatic and it is showing 4364 and the lowest is 87.7 for compression.
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Then again 3 doesn't really go into 8 very good does it? so you may be better off with 2 on each disk.
Well, I plan on burning the whole season so I am not sure that they will all be 4 episodes per disc, which comes to my next question..If I burn 3 episodes on one disc, and I then rip season disc 2, can I still tell shrink that I still want the last title from season disc 1 and still be able to pull the titles from season disc 2?
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23. February 2005 @ 19:05 |
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Yup.. Just keep track of what you do.. Just do the 3 and 3 this will leave you with 2 episodes left. The easiest way to keep track of those would be to go ahead and do those 2 on to your HD for now until you get the next disk. Then just open up the ISO of those episodes (should be 7 & 8) in Shrink and hit reauthor, then drag each movie over as before then go to the next disk after ripping it to your HD and drag over episode 9.... Its just matter of keeping track of what you are doing and namming them so you can remember.
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23. February 2005 @ 19:09 |
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Okie Dokie, When you say "renamming them" do you mean in shrink or when I rip? I think this will be the last question and then hopefully I will be set to go.
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Just use a naming convention you can easily identify when you back up the disk in SHrink as an ISO to your HD. Something like Xfile_episode7_8.ISO that way you will know exactly what is in that ISO so when you do get the third disk you will have no problem putting those 2 episodes into shrink and then draging in episode 9... :-)
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Well I tried doing it Scuba's way and it didn't work. I deleted the rip I initially did and re-ripped using ISO-read and that was fine. When I went to shrink, I unchecked all the foreign audio and left everything alone. I put shrink on the Automatic compression. When I went to encode (I do shut down everything that I can and close off internet, the only thing I wasn't able to get rid of on the task bar was that stupid XP updater thing)it took forever which I have not experienced before. When it went to burn, it stopped and gave i/o errors, check redundancy, something about a sector not being able to be read...I tried to copy the log but computer crashed...so, I am going to try the 2 on each disc thing and do it using the file mode....and see how that goes. The discs that I am using are Maxell DVD+R's and they are identified as being Hitachi Maxell...
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Max,
Let's go over things - there is no reason why you have to strip your DVD down to back it up.
Hey there Buddy, let's look at your attempt shall we ?
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re-ripped using ISO-read and that was fine.
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When I went to shrink, I unchecked all the foreign audio and left everything alone.
You did that well ~
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I put shrink on the "Automatic" compression
That should be fine -
What I do is use "custom", maximum compression on extras, menus and unreferenced materials (if any are there) leaving the Main titles to "automatic" compression.
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When I went to encode (I do shut down everything that I can and close off internet, the only thing I wasn't able to get rid of on the task bar was that stupid XP updater thing)it took forever which I have not experienced before
I'm not sure what you're referring to - taskbar updater - if it's something that you'r running then shut it off in Task Manager. Anything that you don't need you can turn off there.
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When it went to burn, it stopped and gave i/o errors, check redundancy, something about a sector not being able to be read...
If you adjust DVDD properly you wouldn't get any read errors - Let's take a second and "fine-tune" DVDD. You'll find the directions under "Hard to Rip DVD's" in my sig.
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When it went to burn, it stopped and gave i/o errors, check redundancy, something about a sector not being able to be read...I tried to copy the log but computer crashed...
No worries, What I need to know is what type of a PC are you working with - What are your specs ?
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The discs that I am using are Maxell DVD+R's and they are identified as being Hitachi Maxell...
Probably why your PC crashed - seeing this, you need to reset your DVD target size to "custom" 4300MB in, DVD Shrink - edit - preferences - general tab. The reason ? The discs you're using are of extremely poor quality and probably have little OR un-even dye applied to the outside edge of the disc. We can probably use these dioscs but you'll do a 1,000X better iffin you get some decent discs. Check around - there are some dynamite deals on Verbatim discs about now and they work super -
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so, I am going to try the 2 on each disc thing and do it using the file mode....and see how that goes.
I honestly don't see that as a cure UNLESS from now on you're going to rip all DVD's to 2 discs also. The only reason we were doing this disc in the ISO mode is because too many times when backing up an episodel disc you lose things when doing it in the file mode.. Got a question Max, Why do you backup a good DVD movie to a single disc but not the same size episode disc ? Yea, me too, it's got me lost . . . I'll ask BB -
Hey bbmayo, Perhaps I am confused - do you suggest cutting a DVD movie in 2 because it's 7.47GB as many DVD's are ? Perhaps you would like to write an original guide to reflect that thinking ~
Take a moment out and explain it to me will you ? Perhaps I need to update myself ~
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Well pete the only reason I would cut the episode disk down is because all 4 episodes are actually the full 7GB or so and that is with no extras or nothing. You see the total time of each episode is normally around 45min so 45 x 4 = 180min wich is around 3 hours. So as you can see it will end up with a lot of compression. More than your average movie that you can remove extras and stuff, but on the episodes there ushually isnt much to remove anyway so you are actually shrinking the whole DVD which makes it around 50% compression and to be frank that isn't going to produce a very good copy and will have problems playing on a lot of players. I will always be a big fan of as little compression as possible and with blank DVD's being so cheap you arent really losing nothing by seperating the episodes, but you do lose a lot when trying to put that much data on one DVD. I am not saying you can't put the whole DVD on one disk because you and I know we can. I just in good concious can't tell someone to do it that way when I have tried both and the difference is very noticable. For instance I burnt all 4 episodes of Buffy The Vampire Slayer into one disk and it wouldnt even play on two of my DVD players. Now it did play fine on my other 3, but that just shows the compression hurts. I did the same disk but this time only put 2 episodes on one disk and 2 on another achieving 1:1 copy of the episodes and they played perfectly on everything. I just dont like that much compression on any DVD, and if you have to compress I would look at using CCE or DVDCopy3 instead of Shrink those two proggys will do a much better job at compressing. Now it is like I said DVD's don't cost to much so it couldn't hurt to try backing up the whole disk and see how they work. I was just giving the example of how I do it there are of course other ways and some people just have better luck with different ways, but I truly believe no one will have any problems if they stick with the rule of little to no compression... :-)
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BB little Buddy,
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For instance I burnt all 4 episodes of Buffy The Vampire Slayer into one disk and it wouldnt even play on two of my DVD players. Now it did play fine on my other 3, but that just shows the compression hurts
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· I didn't see anything about compression reflected there - What I did see is standalone compatibility. I know you're not suggesting that anytime a DVD doesn't play on a player it's a compression issue. If that were so, then I have several 3.45GB DVD's that won't play on my Panasonic standalone.
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I just in good concious can't tell someone to do it that way when I have tried both and the difference is very noticable
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· I cannot argue with personal taste as I, on the other hand do not have a HDTV or Plasma set. Though on my 20", 30" and my 65" I can see no difference when backing up a DVD. Speaking of which - I am currently backing up "Ray" (Ray Charles). Stripped of it's extras, trailers, etc it weighs in at 7.33GB and though it may sound abhorrent to you - I am backing it up to a single DVD. Backing movies up in only a 1:1 manner isn't something I've done for quite some time (unless the movie was a smaller size of course). I shall remember that it is your policy to split all DVD's that require, - what shall we say ? More than 10% compression or is that still too much for you ? If we round it up it ? that would come to (using our DVD Shrink DVD Target size of 4360MB) let's say 5GB ? That's a bit over that 10% - So anything over 5GB should be split between 2 discs ?
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· I just threw that 10% out there - Please let me know the correct figure that you like working with ?
I don't wish to have this appear that we're arguing, I'm just trying to grasp your reasoning and I'm sure you would like to understood and not be mis-quoted. - I've just seen very few pple coming through here that wish to split their DVD's.
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I'm not sure what you're referring to - taskbar updater - if it's something that you'r running then shut it off in Task Manager. Anything that you don't need you can turn off there.
In XP there is an icon on the taskbar which is a windows automatic updater. I tried using "End Task" but it did not show up there and I click cancel but the little bugger wouldn't go away.
I have a 60GB HDD, 1.7 GHZ processor, 780 MB Ram using Windows XP.
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Probably why your PC crashed - seeing this, you need to reset your DVD target size to "custom" 4300MB in, DVD Shrink - edit - preferences - general tab. The reason ? The discs you're using are of extremely poor quality and probably have little OR un-even dye applied to the outside edge of the disc. We can probably use these dioscs but you'll do a 1,000X better iffin you get some decent discs. Check around - there are some dynamite deals on Verbatim discs about now and they work super -
I was led to believe that these were good discs, that if the dvd identifier showed the manufacturer as Hitachi or Taiyo Yuden or Ritek, then they were good discs, am I wrong? I made sure it said MADE IN JAPAN before I bought them.
I have read your Hard To Rip DVD's and will to do it that way. I naturally would prefer to copy disc to disc but I do not want to lose quality. I am a big XFile nut and this would probably be the only series that I would do. I have not had any problems burning reg. movies using BB's way, the episodes were just a little more tricky, wasn't sure with all the files...plus the fact that the main movie could also be director junk....
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