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markjd11
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21. March 2005 @ 17:16 |
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i decided to post this because ive already wasted about 13 dvd's. Anyway, to give some background ive got a Hp 630 dvd writer, plenty of harddrive space, 2.56 ghz.I use dvdshrink and dvd decrypter, and have done plenty of dvd backups with no problem. My problem is as follows: Ive used dvd shrink to get the images or several DVD's. That part went fine. Then trying to burn the images, it starts out fine, then at about 3% the write speed will just drop to zero, and time remaining says unknown. It does this for all the images I have right now. The blank Dvd-R's(TDK) im using have worked fine for several burns before this. I tried using nero to see if that would work, but it dies too. I've tried uninstalling the DVD drive and reinstalling to see if that works, but it doesn't. Could both DVD images be messed up somehow (they're single ISO files). Should I try some different DVd's? Thanks for any help given
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21. March 2005 @ 17:33 |
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Check out your DMA settings
http://home.comcast.net/~bbmayo/DMA.html
If that doesnt work then here are a few other suggestions.
- Update your drives Firmware
- Try burning the ISO as files onto your HD using Shrink. Just to make sure the ISO's are indeed still good.
- Try backing up another DVD you know has worked in the past.
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markjd11
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21. March 2005 @ 18:38 |
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my DMA setting are good. I just updated my firmware, but that wasn't the cause because I had a successful burn after that, before things started going awry. I'll try the other 2 sugestions and get back to you
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markjd11
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21. March 2005 @ 18:51 |
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the backup of the ISO file went fine, using dvdshrink. Also when i do a test run and not a burn using DVD Decrypter it works, only when im actually burning does it fial.
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21. March 2005 @ 18:53 |
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Are you absolutly sure your running in DMA mode?
and those disk's you have you have used before with no problems?
You need to uninstall your IDE controllers and reboot just to be sure your in DMA mode.
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21. March 2005 @ 18:56 |
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You need to try to just burn anything to a DVD like some data. Maybe your documents and a bunch of stuff.. We need to see if it might be possible that your drive is going bad.. ?? Hope not
Maybe clean the lens on the DVDRW (some compressed air will do the trick)
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21. March 2005 @ 19:13 |
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Try bbmayo's suggestions and then try some different media, and... while you are at it, get some DVD-RWs so you can re-use the disc if something goes wrong. You have made enough coasters.
Normally you would get some sort of error message...have you gotten any? IMHO DMA will cause speed issues but should not cause a burn to fail unless you get a buffer underrun because the transfer mode is not fast enough to keep it filled. Pretty much any buffer underrun will give you a buffer underrun error though.
Most programs do a pretty good job of looking over what you intend to burn. There is a file sorting process that puts them in the right sequence for burning. Any problems in this area will also give you an error message.
It seems in this case your burner is making a valiant attempt to write to a disc that for some reason refuses to be written to. It can't give an accurate time remaining indication unless some progress is being made. While all this is going on, running OPCs are occuring. You are apperently not having a problem with the drive's laser or you would be getting an OPC error.
I don't have a very good opinion of TDK discs. I had some that were not even recognized as DVDs. It would not suprise me if you looked closely at your coasters you might even be able to see some blotches in the dye.
Nero will give you a burn log. Can you cut and paste it into a reply?
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markjd11
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21. March 2005 @ 19:25 |
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alright, it also crashes when trying to just burn data, and i just noticed that i should have copied the burn log, my mistake. Im fresh out of DVD's, so ill buy some more.....ill definately get a couple RW's as well. Maybe some different DVD's will help. but like i said these DVD's worked before so I dont know what the deal is. As for the errors, with decrypter its an I/O error the one with the long list of numbers and what not, i dont remember exactly it said. I cant believe the DVD drive is dirty cause its only a couple weeks old.
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21. March 2005 @ 19:32 |
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Howdy bb!
I think between both of us we have narrowed it down to somewhere between the tip of the laser and the surface of the disc.
Thats pretty narrow!
I help a guy once who had one of those white spacer discs that comes with a cake of DVDs stuck in his drive. the thing had a big enough hole in the center that the burn would actually start, get to about 2-3% and then fail. I don't know if he was b.s.-ing me or not!
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markjd11
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21. March 2005 @ 19:42 |
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Alright, I found one more DVD, and trying burning some data with nero. It lasted for about 15 seconds then died. I thought the log was too big to put in here so here's a link to it. http://www.wam.umd.edu/~markjd/log1.htm
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21. March 2005 @ 19:51 |
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I'm getting a dang 404 error when I try to open your page.
It is perfectly alright to cut and paste the entire thing into a reply. Just edit any Nero Serial Numbers out. They usually start with 1a23 or 1a25 etc.
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markjd11
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21. March 2005 @ 19:54 |
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i fixed the link
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21. March 2005 @ 19:56 |
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It works!
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21. March 2005 @ 20:27 |
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Nothing that indicates anything other than what it says-a write error.
You could try slowing the burn speed down but I don't think thats the problem. Most burners will adjust the speed as needed to write to the disc. In your case the burner is adjusting itself to a speed of zero.
You have done everything but try different media. I think it is time to try some Ritek or Verbatim as well as the RWs.
The burn is failing after lead-in and a couple of minutes into the track. Unless your new burner is defective, which happens, I'd say it's bad media.
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markjd11
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21. March 2005 @ 20:35 |
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thanks for all the help, ill do some testing with different media and post my findings
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22. March 2005 @ 03:28 |
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Yeah looks like your burning at max speed x8 should slow it down and see how it goes then. Quote:
Burn process started at 8x (11,080 KB/s)
When ever you are having problems slow the burn speed down!
1. Do you have any packet writing software installed (InCD)? If so get rid of them.
2. Try blowing a little compressed air in your drive it is possible something got in there. It doesnt have to be much.
3. Uninstall all burning software and choose one to reinstall. then try writing with just that program. To make sure nothing is conflicting.
4. It's very possible to get a bad batch of disk's. Try different media.
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DiskPeripheral : MAXTOR 6L080L4 atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
DiskPeripheral : WDC WD400BB-71DGA0 atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : LITEON DVD-ROM LTD163 atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : HP DVD Writer 630c atapi Port 1 ID 1 DMA: On
5. Also would be a good Idea to put your burner on the primary port (Port 0) most motherboards only support DMA 4 or 5 on this port. This probably isn't your problem, but it will allow for faster burning/reading.
OK I just gave you a few more steps to try hopefully one of these gets you where you need to be :-) If not at least we will have eliminated some more possibilities.
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markjd11
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22. March 2005 @ 10:08 |
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OK, i got some new DVD's , verbatims (dvd+r 16x max), and success, both burns went successfully. So note to self never buy TDK's again. I just had one more quick question. My max burn rate i could get out was 9.1, with an average of 6.2 using DVD Decrypter. I have a 16x writer. Is there anyway to boost the writing speed? Aside from making the DVD writer the primary cd drive. Could changing some settings in DVD Decrypter increase burn rate? thanks
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22. March 2005 @ 10:14 |
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About the only things that would effect your burning speed would be. DMA (You may be in DMA 2 mode instead of DMA 4 or 5) to solve that you would most likely have to put that drive on the Primary or IDE 0 port. Could update firmware. Stop all background tasks while burning.
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markjd11
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22. March 2005 @ 13:29 |
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i seem to only have DMA 2 mode, for both primary and secondary. Can i change something to get DMA 4?
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22. March 2005 @ 14:29 |
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LOL,, Sorry yeah the motherboard!
It may be that your board supports UDMA. You need to check your manual. If it does you probably need a 80 wire IDE cable to get the full DMA mode 4 or 5..
hint usually your boards IDE 0 port will be a blue connector for UDMA.. :-)
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22. March 2005 @ 19:14 |
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Personal Opinion:
Be Happy with your current burn speed!
You may be able to "request" a burn speed but most burners that I'm aware of will set the burn speed to give the best burns. The DVD Specification requires a multi-step Optimum Power Check during the lead-in and then a running OPC during the course of the burn. This check constantly adjusts the speed of the burn and the power output of the laser.
High burn speeds are prone to cause write errors even though the burn is successful. Personally I have burned Ritek G-04s at 8x with hacked firmware in a Pioneer A-07 and Taiyo Yuden TY02s at 8X. Just about any other discs I've tried will give me random pixelation at 8X. I usually just burn at 4X. Just my opinion.
Excellent DMA advice, bb!
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justme223
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6. April 2005 @ 15:39 |
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hi guys.
i'm new here to this site.
so i have this problem with my external dvd burner.
when i'm trying to burn on fujifilm dvd-r 4.7 Gb...i think it burns a little then it says something like "buffer underrun error" "select a lower speed"
but i can't go lower then 4x.
and i have enough memory on my dell laptop.
i tried to burn an audio cd and that was ok.
my dvd burner is brandnew.i just got it today!! (sony)
i'm pissed.
i wasted 2 dvd-r.
cause apparently i can't burn on them after the error.
anyways here is the logfile.
hopefully u guys can help me here :-(
========= BEGIN OF LOG ==========
Examples SDK_DATACD
Start Time: Wednesday, April 06, 2005, 07:09:12PM
Processor Architecture: INTEL
Processor Type: INTEL PENTIUM
Processor Level: 15
Microsoft Windows XP version 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
Memory in use: 61%
Total physical memory: 260 MB
Total free physical memory: 100 MB
Total paging file: 636 MB
Total free paging file: 494 MB
Total virtual memory: 2097 MB
Total free virtual memory: 2006 MB
CD Layout: Data DVD
Disc Format: DVD-ROM
File System: UDF
Bootable CD: No
Total Data Blocks: 1644256
CD-Recorder: SONY DVD RW DW-D22A (E:)
Firmware Version: BYS2
Disc Media: DVD-R
Free Disc Blocks: 2298496
Test: No
Write Speed: 4x
Write Method: Track-At-Once
Close Disc: Yes
Leave Session Open: No
Error Code: 1012
CDB: AA 00 00 00 00 20 00 00 00 20 00 00
SenseKey:05 ASC:21 ASCQ:00
Finish Time: Wednesday, April 06, 2005, 07:10:01PM
========== END OF LOG ==========
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6. April 2005 @ 18:49 |
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hi justme223,
First ge some DVD-RW discs so that if you do make a mistake you can re-use them. The RW stands for ReWriteable.
Buffer underrun is caused by the recieving device taking in data faster than it can be supplied. In this case it is your burner buffer that can't be supplied fast enough.
The very first thing to check is to see what kind of USB port you have the burner connected to. If it is a USB 1.0 then that is more than likely the problem. You need a USB 2 connection to maintain the minimum data transfer rate your burner needs. There are converters available for this. Another thing to consider is adding more RAM although your numbers don't look totally bad.
Burning a CD takes a lot less data throughput than a DVD but at least you know it works.
Some programs don't give you an otion for a slower speed. What program are you using now?
DVD Decrypter does give you a speed control option.
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justme223
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7. April 2005 @ 13:15 |
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i'm using NTI DVDMAKER GOLD
well i tried with a verbatim 1x-8x speed and with this 1 it did work.
so that means fujifilm is not good??
fujifilm is dvd-r and verbatim is dvd+r(although i dont think that would have a big effect cause i'm using now verbatim dvd-rw)
btw..my usb is 2.0
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7. April 2005 @ 20:29 |
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I don't have the greatest opinion of Fujifilm.
One effect of using a DVD-RW is that they usually have a slower burn speed so that may help you from getting a buffer underrun.
Verbatim is a very good media and +R or -R shouldn't make any difference to your burner. -Rs seem a bit more compatible with more players though. I don't have a problem with either format.
The bottom line is that you were successful with your copy program, burner, media and PC setup so why don't you burn a couple more to the RW and then try using something besides the Fujifilm media. I recommend Ritek G04 4x, Taiyo Yuden TYG02 8X, and Verbatim 4X media. These are what I'm using without problems.
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