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GT4 IS Backup-able
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Boc1986
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15. March 2005 @ 11:50 |
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First I will oppalagise for yet another GT4 thread but hopefully this will end them. I have just downloaded a version of the US release of Gran Turismo 4 from edonkey. Its has been ripped for a DV5 so some fmv sequences or missing but the game works no problem what so ever there are also downloads for for a DV9 version. As for who ever said that there is no such thing as a dual layer dvd writter and dual layer DVD-R's i would just like to let them know that i own a Dell DVD R/RW which has multi layer reading and writting fucntions, the dual layer discs are available curtousy of Maxell and Traxdata and can be picked up at most computer fairs or from online purchasing, i am yet to see them available from any retailers.
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15. March 2005 @ 11:51 |
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A Game isnt a game without the FMV sequences.. ;)
-Mike
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defoeyido
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15. March 2005 @ 12:12 |
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and what is a fmv sequence?
what is the filename?
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gruzum
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15. March 2005 @ 12:19 |
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This isn't a version of the Gran Turismo 4 Prologue? or Gran Turismo 4 Toyota Trial? these are rip's available on the web rigth now, but all rips of the final thing is nuked for non working.... What is the full name of the iso You found?
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monkijin
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15. March 2005 @ 12:38 |
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it is such a qaulity game you must buy it.....
there are such games that must be bought called me old fashioned.....
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15. March 2005 @ 12:57 |
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No your perfectly correct. Games are made to be bought, if you don't buy them then the company won't have as much funding and the programmer's wont get the money they deserve. ;)
-Mike
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RemyK313
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15. March 2005 @ 15:48 |
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The programmers have already been paid. As a programmer you either work on salary, or you freelance on piecework.
The only people making money are the company's investors now, seeing as the publishers, manufacturers, advertisers, and developers have finished their jobs.
The only thing left now is to wait for people to buy the game.
And just so you know, programmers are worked like dogs, and that's the life they live. Us buying the games or copying them doesn't affect them, as we're already playing their creations.
You wanna know who this hurts? The guy who pockets all the money at the end of the day, after they've made back the money that they put into the game.
And trust me, at $50 a game, he's probably lighting a cuban cigar with a hundred dollar bill right about now.
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JoeN00b
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15. March 2005 @ 17:57 |
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Remy, you are really rather naive. If no one buys the game because everyone has copied it, there will be no demand. No demand = no money to pay programmers. No programmers = no new games.
The company has to be able to re-coop some of their losses. How did they pay the programmers? Did the money just magically appear? No, they got the money through investors and from previous games.
You may think you're only screwing over the rich, but in fact you are hurting the workers.
If you like the game, just fucking buy it (look on half.com or get it used, but at least pay for it) if you never intended to buy the game, don't bother burning it, but just rent/borrow it instead.
Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried to slam a revolving door.
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decker12
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15. March 2005 @ 20:38 |
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Yawn, nothing to see here, please move on. Whatever Boc1986 is talking about does not exist, and if it does exist, it doesn't work. Boc1986 is clearly not paying close enough attention. For one, he's downloading a game which is a clear venture out of the back-up arena and into the piracy arena. Most likely his download is 25% complete and he's just speculating on the contents based on the file name.
If such a thing existed it would be a revelation, cascading throughout hundreds of forums and through thousands of people already trying to backup this game.
I'm not going to drop everything and spend days on eDonkey looking to dissect the method behind this mystery backup based on a single post to this forum, and you all shouldn't either.
And Remy, that's not how it works. If you steal a pineapple from the grocery store you're hurting the store workers, the store owners, the fruit pickers, the delivery drivers, and the company that oversees it all. You might feel better thinking that you're sticking it to The Man who runs the faceless grocery store megacorporation, but you're not.
Theft is theft, simple as that, and those actions effect everyone in the chain, from the guy who programs the game all night to the EA Vice President's salary to the janitor that sweeps up the office after everyone has gone home.
I beat the Internet. The end guy is hard.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 15. March 2005 @ 20:46
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gruzum
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15. March 2005 @ 21:13 |
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Buying the games You like will support them, ANYWAY!!
Dosn't matter who makes money, programmer or C.E.O dude, there would not be a GT4 if GT3 didn't sell at all.....
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sleeboss
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15. March 2005 @ 21:51 |
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Lets get one thing straight, when the manufacturer sells the product to a supplier for a rediculously low price, they have made their money (for the muppets - if they sold a million products to one supplier for £1 they have £1 million)! The people who make the prices soar are the retailers coz they are so f***ing greedy! My old man used to work for sports warehouse and used to buy football shirts from a direct supplier for under £10, yet retailers sell them for over £30-40??? If you can get something cheaper you are gonna get it, or you born with a silver spoon in ass! Bitch Over!
Cheers
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decker12
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15. March 2005 @ 22:34 |
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Hehehe sleeboss, take your philosophy to any business school and see how well you do with it.
For simplicity's sake, dwell on this:
If a product costs any amount of money to create, and you receive that product without spending any money, there is a loss involved. It doesn't matter where the loss is or how it is accounted for, that loss still exists. Justify it any way you want, but the fact remains that you are receiving an item that costs money, for nothing - and in this context that's stealing, and someone, somewhere, is incurring that loss.
Sadly, the CEO (or The Man, if you will) is most likely the last person to be effected by your stealing. He'll just look at his profits sheet and cut corners in the lowest rungs of his company first, which will be the janitors, the packagers, the guy who runs the press that prints out the instruction manuals, etc..
I beat the Internet. The end guy is hard.
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sleeboss
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15. March 2005 @ 23:11 |
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I dont want to go to business school. Are you saying its ok for them to charge us what they want? Did I say I was Stealing?
Answer this - if you found some cash in the street, would you keep it or hand it in?
PS - I'm not saying its ok to have freebies all the time, ive been on the recieving end of job cuts myself coz my boss was too greedy, im just saying if they lower their prices, more people would buy them.
PPS - I do buy original games.
From Atari 2600 to PS2 - Old Skwl!
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JoeyCool
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16. March 2005 @ 21:31 |
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I don't go to business school but I am taking a 200 level Microeconomics class at the University of Wisconsin. It seems to me that a company would have to lose a tangable item and not a virtual one to suffer a loss. Unless the person pirating the material would buy the game if he/she couldn't burn it. Most games aren't worth Retail to most people. Therefore, Copying it is accually promoting it since it exposes more people to the product.
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gulliver
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16. March 2005 @ 21:48 |
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I'm with Joeycool on this one. If someone only copies the games they weren't going to buy anyway then how is anyone losing a profit? They're not.
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If you like the game, just fucking buy it (look on half.com or get it used, but at least pay for it) if you never intended to buy the game, don't bother burning it, but just rent/borrow it instead.
How do you suppose that buying a used game is any different from burning a copy as far as profits go? It's not related at all; the companies don't get any money for used game sales.
"just rent/borrow it instead" -- why do you care so much? if someone is burning a game because they would never buy it anyway then it has no negative effect on anyone.
mrunix, bring forth your golden gamecube and deliver us to the promised land.
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mothmann
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17. March 2005 @ 00:39 |
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lets clear this up. first off when you buy a game or any software you aren't actually buying the SOFTWARE you are buying the right to use the software. when you download software for free you aren't stealing anything. because you didn't download the right to use the software. you are just using it anyways. so since you actually buy the right to use it and you downloaded the game then you aren't stealing the part that you pay for. so its not hurting the companies at all cause thats not actually what they are selling.
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sleeboss
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17. March 2005 @ 04:10 |
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FO SHIZZLE!
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justjer
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17. March 2005 @ 04:51 |
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This topic is about GT-4 backup..not about the financiel crap!
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JoeN00b
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18. March 2005 @ 05:16 |
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The company may not be suffering a loss, but if you don't plan to buy the product why waste the time to make a backup of it? If you buy it and think it's a shitty game, sell it online. At least that way you'll recover some of your losses, the company will get some money from it so they can stay in business and continue to make games, and everyone is happy.
Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried to slam a revolving door.
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cateye4k
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18. March 2005 @ 05:57 |
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Hi,
dont forget how much money, companies which make DVD medium and burners are making, if we are ruining the economy on one hand then we certainly are making it better on the other hand. Come on admit it, everyone here has to buy dvds to back up an original or copy an illegally obtained game. I think the manufacturers of DVD medium and dvd players should start covering the losses of the game industries. Btw i read in a survey article that most people who get pirate stuff were not potential buyers anyway, before they didnt buy the stuff, now they get it for free.
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gulliver
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18. March 2005 @ 06:02 |
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The company may not be suffering a loss, but if you don't plan to buy the product why waste the time to make a backup of it?
because some people can't afford to buy 50 or more games throughout the lifespan of a console, so they pick and choose the ones they want the most and buy those ones. The other ones they can copy. And I don't see how it's wasting time. It takes about 10 minutes.
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If you buy it and think it's a shitty game, sell it online. At least that way you'll recover some of your losses, the company will get some money from it so they can stay in business and continue to make games, and everyone is happy.
Are you in marketing for the gaming industry or something? because that is the worst logic I've ever heard. You think people should pay $50 for a sub-par game because they'll get some of their money back by selling it on ebay? Why would anyone do that? There would be no losses to begin with if they didn't buy the game they never were gonna buy in the first place. and why are you talking about the companies staying in business? I thought we already agree that it makes sense for people to copy games they were never going to buy in the first place? Everyone is happy? What about the person who has to buy thousands of dollars in games because of your theory?
You're gonna need a way better argument than that and I really don't think you have it.
mrunix, bring forth your golden gamecube and deliver us to the promised land.
My Gamecube: ViperGC with Cobra 1.0
My PS2: flip top (clear green) and swap magic 3.3
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cateye4k
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18. March 2005 @ 06:03 |
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not the mention, companies providing copy protection to games and movies, aint they making money because of people like us (doesnt matter if they make a back up legeally or illegeally)
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mateja
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18. March 2005 @ 12:02 |
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it is not problem in my country. it is not leagal to buy pirated games but nobody gives dam about it. it is because we are very poor country with average pay of 300€ and game here costs 70€. so is it fair that we spent 1/4 of monthy money on the game because big companies doenst want to lower price here??
And EU rejected us, i mean talks about us joining EU are postponed.
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gulliver
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18. March 2005 @ 13:14 |
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majeta, that's what I'm talking about. people can't afford to buy all these games when they cost $50, especially poorer people. what does a blank disc cost manufacters anyway -- about 10 cents. I'm not saying games should cost a dollar, I'm saying they don't need to be $50.
mrunix, bring forth your golden gamecube and deliver us to the promised land.
My Gamecube: ViperGC with Cobra 1.0
My PS2: flip top (clear green) and swap magic 3.3
My laptop: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ w/512RAM, 60gig HD
My desktop: AMD Athl
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18. March 2005 @ 18:25 |
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