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GRAN TURISMO 4
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samuels
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15. March 2005 @ 15:32 |
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OMG people are so stupid... There is no possible way at this point that you can make a backup of this game. The only way right now is the hack coming out to play dual layer dvd's. There are hackers in the process of doing it however. Ok... I'll try to explain it. If you make an ISO of this game using DVD decryptor you will notice that the game only comes out to being 3.5 gigs or something like that. However, when you try to burn it to a single layer dvd it will tell you that there is not enough space. So, The reason being is that the second layer is EXACTLY the same as the first layer except it is written backwards, which currently there are no burners that are able to do that (that i am aware of). The PS2 will only actually read from data from the first layer, like a dvd rom. What it does, is on the first layer there are thousands of references to places and files and points on the second layer. Even though data is not read from there it has to be there. So basically what has to be done is that some enthusiastic person has to go through and find EVERY reference to the second layer on the first layer and instead point it to a place on the first layer. Then after all of this is done you have to rip the second layer out completely and burn the first layer to a dvd5. I know all this because I know the person who is currently doing it. Currently, the game is about 70% playable on a DVD5. Ok, hopefully this will clear it up [Quote]
that is only half true mate,the actual game size is 5.27 GB .my previous post explains how to,or how you will be able to get the full game b/up onto a dl disc
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15. March 2005 @ 16:28 |
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--"OMG people are so stupid... There is no possible way at this point that you can make a backup of this game. The only way right now is the hack coming out to play dual layer dvd's. There are hackers in the process of doing it however. Ok... I'll try to explain it. If you make an ISO of this game using DVD decryptor you will notice that the game only comes out to being 3.5 gigs or something like that. However, when you try to burn it to a single layer dvd it will tell you that there is not enough space. So, The reason being is that the second layer is EXACTLY the same as the first layer except it is written backwards, which currently there are no burners that are able to do that (that i am aware of). The PS2 will only actually read from data from the first layer, like a dvd rom. What it does, is on the first layer there are thousands of references to places and files and points on the second layer. Even though data is not read from there it has to be there. So basically what has to be done is that some enthusiastic person has to go through and find EVERY reference to the second layer on the first layer and instead point it to a place on the first layer. Then after all of this is done you have to rip the second layer out completely and burn the first layer to a dvd5. I know all this because I know the person who is currently doing it. Currently, the game is about 70% playable on a DVD5. Ok, hopefully this will clear it up."--
Damn why are you all acting like "the person" has already done it? I know he said it should be ready sometime this week but i'm not holding my breath. Myself, i'm waiting until he does it to tell him thanks and all that.
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samuels
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15. March 2005 @ 19:14 |
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Damn why are you all acting like "the person" has already done it? I know he said it should be ready sometime this week but i'm not holding my breath. Myself, i'm waiting until he does it to tell him thanks and all that. [Quote]
why rip it when you can have the whole lot :)
surely you all aren't tight arses,i mean c'mon a dual layer burner you can pick up for $120,and the media is getting cheaper because theres more competition on the market now
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15. March 2005 @ 20:11 |
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But i AM a tight arse!! LOL. :) Otherwise i'd buy a new working laser for my ps2 and not have to play all my games off my HDD. ;)
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decker12
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15. March 2005 @ 20:32 |
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Yes, please, everyone must realize that at this time, GT4 cannot be backed up.
When you CAN back it up, however the method, trust me, you'll know about it. If you don't follow these forums you'll be able to find out how and why with out much searching.
There won't be a secret handshake, no special hardware, no magic DVD media burnt at 1x speed with DMA off using Linux and a 133mhz PentiumMX. When the method is figured out you'll be able to learn it from anywhere on the hundreds of forums dedicated to PS2 backups.
I beat the Internet. The end guy is hard.
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samuels
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15. March 2005 @ 21:10 |
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Yes, please, everyone must realize that at this time, GT4 cannot be backed up.
When you CAN back it up, however the method, trust me, you'll know about it. If you don't follow these forums you'll be able to find out how and why with out much searching.
There won't be a secret handshake, no special hardware, no magic DVD media burnt at 1x speed with DMA off using Linux and a 133mhz PentiumMX. When the method is figured out you'll be able to learn it from anywhere on the hundreds of forums dedicated to PS2 backups.[Quote]
trouble is mate *S* you can back it up,and it has been backed up....sure there are "nukes" out there,but believe me when i tell you it can and has been backed up :)
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15. March 2005 @ 21:13 |
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But i AM a tight arse!! LOL. :) Otherwise i'd buy a new working laser for my ps2 and not have to play all my games off my HDD. ;) [Quote]
*LOL* i mighta known some one would of come up with something original like that :)
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decker12
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15. March 2005 @ 22:44 |
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Ugh, please don't encourage people to keep wasting their time on eDonkey downloading things that don't work or wasting their DL DVDs trying to back the game up.
There is no working release right now by anyone, labelled as "nuked" or not. I have all the capabilities to find out this information as anyone else might, and the fact that nobody has even come up with a smidgen of a file name that truly "works" makes your comments ridiculously suspicious.
Do you honestly think that if a release was out that actually worked it would be in such top secret hush-hush circles that nobody would have the slightest idea where to find it or even what group released it? Or even a file name? I think not, as it would be bragging rights supreme, and the people in the know would already know all about it.
I beat the Internet. The end guy is hard.
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15. March 2005 @ 22:50 |
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PTP and OTP explanation from this site http://www.pioneeraus.com.au/computer/dvdInfo/dvdInfo_25.html .It shows you how the structures of reading from PTP and OTP differ.If you look at this,no affordable dvd burner can support this process as of yet.If you look at PTP it reads from the second layer and the first layer between parts,kinda like shift breaks between the layers.OTP does a rotation reading the first layer all the way through,then reads the second layer all the way through which continues back to the first layer.
Single Layer=Reads all the way through
Dual Layer OTP=Reads all the way through the first layer,and then reads all the way through the second layer
Dual Layer PTP=When it reads it jumps from first layer to the second layer between the session of reading.
This was some pretty good information I found looking it up,and reading on it.I wonder how long Toxic has been working on this utility for patching dual layered discs,and when to expect it.I hope it is true,so far nothing has been successfull.
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15. March 2005 @ 22:57 |
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I got banned for acting like a little punk :)
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15. March 2005 @ 23:04 |
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Flip_mode why sit back and wait though,pretty much everybody else is doing that at the moment(besides a couple of a people).If everyone sits back and waits nothing will get accomplished.I do agree though about the numerous posts about this game,it is ridiculous.
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15. March 2005 @ 23:17 |
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Hey Burna,
check your pm.
Thanx dog
Tha Newb
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sleeboss
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16. March 2005 @ 03:04 |
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MESSAGE FOR SQUIZZLE - IVE GOT A V4 PS2 AND IT PLAYS DVD+R NO PROBS, IT WONT PLAY DVD-R THOUGH??
From Atari 2600 to PS2 - Old Skwl!
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samuels
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16. March 2005 @ 04:02 |
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Ugh, please don't encourage people to keep wasting their time on eDonkey downloading things that don't work or wasting their DL DVDs trying to back the game up.
There is no working release right now by anyone, labelled as "nuked" or not. I have all the capabilities to find out this information as anyone else might, and the fact that nobody has even come up with a smidgen of a file name that truly "works" makes your comments ridiculously suspicious.
Do you honestly think that if a release was out that actually worked it would be in such top secret hush-hush circles that nobody would have the slightest idea where to find it or even what group released it? Or even a file name? I think not, as it would be bragging rights supreme, and the people in the know would already know all about it. [Quote]
well you better check your sources again cocky,there are working b/ups of gt4 out there,admittedly they are from HK,but the fact is they are still b/ups...and it's not hush hush,everybody knows that they are out there :)
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16. March 2005 @ 04:07 |
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PTP and OTP explanation from this site http://www.pioneeraus.com.au/computer/dvdInfo/dvdInfo_25.html .It shows you how the structures of reading from PTP and OTP differ.If you look at this,no affordable dvd burner can support this process as of yet.If you look at PTP it reads from the second layer and the first layer between parts,kinda like shift breaks between the layers.OTP does a rotation reading the first layer all the way through,then reads the second layer all the way through which continues back to the first layer.
Single Layer=Reads all the way through
Dual Layer OTP=Reads all the way through the first layer,and then reads all the way through the second layer
Dual Layer PTP=When it reads it jumps from first layer to the second layer between the session of reading.
This was some pretty good information I found looking it up,and reading on it.I wonder how long Toxic has been working on this utility for patching dual layered discs,and when to expect it.I hope it is true,so far nothing has been successfull.[Quote]
i have been informed,it's release will be with in the next few days (for DMS 4)and they will release the other soon(for other mods)so that the whole PS2 community won't miss out,whether it is for a dvd9 rip or for a dl b/up
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Earbuddy
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16. March 2005 @ 11:35 |
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damn these gt4 creators were really tthinking when they made this huh? i jus wanna agree with the fact that you can back it up but it will cost you a new ptp dl dvd burner and the disc for them, i was looking them up and this one looks suitable. even better if you plan on backing up more discs in the futur and keep your old one too, you can burn two disc at once. and most ppl backin up disc should consider getting this one cus other companys will most likely start dual layering their games too and as graphics and quality games keep coming out they will have to any way so check this one out
http://www.techbuy.com.au/products/48956/DVDROM_DVD_WRITERS/LiteOn/SOHW-1673S(BLACK)/SOHW-1673S(Black)_Dual_Layer_Internal_DVD_Burner_w._16X_DVD_-R_4X_DL-DVD.asp
-impala ughhh
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16. March 2005 @ 11:57 |
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damn these gt4 creators were really tthinking when they made this huh? i jus wanna agree with the fact that you can back it up but it will cost you a new ptp dl dvd burner and the disc for them, i was looking them up and this one looks suitable. even better if you plan on backing up more discs in the futur and keep your old one too, you can burn two disc at once. and most ppl backin up disc should consider getting this one cus other companys will most likely start dual layering their games too and as graphics and quality games keep coming out they will have to any way so check this one out
http://media.fastclick.net/w/get.media?sid=9388&m=5&url=http%3A//www.techbuy.com.au/products/48956/DVDROM_DVD_WRITERS/LiteOn/SOHW-1673S%28BLACK)/SOHW-1673S(Black)_Dual_Layer_Internal_DVD_Burner_w._16X_DVD_-R_4X_DL-DVD.asp [Quote]
yes it can be b/up,but you need a media patcher(if thats what you could call it *S*)
what you have described in the link is ..."DVD read compliant : DVD single ⁄ dual layer ( PTP ⁄ OTP ), DVD-R ( 3.9 GB ⁄ 4.7 GB ), DVD-R" thats read only :)
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Earbuddy
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18. March 2005 @ 15:49 |
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my badd i didnt know that it was read only, i jus saw it there and assumed it meant burn cause its a burnner you know? sry if anyone got mislead..anyway there willb e a way soon engouhg
-impala ughhh
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squizzle
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18. March 2005 @ 16:53 |
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@sleeboss
V4's were like the transition generation. Some play just -R, some play both, however you're the first I've heard say it plays +R and not -R. Oh well, stick with what works. When this game does get cracked you'll probably be better off than I am because mine doesn't play +R media and the only DL media out right now is +R.
Convert PAL to NTSC or NTSC to PAL------>http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/167922
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My ever-growing movie collection------>http://www.intervocative.com/dvdcollection.aspx/squizzle
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18. March 2005 @ 18:24 |
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