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Qoob - Upcomming no-swap modchip.
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saltonsea
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26. March 2005 @ 06:25 |
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Meow .. bitch fight....lol
Regardless i hope for you guys sake it is just a mere bios update for the Viper, I'll wait and will get the qoob chip looks like a more stable piece of engineering, plus it has USB vs Parallel, smaller and more compact.
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Artlover
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26. March 2005 @ 06:41 |
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What exactly did I say that was insulting?
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Well, you must either be rich or increadibly lazy.
Mostly that "increadibly lasy" bit.
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If they think this chip will solve their dre problems or whatever, then more power to them. But if you're having dre problems now, I hope you know (I'm not talking to anyone specific, so you know) that this chip won't solve it. Almost all dres are from a combination of your burner and media, and how compatible they are with each other.
True, but what does any of this have to do with this thread. No said it would fix them. No one was even talking about them. No-swap, if real, was supposed to be the topic of conversation. That is if you can get past all the replies that it's fake or a viper clone.
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Anyway, Artlover, I'm not trying to insult you. And I'm sorry if I did, really.
No problem, I kinda just woke up in a bad mood today, and the way that one comment read struck me wrong.
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I just don't really expect people on these forums to be old enough to have been working with anything for 20+ years.
34 here. Had my first soldering iron when I was 12. One of the first things I did back in those days was build an audio digitizer board for my Commodore 64. Hardest part was teaching myself 6502 assembly language to program for it, as basic sure wasn't fast enough.
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gulliver
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26. March 2005 @ 07:09 |
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as far as my comment about dres, I just figured (I know it's not why you are) that a lot of people are fed up with dres and would get this chip hoping it would be better for dres. I just don't want someone to go to the trouble of desoldering their viper, installing the qoob and finding that it doesn't solve their problems;)
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34 here. Had my first soldering iron when I was 12. One of the first things I did back in those days was build an audio digitizer board for my Commodore 64. Hardest part was teaching myself 6502 assembly language to program for it, as basic sure wasn't fast enough.
23 here. I think it's so cool that you're in your thirties and still into the scene:) I know I'll be the same way in ten years;)
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My Gamecube: ViperGC with Cobra 1.0
My PS2: flip top (clear green) and swap magic 3.3
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AceMilo
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27. March 2005 @ 18:11 |
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I was thinking about something. Even if it works without swap, you have to jump the lid sensor so it thinks its always closed, so 2 disc games will never work for it, at least with viper they could probably figure something out since they have the passthru. So, who cares about no swap? Ya it saves 8 seconds, but if thats the only benefit, you can't even turn qoob off since the lid is always closed, so 2 disc originals won't ever work. Sounds like a raw deal.
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petertje6
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27. March 2005 @ 22:34 |
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hey,
i am new here and i have some questions.
what is the difference between the Qoob Pro and SX chip and wich one should i buy.
and if i only want to play burned games on my GC i don't need other things like a SD card?
greetz
Peter
p.s. : and i hope with all my heart it is not a april fool joke:D
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AceMilo
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28. March 2005 @ 10:46 |
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If it is real who cares? You can't even play orginal 2 disc games let alone copies. See my above post.
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indienemo
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28. March 2005 @ 11:13 |
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Im trying to stay neutral in this, its good for everyone isnt it, if it comes out, people can buy a new chip and people who have a viper get the bios anyway, why so much anger
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DixonButz
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28. March 2005 @ 11:16 |
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Even if it works without swap, you have to jump the lid sensor so it thinks its always closed
First I have heard of that. You have a source for that info?
You are talking about the Qoob?
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AceMilo
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28. March 2005 @ 11:34 |
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I coulda swarn on the qoob site under the install diagrams they show you you have to jump the lid sensor by soldering a wire to 2 points on the underside of the lid sensor connector. Nevermind, I'm an ass, it does have a passthru, ignore my post (derf on my part).
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Artlover
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28. March 2005 @ 11:39 |
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Edit: never mind the below, you already figured it out. :)
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I was thinking about something. Even if it works without swap, you have to jump the lid sensor so it thinks its always closed, so 2 disc games will never work for it, at least with viper they could probably figure something out since they have the passthru. So, who cares about no swap? Ya it saves 8 seconds, but if thats the only benefit, you can't even turn qoob off since the lid is always closed, so 2 disc originals won't ever work. Sounds like a raw deal.
Why are you assuming the lid sensor need to be kept closed??
The lid sensor ONLY relates to methods where you have to swap as you can't let the system know that you have changed the original disc with a copied one in an attempt to circumvent the protection.
If this is a no-swap chip, then it's irrevelent and the lid sensor can be free to act like normal since you are not relying on swaping anything to load backups. 2 disc games will work just fine.
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AceMilo
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28. March 2005 @ 19:32 |
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Ya I realized my mistake, however after thinking about it, why would it even need a passthru in the first place? If it is a true no swap chip then there should be no need for a lid sensor passthru yet the qoob has one. I would really just like to see some solid info about this chip and not just marketing hype.
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gulliver
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28. March 2005 @ 21:57 |
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Ya I realized my mistake, however after thinking about it, why would it even need a passthru in the first place? If it is a true no swap chip then there should be no need for a lid sensor passthru yet the qoob has one. I would really just like to see some solid info about this chip and not just marketing hype.
I was thinking the same thing. Sounds kinda fishy to me...
mrunix, bring forth your golden gamecube and deliver us to the promised land.
My Gamecube: ViperGC with Cobra 1.0
My PS2: flip top (clear green) and swap magic 3.3
My laptop: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ w/512RAM, 60gig HD
My desktop: AMD Athl
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28. March 2005 @ 22:58 |
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All I have to say is why would they build a site directed around this chip,and then have so many modchip distributors put it on preorder.I don't really think it is fake.You all know gamefreax.com right the modchip distributor.They are a pretty reputable modchip distributor.They also where the first to have the Viper modchip.I know it does sound kinda fishy right,but trust me a modchip distributor such as this one would not even display it if it was fake.The multi disc thing would work since it would keep reading any disc you pop in the system also.I think with any product it will take some time before any real information will be released.They have to manufactor the chips also which takes a long time.I don't know,but hopefully it is true and I do believe the 2 extra wires has something to do with it.Oh another thing I don't think the Viper will support the bios file,because the Viper uses Parrallel port where the Qoob is going to use USB.I think this is going to make a big difference in the bios.I don't know to be honest I will just wait and see if it is real or not.You are all right though,there really isn't enough information on the modchip at the momment.
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gulliver
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29. March 2005 @ 07:05 |
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All I have to say is why would they build a site directed around this chip,and then have so many modchip distributors put it on preorder.I don't really think it is fake.You all know gamefreax.com right the modchip distributor.They are a pretty reputable modchip distributor.They also where the first to have the Viper modchip.I know it does sound kinda fishy right,but trust me a modchip distributor such as this one would not even display it if it was fake.The multi disc thing would work since it would keep reading any disc you pop in the system also.I think with any product it will take some time before any real information will be released.They have to manufactor the chips also which takes a long time.I don't know,but hopefully it is true and I do believe the 2 extra wires has something to do with it.Oh another thing I don't think the Viper will support the bios file,because the Viper uses Parrallel port where the Qoob is going to use USB.I think this is going to make a big difference in the bios.I don't know to be honest I will just wait and see if it is real or not.You are all right though,there really isn't enough information on the modchip at the momment.
You misunderstand me. I'm not suggesting that it's fake; I'm suggesting that it's not a true no-swap mod. I think there has to be some kind of swap procedure involved since it has a pass-thru.
As far as the bios. I don't see why it would matter that you flash the chip with USB instead of parallel. The only thing I could think of is that their bios might be too big to fit on the viper, but they can always modify it to make it fit.
mrunix, bring forth your golden gamecube and deliver us to the promised land.
My Gamecube: ViperGC with Cobra 1.0
My PS2: flip top (clear green) and swap magic 3.3
My laptop: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ w/512RAM, 60gig HD
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29. March 2005 @ 08:34 |
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Nah gulliver the Parrallel and USB do differ as for the functions.This is why the bios will not work,reason why is the bios will call different functions then the normal Cobra bios.Maybe if someone rebuilt the bios,but nah not possible to just pop it into the Viper without it being reconstructed.The modchip being a no swap mod,sure it is possible I think.Technology is moving fast these days and I am sure they don't want to mention alot about what is making it a no swap modchip.If they revealed how they made it a no swap modchip,Viper would take that idea and implement it into their modchip.Then the Qoob would lose money on their chip,because they just told everyone their product.Think about it though do they really want to start telling people right now even though the modchip isn't out yet.
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gulliver
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29. March 2005 @ 08:42 |
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I still see no explanation as to why it needs passthru. I guess we'll find out when it's released.
I'm not saying I don't believe you about the difference between it have USB and parallel. It just doesn't make sense to me. I see it as just a more convenient way of flashing the chip. But I'll take your word for it.
mrunix, bring forth your golden gamecube and deliver us to the promised land.
My Gamecube: ViperGC with Cobra 1.0
My PS2: flip top (clear green) and swap magic 3.3
My laptop: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ w/512RAM, 60gig HD
My desktop: AMD Athl
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29. March 2005 @ 08:46 |
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It's cool man,I am just speculating is all.For all I know I could be wrong about the bios.At the momment though not enough information,probably when it comes out they will reveal more if it is a true no swap.
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Artlover
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29. March 2005 @ 10:21 |
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This is just assuming and guessing on my part, but how about this.
A lot of people use full size media and do so by taking the top of their cube off, which means the lid sensor switch doesn't function correctly. So maybe it's there for these people so the qoob can send phony lid open/close commands like for 2 disc games that need to see that that disc swap took place.
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l34merik
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29. March 2005 @ 10:53 |
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the chips sound cool and maybe too good. I'll just wait until it comes out and people have actually brough and experimented its quality first
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AceMilo
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29. March 2005 @ 11:16 |
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Artlover that is possible. However, if that is true, then, again, multidiscs won't work since the gc stops the disc then respins it when the lid is opened/closed which is controlled by the gc. With a passthru, the chip intercepts those signals. I guess it would be possible to actively intercept the signal and send a "lid is closed" messsage after x seconds, but if it could do that the viper could do that too. AFAIK the bios on the chip isn't active, its just active until it loads the game. I don't know if the passthru just jumps those wires internally (look at the ripper where you have to jump those 2 pins on the lid sensor, I'm thinking the viper/qoob just does this solderlessly) or if it actively intercepts and sends signals, but if it does, then the viper can do everything the qoob can do afaik. We defintely do need more info tho. I think there is a lot of hype involved and ppl aren't thinking about this enough. I don't care if it is real or fake, I'm not speculating on the validity of the chip, I just want to know more. A true no-swap chip would have no need for a lid sensor passthru, altho you are right you couldn't use full size discs with the lid off, but at the same time there will be no 2 disc games. It doesn't seem like its an option on the install either, it looks mandatory from the pics on their site. I dunno, looks fishy.
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Squished
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30. March 2005 @ 06:29 |
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Want a good solid reason the qoob would need a passthrough for the lid sensor
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Because it needs to detect when the lid has been closed so it can feed fake BCA info to the laser mech in prep for a boot.
It sounds to me that it is more likely tapping into the fact that the lid is open/closed than attempting to prevent the cube from seeing the status of the lid.
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Gawd, now I feel like the geezer of the group. 38 and soldering since I was 7 on model railroads. Similar interests to Artlover... Programming in 6502 assembly at 14, building custom add-on cards and burning eproms at 16. Had all the roms replaced in that Apple II with a customized basic and full lower case support.
edit: Hmm... Looks like AceMilo came to the same conclusion first. Ohh well, that's what I get for not reading the whole thread before posting.
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DixonButz
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30. March 2005 @ 16:09 |
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Where does it say the Qoob has a pass through?
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AceMilo
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30. March 2005 @ 17:57 |
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DixonButz
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31. March 2005 @ 03:27 |
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Thanks. Didn't know it was in the disassemble section. Haven't looked in that section for a while since I know how to disassemble a 'cube.
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AceMilo
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2. April 2005 @ 10:39 |
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Taken from the cobra 1.0 bios pre-release nfo:
It appears that one of our beta-testers leaked a beta of Cobra 1.0 one month ago. We'll do all beta testing by ourselves now. We find it's an amazing coincidence that a swapless chip was announced two weeks after the leak. Please don't support thieves.
So, it appears the qoob is just a rip off of the viper after all. At least us viper users now will have the exact same thing soon :).
EDIT: Screw the qoob! Cobra 1.0 is out now, no more swapping!
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