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ScubaPete
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24. February 2005 @ 19:52 |
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Hey Max,
You have 2 out of 3 right-on.
Taiyo Yuden or Ritek are indeed good quality discs for the most part, new info has been released today which bears me looking into BUT we'll stand by those 2 - The discs made by Hitachi are ones with which I have issues. Mitsubishi on the other hand is a manufacturer I would include with the TY's and the Ritek as ones to get -
I know it seems confusing - it's confusing to the industry too. The government is even looking into some sort of standardization so at least you and I aren't alone :)
I too am a big Files Nut - I haven't missed an episode - I'm waiting for the movie to be released as a DVD.
As far as episodel DVD backups, I do quite a few of them:
Wonder Woman, SHAZAM, The Shield, The Token (excellent one, you have GOT to get that one), The Soprano's (Seasons 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6), The Wire (season 1 & 2), Lost in Space (Season 1, 2), The Six Million Dollar Man, MASH Season (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) and Sex in the City, season 1.
Yep, that's about it ? Anyway, a decent disc will make all the difference ? Pickup some Sony's, Verbatim's (great sales going on at Best Buy and Comp USA).
When I said t look at the "Hard to Rip" section ? I meant to use the DVDD settings there for your DVDD ? you then won't have reading or verify errors ? In all the episodel DVD's I've done ? they have come out great ?
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Pete
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maxaraxa
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24. February 2005 @ 20:00 |
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ok, well I guess I am stuck with these Maxells as they are buy 1 get 1 free, 50 pak...ok, I am burning as we speak. I set the dvdd using your settings in the Hard to rip section, when I opened shrink I set the size to 4364 and when I went to browse location, I clicked on VIDEO_TS and it found the rip, I noticed there was an ISO file and MDS file in there, I didn't highlight either one, just said "OK" and shrink pulled over the ISO image. I set shrink to max sharpness and it is encoding right now. As I watch the preview it looks slow....it almost looks like its in slow mo...is this normal?
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24. February 2005 @ 20:53 |
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Yes, it does take time :(
I thought I told you to adjust your DVD Target size to "Custom" 4300MB - Yep, I just looked and it's there - by using 4364MB as BB suggested you're burning to the edge of the disc where the dye app is poor to non-existent.
If this disc makes it, make sure you make that correction for the next one. This is the area where you'll get a coaster.
When you try to burn some place where there isn't any dye OR where it's uneven and when your PC can't write, it will just up and quite on you.
This evening, while I've been chatting with you, I just finished disc 3, 4 and 5 of The Wire, Season 2. Disc 3 was 7.94GB and Disc 4 was 7.84GB and Disc 5 is 7.04GB.
Average time for disc 3 and 4 is about 3 hours (time running on the disc) and the last one I haven't gotten the time on yet.
As far as the time it takes - it's your processor and your RAM that's slowing you down. Quality takes time. I've told you how to do this and have it come out good - you have to give it time.
The issue I have at the moment is - you're working on your PC while you should be letting it work for you.
I run a 2.84Ghz, Pent 4 with 1024MB of RAM and I only type inbetween disc changes. You must learn to do the same OR don't complain when your PC complains (quites)
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Pete
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25. February 2005 @ 03:29 |
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Scuba I think in this instance what bb is trying to say is that with the price of even quality DVD's being so cheap it is better to simply split EPISODIC DVD's such as the Simpson,X-Files and any number of TV series type DVD's. Also because the source material for many of these DVD's are already poor compressing them has an adverse effect. I personally burn 3 episodes onto a disk making for compression in the mid 80%.
In my personal experience compressing the video to below 70% starts to have a very adverse effect, at least with Shrink. Then again my TV can display 480P and 1080i so the degredation looks worse. It's sort of like how you notice that the HDTV sets in stores that show HDTV content look so beautiful but the other HDTV sets showing regular TV signal look so bad and even worse than the regular TV sets.
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25. February 2005 @ 04:57 |
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Pete, buddy :-)
Us argue?? Never
I appreciate all your findings. I am just not so good a expressing myself on here, but WyldM5 did a pretty good job of it. I do believe however that the compression did effect the play back on some of my players because if I split the same episode disk down 3 episodes on a disk they play perfectly fine. I also backed up Ray onto one disk with around 87% in Shrink I can live with that. I don't really have a set ratio I use but I guess if I get a movie in the mid 70% or below I would split it like the movie Troy for instance. I dont like to split a movie if I don't have to, but I see no reason why not put the episode disk on more DVD's with no compression it's not like you are spliting a movie in two or anything they are just episodes and you dont really hurt anything doing it that way. I really only have a few (very few) movies that I split on two disk's, but again on the episode disks why not?
Take care Pete :-)
PS by the way I didnt end up having to go to Iraq after all, and I get to retire in March!!! :-)
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25. February 2005 @ 07:10 |
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PS by the way I didnt end up having to go to Iraq after all, and I get to retire in March!!! :-)
I am so glad BB!!!
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I thought I told you to adjust your DVD Target size to "Custom" 4300MB - Yep, I just looked and it's there - by using 4364MB as BB suggested you're burning to the edge of the disc where the dye app is poor to non-existent.
Oops, forgot to change that
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As far as the time it takes - it's your processor and your RAM that's slowing you down. Quality takes time. I've told you how to do this and have it come out good - you have to give it time.
The issue I have at the moment is - you're working on your PC while you should be letting it work for you.
Geez and I thought I had some good specs there...I was writing to you on another puter while I was ripping, encoding....
Well here is the latest log from my last attempt...could be that because I didn't set it to 4300...don't know...I think I am going to do the 3 per disc thing....
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I 02:50:07 DVD Decrypter Version 3.5.2.0 started!
I 02:50:07 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600)
I 02:50:07 Initialising SPTI...
I 02:50:07 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 02:50:07 Found 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD±RW!
I 02:50:08 Operation Started!
I 02:50:08 Source File: C:\DVD RIPS\XFDISC1.ISO
I 02:50:08 Source File Sectors: 2,234,661 (MODE1/2048)
I 02:50:08 Source File Size: 4,576,585,728 bytes
I 02:50:08 Destination Device: [1:1:0] LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-411S FS05 (E:) (ATA)
I 02:50:08 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: MAXELL-002-00) (Speeds: 2.4x)
I 02:50:08 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104
I 02:50:08 Write Mode: DVD
I 02:50:08 Write Speed: 4x
I 02:50:08 Test Mode: No
I 02:50:08 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 02:50:08 Filling Buffer...
I 02:50:10 Writing LeadIn...
I 02:50:23 Writing Image...
I 03:13:48 Synchronising Cache...
I 03:13:49 Closing Track...
I 03:13:53 Finalising Disc...
I 03:14:18 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:24:09
I 03:14:18 Average Write Rate: 3,183 KB/s (2.3x) - Maximum Write Rate: 3,301 KB/s (2.4x)
I 03:14:18 Cycling Tray before Verify...
W 03:14:29 Waiting for device to become ready...
I 03:14:37 Device ready!
I 03:14:37 Operation Started!
I 03:14:37 Source Device: [1:1:0] LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-411S FS05 (E:) (ATA)
I 03:14:37 Source Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: MAXELL-002-00) (Speeds: 2.4x)
I 03:14:37 Verifying Sectors...
E 07:13:05 Failed to read Sector 2234656 - Unrecovered Read Error
E 07:13:05 Failed to Verify Sectors!
E 07:13:05 Operation Failed! - Duration: 03:58:28
I 07:13:05 Average Verify Rate: 312 KB/s (0.2x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 8,105 KB/s (5.9x)
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25. February 2005 @ 08:12 |
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Pete...
Whats wrong with target size being 4364MB ???
Is there really that much difference in 64MB?
I do tell them to put it on 4364 which is already less than the standard 4464MB.. I guess I'm just wondering he shouldnt be burning to the edge of the disk at 4364MB or is he???
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25. February 2005 @ 08:14 |
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maxaraxa,
What are you asking about your last post and log?
It looks like everything worked fine?
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25. February 2005 @ 08:47 |
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maxaraxa,
What are you asking about your last post and log?
It looks like everything worked fine?
BB~Did you read the last section of the log? Here is what it said:
E 07:13:05 Failed to read Sector 2234656 - Unrecovered Read Error
E 07:13:05 Failed to Verify Sectors!
E 07:13:05 Operation Failed! - Duration: 03:58:28
I am trying it right now with 4300 and I did it in file mode this time and I unchecked "verify"this will be my last attempt at total disc backup...
sorry to cause such a dispute, not my intention, but I appreciate all of your help! I know I will get there eventually.
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25. February 2005 @ 08:53 |
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I also have another thought on this...I do have a DRU-700A Double Layer writer. I was thinking that I could hook this up and burn the whole disc without having the issues which I am having now. I have read somewhere that this writer has issues with the audio not coming over in sync with the video something about it pulling it through the sound card..have you heard anything about this...also which discs would I buy that would be a good dl disc? Let me know what you think about this, do you use a dual layer writer?
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25. February 2005 @ 09:12 |
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OK either you edited and stuck that last part in there or I am blind? :-) LOL
OK it looks like it burned the disk but couldnt verify? Is this true? If so does the disk play at all? This could be the compression issue I was trying to explain earlier and is why I reccomend when doing episode disk's to split the episodes up. It also looks like it failed to read the sectors more towards the end of the disk sector 2,234,656 out of 2,295,104 is where it ran into problems so moving the taget size down a bit could help...
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25. February 2005 @ 09:17 |
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OK either you edited and stuck that last part in there or I am blind? :-) LOL
Lol~sorry to say maybe going blind??My standalone has played all the other discs I have burned but it didn't like this one...it said "incorrect disc..err" Any thoughts on the DRU-700A...I can't believe how much the dl discs are! Do you use a dual layer writer?
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25. February 2005 @ 09:22 |
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I have a Dual Layer burner and have copied a few in that format, but for the price of the media it really isnt worth it right now. I Don't know much about that drive (DRU 700A) Have you tried a search on here for it? I do know that a lot of people have problems with the external burners all together when it comes to backing up DVD's...
OK I'm blind :-) but I will still say you edited it so I don't look stupid OK?? shhhhh don't tell no one.. LOL
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25. February 2005 @ 09:29 |
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No I haven't searched it here but I will check it out. My goodness, shrink is still encoding the disc, and it is only 44% done...I am just curious now to see if dropping it to 4300 will make the difference since I am stuck with these maxell discs, it will interesting to see. As far as you looking stupid, "NOT"..you and scuba have helped so many people on here and you read a gajillion posts so if you miss a line or two in a thread it is understandable. I will let you know how this latest burn goes...keeping fingers, toes and eyes crossed LOL.
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25. February 2005 @ 09:41 |
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How much compression did you end up with in Shrink?
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I think it showed somewhere around the 55% area, not exactly sure. I did everything on Automatic, wasn't sure how custom compress the menu/extras..didn't know how far down to bring em.
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25. February 2005 @ 10:05 |
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55% wow thats just to much for my liking. There really isn't much to take off of those episode disk maybe some different audio languages? I wouldnt even bother with backing up a disk at 55% I would have to split it up, but thats just me hopefully yours plays perfectly fine.
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25. February 2005 @ 14:04 |
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Ok, I burned one that works. I did the fullback up,only unchecking the extra audios...and I did it at 4364. The one I tried at 4300 didn't work. Now I am trying to remember if I did this one using file mode or iso read...don't know. I played the disc on my standalone and it play fine, menus and all. I watched 15 mins. of each episode that I was able to go to via the menu and I really didn't see any video problems that annoyed me, I was actually amazed that it turned out so Well. I am onto Disc 2 and this time I am keeping track of what I am doing so I can eliminate the things that don't work. I did file mode and ripped to the hdd in a file called XFILES_S1Disc2. I went into DDVD and did Removal method as Agressive and in ,and for css I used the "Brute Force ~> I/O Key Exchange" and in the I/O section I checked "Ignore Read Errors". On failure I told it Yes and then in shrink used Maximum Sharpness and I unchecked "Verify" The "Perform Deep Analysis" was greyed out and I am not sure why that was..Anyway...I will let you know how disc 2 goes.
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25. February 2005 @ 15:11 |
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BB,
You see that's not how I read your post at all. I thought you were advocating the splitting of anything based on size and time - when discussing Max's 7GB DVD, you said it would come out poorly were it to be compressed - Too many of today's movies are in that 7 to 71/2 +GB range and I don't see splitting movies based on either time or size. As I've said - they play fine on my TV sets and 2 friends who have LCD sets say it looks fine to them - a matter of taste - perhaps my sight isn't good - I have failed to see a major problem. I have put as many as 5 DVD's on a single disc and pple there of the forum that have tried it were amazed at the quality of the movies too. I guess that unless you actually try it any discussion is fruitless. -
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I would split it like the movie Troy for instance.
And yet I backed it up to a single disc and could see no difference between the original and the backup - True, I did trim the movie down but still it was sizable, well over our discussion size of 7GB (Way over, heh) - Oh well, each to his own
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What's wrong with target size being 4364MB ???
Is there really that much difference in 64MB?
It has been my experience that the 4300MB does better at avoiding poor spots. As you are very much aware I have suggested 4360MB forever and a day for regular and I know you've studied my guides to know that for that long I have suggested 4300MB for poor quality discs with favorable results. Pple have said they get their discs
Kicked back" at 4360 but not at 4300 - Go figure but since it has worked for so long, I continue on - :)
Peace
Hey there Max,
Glad you finally got one BUT like BB - I am amazed that a 7GB DVD required 55% compression - that doesn't make any sense at all -
Also it looks more and more that your discs are the problem. When we say they are poor discs that also means you could expect quite a few of them to not work. I had one member that reported almost 30 out of a 50-disc pack of Memorex failed totally. When we say they are bad - that's what we are talking about -
You have to get better discs for Video work - use the Maxell for MP3 and Data backup - they'll be fine for that -
Cheers,
"P"
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25. February 2005 @ 18:40 |
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ok, progress report, I sucessfully burned disc 2 and it play great on my standalone, menus and all. The only thing is that I want to know if there is a way to get rid of the extras..there are all international clips....I couldn't figure out how to do it unless I use reauthor and then I can't use the menu...its no big deal but am curious. Scuba I will definitely get new discs...do you think I would be able to take these back and tell them that they are faulty, not writing to the edge?
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26. February 2005 @ 13:33 |
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Max,
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do you think I would be able to take these back and tell them that they are faulty, not writing to the edge?
I have no clue as I didn't sell them BUT you'll have a better idea if you ask where you purchased them. You don't ask, you won't know . . . . it never hurts to ask . . . .
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To get rid of the extras, use Recode2 (they have a 30-day free trial) instead of DVD Shrink, they work the same and you'll keep your menus - you'll find all the information under DVDD / Recode2 in my sig.
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Pete
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31. March 2005 @ 22:42 |
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Max,I backup the x-files all the time and this is what I do which I think is real simple.
If you want the menus use DVDshrink, go under compression and de-select the audio and select still images for the 2 episodes you don't want. This will bring the compression to 100%(no compression) usually. Now you can burn it with 2 full episodes with menus on one disk. Then for the second DVD just do the reverse.
This will give you 2 episodes per disk with menus.
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