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The Official GT4 Thread
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poodude
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27. March 2005 @ 16:08 |
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I don't know where you guys are getting the idea gt4 is the first dual layer game. there have been several dual layer games released, like xenosaga for example. They've been copied by downsampling the video files and burning to dvd-r
yeah, I know you're retarded.
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samuels
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27. March 2005 @ 16:39 |
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I don't know where you guys are getting the idea gt4 is the first dual layer game. there have been several dual layer games released, like xenosaga for example. They've been copied by downsampling the video files and burning to dvd-r[Quote]
this game is little bit different,maybe downsampling would help,well it would,it's the checks we've gotta overcome
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twinscyth
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27. March 2005 @ 20:41 |
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Does anyone know about this torrent:
Gran Turismo 4 USA DVD5[elitewebt3.com]
Its only 2.02GB and if this site hosts it then it might work.
Problem is the hosts decided to disappear leaving 500+ leechers idling there at 96%.
Someone shed light
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tom21014
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27. March 2005 @ 20:43 |
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has anyone checked ps2nfo lately? i am registered with the site but i am unable to log in. judging by how poorly their site works i sincerely doubt they can be of any help with gt4 since they cannot even make a message board work. i just wanted to try out apache 2.0 which i heard they have. thanks
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RemyK313
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27. March 2005 @ 21:20 |
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alucard.cc has pretty much every tool and ripkit that PS2NFO hosts. Also, they don't block emails that are free.
They also have some of the best working behind them. However, you guys have to realize that there is no secretive, black magic community working on cracking games. It's really, like 3 or 4 people who do it.
There are still small groups of people who crack and supply the old-fashioned way, but that's starting to disappear with the arrivals of communities such as Afterdawn.
I think we're getting into an age where pirating/cracking groups are starting to become obsolete. I mean, tools and knowledge are now so widely available, the communities supply themselves with materials, they take care of a lot of the work that pirating groups used to have to do.
Anyways, since none of us really have the knowledge to do anything about GT4, either we buy originals, or wait for teams, and more skilled individuals to get this problem solved.
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samuels
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27. March 2005 @ 21:55 |
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alucard.cc has pretty much every tool and ripkit that PS2NFO hosts. Also, they don't block emails that are free.
They also have some of the best working behind them. However, you guys have to realize that there is no secretive, black magic community working on cracking games. It's really, like 3 or 4 people who do it.
There are still small groups of people who crack and supply the old-fashioned way, but that's starting to disappear with the arrivals of communities such as Afterdawn.
I think we're getting into an age where pirating/cracking groups are starting to become obsolete. I mean, tools and knowledge are now so widely available, the communities supply themselves with materials, they take care of a lot of the work that pirating groups used to have to do.
Anyways, since none of us really have the knowledge to do anything about GT4, either we buy originals, or wait for teams, and more skilled individuals to get this problem solved. [Quote]
what do you mean all the PS2 crackers are disappearing,obviously you don't look in the right places :) sure alucard has some top programmers,alucard isn't bad at himself either,you say "none of us really have the knowledge to do anything about GT4"you maybe talking about yourself,i'm not to crash hot at it myself, admittedly,but we are nearing a crack i believe....watch out for it in a month or two,people are now starting to get impatient....tell you one person i haven't seen for quite sometime is BBS2002,now he was good.
someone mentioned ps2nfo site....they are pretty good too.to end my post,all i can say is look around...seek and ye shall find for programmes,patches,etc,etc :)
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tom21014
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27. March 2005 @ 22:11 |
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i did not supply them with a free e mail address. i got ones from saying that i could now reply to threads and they even wished me a happy birthday. i find the advertising the most useful feature of that site. that is how i found out swap magic 3.6 was out. i use all three mods. swap magic, hd loader and i just installed a dsm4 lite. i figure one if those 3 methods would work with any game. the swap magic does as well as the other two and that is the easiest so that is what i recommend with a flip top lid. on another note i could not even create an image of the italian job. as far as gt 4 goes it is more of a chore then anything else and i will just wait for the price to drop because as far as i am concerned if a game can start at 50 and drop to 15 then it could have been 20 all along. but you can do whatever you want when u are a monopoly. sony sues retailers for not honoring their ILLEAGLE PRICE FIXING. none of this is really on topic because there is not much to be done. the new dvdd is out and that does give more info about the layers of the game. layer 0 has 1.5% more then layer 1. sony ps2 games are the only dl discs that use a ptp so no one will make technology to copy like that because the use is so limited. with ptp each layer can be a differnet size. it is like two different discs on top of eachother and the unit bounces back and forth between them and the data has to be exactly where it expects to find it. i am sure none of this is new. i am going to check my coaster later and see how the layers compare to the original.
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samuels
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27. March 2005 @ 22:53 |
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i did not supply them with a free e mail address. i got ones from saying that i could now reply to threads and they even wished me a happy birthday. i find the advertising the most useful feature of that site. that is how i found out swap magic 3.6 was out. i use all three mods. swap magic, hd loader and i just installed a dsm4 lite. i figure one if those 3 methods would work with any game. the swap magic does as well as the other two and that is the easiest so that is what i recommend with a flip top lid. on another note i could not even create an image of the italian job. as far as gt 4 goes it is more of a chore then anything else and i will just wait for the price to drop because as far as i am concerned if a game can start at 50 and drop to 15 then it could have been 20 all along. but you can do whatever you want when u are a monopoly. sony sues retailers for not honoring their ILLEAGLE PRICE FIXING. none of this is really on topic because there is not much to be done. the new dvdd is out and that does give more info about the layers of the game. layer 0 has 1.5% more then layer 1. sony ps2 games are the only dl discs that use a ptp so no one will make technology to copy like that because the use is so limited. with ptp each layer can be a differnet size. it is like two different discs on top of eachother and the unit bounces back and forth between them and the data has to be exactly where it expects to find it. i am sure none of this is new. i am going to check my coaster later and see how the layers compare to the original. [Quote]
*rolls eyes* PTP bullsh**...GT 4 has not been written in that format for the umpteenth time,and not just from me,do some more investigating PLZ
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ZippoGuy
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28. March 2005 @ 01:35 |
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PTP/OTP is not the problem. But just for the sake o arguement we'll assume for a second that it is. Tom said no one will make anything to burn PTP disc becuase of their limited use. wrong. If that were the problem some programmer somewhere would definitly write a new little program to help us all out. It would come form the same place as programs like DVD Decrypter. If we want it bad enough someone will write it. But again this doesn't matter since it's not the issue.
Peace, Love, and Zippos
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tom21014
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28. March 2005 @ 07:28 |
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sure whatever you say!!! that is why the original is ptp why any backup made on a expensive dl disc is otp. ptp has a lead in and lead out for each layer from the inside out. otp is layer 0 leadin from the inside of the disc out then layer break then layer one from the outside in then lead out. what are called bad sectors in the game to protect it are really boot sectors that only the ps2 can read. on a dl each layer has them. dvd+r dl is otp only and the firmware in the burners is otp only. so there is no media to copy this game onto and no burner to do it. i doubt any of this matters much with the ps3 coming out. they never really went as far as they could with the ps2 with only a handful of dl games so i guess it is because of piracy that they are changing the format. does anyone here use dvd wizard pro? it claims to come with a way to play ps2 games from your pc with no console. that sounds interesting to me.
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PPePP
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28. March 2005 @ 07:58 |
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I turned my back for a week and my thread grew 8 pages! I have downloaded ps2 emulators but that claim to play games on the pc, but they never work. I will be glad when someone figures out how to crack this game.
Why do today what you can put off until tomorrow
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tom21014
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28. March 2005 @ 08:04 |
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it would take a massive effort and alot of money to crack gt4 and i do not think anyone smart enough to crack it will bother for just one game.
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Kezo
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28. March 2005 @ 10:31 |
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I tried a few things, wouldnt work no matter what.. i have he PAL version, aswell.
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samuels
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28. March 2005 @ 11:43 |
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sure whatever you say!!! that is why the original is ptp why any backup made on a expensive dl disc is otp. ptp has a lead in and lead out for each layer from the inside out. otp is layer 0 leadin from the inside of the disc out then layer break then layer one from the outside in then lead out. what are called bad sectors in the game to protect it are really boot sectors that only the ps2 can read. on a dl each layer has them. dvd+r dl is otp only and the firmware in the burners is otp only. so there is no media to copy this game onto and no burner to do it. i doubt any of this matters much with the ps3 coming out. they never really went as far as they could with the ps2 with only a handful of dl games so i guess it is because of piracy that they are changing the format. does anyone here use dvd wizard pro? it claims to come with a way to play ps2 games from your pc with no console. that sounds interesting to me. [Quote]
sure....whatever you say!!!!!do some more homework on the issue
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RemyK313
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28. March 2005 @ 13:07 |
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There's only one PS2 Emulator that's worth mentioning : PCSX2.
It's being made by the same guys who made PCSX and I think one of the guys who made ePSXe.
http://www.zophar.net for more details, links, and downloads.
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ZippoGuy
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28. March 2005 @ 13:26 |
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The ps2 emulator Remy is talking about is the same one i mentioned a while back (think it was this thread anyway) it's the only one that even comes close. but that's all it does is come close.
Hey Samuels, thanks for backing me up bro.
Peace, Love, and Zippos
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dasha74
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28. March 2005 @ 14:26 |
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Just on the OTP/PTP thing, the three companies that have released blank DVD+R DL media here in Australia are Imation, Ritek and Verbatim. I have contacted all 3 regarding OTP/PTP and these are their responses -
IMATION - 'at present our media DVD+R DL supports OTP and doesn't support PTP.
This is ruled by DVD+R DL book specification and what ours is made to for general sale'
RITEK (Ridata) - 'Our DVD+R DL are written in "OTP" model and conform the standard specification fully'and
'DVD+R Dual Layer is capable with PTP and OTP.' and
'writer determines which writing mode in PTP or OTP is adopted. Two modes comply with DVD-ROM specs. So it is not the matter if double layer DVD media can support or not'
VERBATIM - 'Our media will support either method.'
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samuels
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28. March 2005 @ 15:20 |
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Just on the OTP/PTP thing, the three companies that have released blank DVD+R DL media here in Australia are Imation, Ritek and Verbatim. I have contacted all 3 regarding OTP/PTP and these are their responses -
IMATION - 'at present our media DVD+R DL supports OTP and doesn't support PTP.
This is ruled by DVD+R DL book specification and what ours is made to for general sale'
RITEK (Ridata) - 'Our DVD+R DL are written in "OTP" model and conform the standard specification fully'and
'DVD+R Dual Layer is capable with PTP and OTP.' and
'writer determines which writing mode in PTP or OTP is adopted. Two modes comply with DVD-ROM specs. So it is not the matter if double layer DVD media can support or not'
VERBATIM - 'Our media will support either method.' [Quote]
interesting mate but old news :)
but as you can see from a majority of the crackers here...OTP/PTP is not the issue.when the game first come out people thought you bewdy, slips the game straight into the rom(hoping for a 1:1 copy) but to no avail(admittedly i did this myself) but upon further examinations of the file structure,there is a lot of files that does not need to be in there...I.E epson printer and another folder contains a lot of rubbish too,now the problem we are encountering is finding dummies to replace them with and making a patch to remove media checks so that we can trick the PS2 into being able to boot on each screen that we want to enter...it's going to take some time but we will get there :) there is no such thing as "can't" *S*
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samuels
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28. March 2005 @ 15:27 |
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Hey Samuels, thanks for backing me up bro [Quote]
hey no worries mate...just wish people would look at the file structures,etc...or listen to the top dogs of PS2 cracking before they go saying things that they aren't 100% sure about.
and before some one says yeah BUT team toxic said blah blah blah...OK thats no worries,but where is the goods they promised ??,they jumped the gun with this OTP/PTP issue
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Cytrik
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28. March 2005 @ 23:56 |
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PS2 v12 Matrix Infinity 1.39f
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EnSw
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29. March 2005 @ 01:18 |
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Sweaping is my job, sharing my hobby!
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ZippoGuy
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29. March 2005 @ 02:08 |
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Ok EnSw you've got my hopes up a little now.I usd yer link though and got a message saying: "Sorry, the board is unavailable at the moment while we are testing some functionality". Did Toxic say they were close and expected to have it in a week or that they had done it and would release it in a week. Big difference there you know. But it's still good news either way. I'll try yer link again later and read what they have for myself. here's hoping :)
Peace, Love, and Zippos
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ZippoGuy
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29. March 2005 @ 02:23 |
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went back to that site and searched what little i could. (most of it is down while switching servers) i did notice that they have GT4 listed as compatibale with ToxicOS and says you have to flatten it for HDL. that's a HDD backup right? Like what Nickmo was talking about? well i'll try the site again after work and hopefully i can read toxics post then.
Peace, Love, and Zippos
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RemyK313
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29. March 2005 @ 13:07 |
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Basically the .nfo said that the newest Toxic OS will have support for DVD9 games, but you have to flatten them and use HDLoader.
Still waiting for news about a DVD9 patcher for use on non-DMS4 modded PS2s.
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ZippoGuy
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29. March 2005 @ 13:27 |
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So from what i gathered by reading the post on that site and Remy's post as well is that those of us (but NOT me) with a HDD can now play GT4 backed up on the HDD, but people like me that are useing Swap magic still have to play off our originals. Is that right?
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