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Official Spanglish Thread
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6. May 2005 @ 10:02 |
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Brobear - i did say yourself 'not' included. For a minute i saw 'Creaky' then that huge reply and thought oh no i've put my foot in it again !!.
I do find your posts very informative and appreciate the detail you provide. I was refering to a select few out there whose forum names should be 'anydvd'. ps your reply reminded me to do a little research into RB/CCE...
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6. May 2005 @ 10:44 |
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Creaky,
Maybe that post should have been split up a bit. A bunch of it was info for newbies that might wander by. I took no offense from what you said, though on some occasions I may have sounded like a commercial in other threads. ;) My intent has been only to suggest a good app to work with. I constantly promote DVD Decrypter as well and point out the differences in the apps and some of the different usage scenarios where both are handy. A lot of people don't consider the fact there is more to the programs than just decrypting, nor do they take into account that the programs operate in a different manner. Since the Decrypter is free, I can see where a lot of people might not want to pay retail for a decrypter, especially if they're not into a lot of DVD backups.
On the matter of researching RB, that can be a no cost situation. Here is a link for you. http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/ There you will find info and an installer. Saves the problem of the old manual install. I liked doing it the piece by piece method with Vurbal's guide available here at AD. It gave a better feel for the way the program is set up. The CCE SP trial is available off the net (it has a big blue logo on the video output). BTW, the CCE Basic trial won't work, it times out (just in case you don't read all about the trials on the Custom Technologies site). The RB includes a freeware encoder now if one wants to use it, good quality, but slower than CCE (quality?). CCE Basic is worth the price to make the RB work the best, only about $50. For a $10 donation one can upgrade from the freeware RB to the Pro Beta (which is slated to be retail soon). VIP members are slated to get the retail versions when they come out. So, you have the option of free or retail with RB.
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6. May 2005 @ 10:52 |
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cheers for that Brobear, that's saved me some work; i think i have read a little about this - when you said 'piece by piece' method i vaguely recall seeing a post with like 8 different parts to install.
Now back to fighting with one of my 500capacity DVD wallets, they're like tents :)
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6. May 2005 @ 11:14 |
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4 programs, 5 if you count DVD Decrypter (the ripper of choice on this one). DGDecode (the decoder), AviSynth, CCE (or another of the supported transcoders/encoders), and Rebuilder. It's not difficult if you are familiar with setting up multiple program apps. You burn with an app of choice. If you don't have a burner or decrypter, 6 programs. But as I said, the installer is at RB.COM and the easy way to go. You don't have to google around to find the various components. The CCE section at http://www.Zentarium.com has some of the sites and info. Not all of the latest versions of DGDecode and AviSynth will work with Rebuilder. The only drawback some find with Rebuilder is the time involved. It takes me on average about 2 to 2.5 hours to do a 2 pass encode. With RB the cost of quality is time. For quick jobs and where high compression isn't a problem, I use DVDCopy3 from http://www.InterVideo.com . There is a full function trial if you like to play with new apps. It makes excellent backups. Here is the link for one of the big RB threads here at AD. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/81/97052#1003076
Have fun with the tent.
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8. May 2005 @ 11:47 |
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1 click dvd works great .....its all about the movie,no add ons,no start menu,just the movie
beauty is in the eyes of the beerholder
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8. May 2005 @ 17:52 |
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1ClickDVDCopy does full disk and movie only. I had the retail version and didn't think much of it. Under slight magnification one can see a break up of the pixels. At normal viewing that sometimes appears as a slightly fuzzy picture. The higher the compression, the worse the picture with this one. Quick and easy, but definitely not a quality transcoder. I deleted it to save space. (With 300GB of storage, space isn't much of an issue.) ;)
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23. May 2005 @ 09:44 |
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I too have used Decryptor (using the movie only selection), Shrink and Nero, but on Spanglish (and a few others out there) you get many read errors back-to-back early in the second segment - some new copy protection. I just turned on the "Ignore read errors" in Decryptor and set the "Read retries" to 3 (so it wouldn't keep reading over and over before giving up) - although it takes longer to rip because of the errors, it does in fact work, with no discernable loss of quality in the final product. Patience is the key word here.
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YOBUZZB
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28. May 2005 @ 20:57 |
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I can't believe Spanglish is still a problem for some people. Saw a post from the moderator stating it's a shame they have to add a link for Spanglish before some people would actually read the threads. Unbelievable!
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brobear
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28. May 2005 @ 21:22 |
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YOBUZZB
No need to worry about it. You'll find some people can have trouble with just about anything. On AD, you'll find if a problem can happen, somebody will usually have trouble and ask about it. A lot of people come to AD for help and you'll see some of the more rare and limited problems posted here. Spanglish never was a problem except for a limited few.
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28. May 2005 @ 21:27 |
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BTW, I don't think the addition of a Spanglish thread would increase the popularity except for someone else having a problem with Spanglish. Frankly, I never thought the movie was that much of a big deal.
Sort of funny. A lot of problems with different movies are the same. Same type encryption systems in a lot of cases. People tend not to learn how to use various decryption software. Instead of reading the guides and learning how software works, they find it easier to go on a forum and say "it doesn't work, help me". Structural encryption with bad sectors has been common for some time now. However, you see people constantly saying I can't do a backup due to that particular problem. As I said, just a matter of learning how the software works. The majority of people no longer have problems with bad sectors and only the occasional new encryption offering by the studios causes any problems. Those are usually taken care of by the better software providers in short order. A lot of the problems come from users not understanding the software or making problems for themselves in the way they use the software. If you look at a lot of threads, you'll notice there is a lot of repetition in the help threads as far as telling users what to do to solve their problems.
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2. June 2005 @ 20:03 |
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The Seed of Chucky (Unrated) is a pretty hard rip. Shrink can't rip it so you have to use decrypter. Once ripped to your hd, shrink still has the same problem. I had to click "Compress video with high quality adapative error compensation", to actually make it work.
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3. June 2005 @ 00:20 |
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"I had to click "Compress video with high quality adapative error compensation", to actually make it work."
Sorry but, you are wrong. Performing Deep Analysis or using the AEC function of DVD Shrink has no bearing on if you can backup or cannot backup a movie. Basically, AEC (Adaptive Error Compensation) is just a more critical, thorough form of the "Deep Analysis" feature.
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3. June 2005 @ 12:00 |
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Sorry but, you are wrong. Performing Deep Analysis or using the AEC function of DVD Shrink has no bearing on if you can backup or cannot backup a movie. Basically, AEC (Adaptive Error Compensation) is just a more critical, thorough form of the "Deep Analysis" feature.
Thanks for your input but you are not listening.
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When video is compressed, small errors or artifacts are introduced. This is an unavoidable consequence of video compression, and DVD Shrink cannot prevent this from happening. However, it can keep these artifacts to a minimum.
I am aware of what "that" feature is for. I am just telling you what "I" used to backup my copy of the movie.
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3. June 2005 @ 12:09 |
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You said this:
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" Once ripped to your hd, shrink still has the same problem. I had to click "Compress video with high quality adapative error compensation", to actually make it work.
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Would you like to retract your statement then?
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3. June 2005 @ 21:20 |
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Would you like to retract your statement then?
If I wanted to retract it then I would've edited a long time ago. As I said before, I said that "I" used that method. Meaning that was the method I used to make it work. You may choose other methods, who cares if you do.
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8. June 2005 @ 08:03 |
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dvdripdvd, you are right and i completely agree with you. jmet, stop instigating the situation by fighting with someone who is trying to help others. dvdrip, i used your method and it worked for me as well. after i used decryptor to put it on my hd, i tried using shrink to no avail, however when 'clicking' on the "Compress video with high quality adapative error compensation" it worked for me as well. Good post. jmet, lay off man. :)
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8. June 2005 @ 20:46 |
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dvdripdvd, you are right and i completely agree with you. jmet, stop instigating the situation by fighting with someone who is trying to help others. dvdrip, i used your method and it worked for me as well. after i used decryptor to put it on my hd, i tried using shrink to no avail, however when 'clicking' on the "Compress video with high quality adapative error compensation" it worked for me as well. Good post. jmet, lay off man. :)
congrats memfrican. finally someone who understands. Hitch is another "Sony" dvd so expect the usual of dummy sectors added during ripping.
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8. June 2005 @ 20:56 |
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"Compress video with high quality adaptive error compensation" is a "Quality" setting which is intended to improve quality for larger movies where compression errors occurr. As many people said Shrink was a superior app before this feature, one is left wondering what problem you could be having other than compression related problems. So, what problems was this feature supposed to have solved, other than possible skipping and other compression related errors? (Just a note, even before the "Quality" settings option, Shrink would work well at moderate to high compression levels.)
Before we have a disagreement over what is being said, let's make sure we're on the same track, not just arguing for arguments sake.
We all have the right to state our findings and to disagree or agree. That is the significance of the forum. It isn't nice to be rude, but disagreeing isn't rude unless one is trying to start a "flamer". The mods are the only ones with the power to say layoff. So, if one is having a problem with what is being said, call a mod. You have the selection to report an offensive post.
My position on this is that the "Compress video with high quality adaptive error compensation" is a "Quality" setting and the only problems it solves are compression related ones relating to picture quality and the skipping errors caused by high compression. Most movies done with movie only can easily be done without the "Quality" settings in use. Also, unless the size is near 7GB and above, movies can be done without the setting, though picture quality might suffer a bit. The big blockbusters like LOTR: Return of the King are where this setting shines.
So, dvdripdvd and memfrican, if the setting is the only way you can do certain movies (shouldn't be the case with all movies, especially smaller ones), is that due to compression errors? If that is the case, then I think everyone is in agreement. If not, what problem is this setting supposed to be correcting? If we need to get into a technical discussion on Shrink, there is a section devoted specifically to all things Shrink. We can take the discussion there where all the Shrink experts can lend their expertise.
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8. June 2005 @ 21:03 |
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I noticed mention of dummy sectors, which is a matter of encryption. "Quality" settings have nothing to do with encryption. As I said, if you doubt my word, check with the folks in the Shrink section. Note the dummy sectors are in the original and those play well on the standalone players. The bad sector encryption is there to stop the recording process. By the time the backup comes to the portion of the recording process where "Quality" settings are invoked, the bad sector encryption has already been broken, or should have been. Both DVD Decrypter and AnyDVD have been excellent at overcoming the problem if Shrink faltered.
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8. June 2005 @ 21:05 |
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i sense the chucky question is going to go on for a long time. back to Spanglish!
dummy sectors being added meaning dummy sectors being added during the use of DVD Decrypter.
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8. June 2005 @ 21:27 |
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Actually Spanglish has pretty much run its course. It wasn't an overly difficult movie to backup. Some people have problems with most any movie. This thread can venture off to other topics, Spanglish problems fall under general problems run into with other movies and usually just a matter of proper decryption.
There are so many variables involved with doing a recording, most people don't realize what is involved for everything to work right. You have the source with its encryption. You have the DVD ROM that reads the source with its firmware. Then you have the physical condition of both the ROM and the source. From there you go on to the recorder (burner), it's firmware. Then you get into the PC, the operating system and the software. All that has to be compatible and believe me, there has been many a problem from just these. Then you have the industry coming up with newer encryption systems. Luckily, so far the software developers have kept the decryption software working better than the encryption. Unfortunately, we have lost some of the freeware development. DVD Decrypter was just stopped being updated. Lightning UK no longer is going to keep up its support. However, it should be good for some time. Shrink is already feeling some obsolescence. But DVD Decrypter and AnyDVD has helped considerably and Shrink has remained viable even though it is no longer being updated.
So, if you want to discuss Chucky, we can probably do that, though starting a Chucky thread might have been more appropriate. Getting into a more detailed discussion on Shrink would be more appropriate in the Shrink section. If you go either way, post the link to the new thread here so we can keep track of where the discussion goes.
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8. June 2005 @ 21:36 |
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dummy sectors being added meaning dummy sectors being added during the use of DVD Decrypter.
If by that you are implying that the "Quality" settings somehow help process dummy sectors, then I become a bit dubious. As I mentioned, those settings were intended to alleviate compression related issues. So in processing the dummy sectors, those settings do no more than in processing the other files included in the movie.
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8. June 2005 @ 21:51 |
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BTW, I'm not disagreeing with your choice to use the "Quality" settings in doing your movie. If you're willing to invest the extra time, it's a good choice. It gives superior picture quality when compression is involved. However, I suspect your improvements are from the better transcoding of the movie files and not the processing of bad sectors. Quote:
When video is compressed, small errors or artifacts are introduced. This is an unavoidable consequence of video compression, and DVD Shrink cannot prevent this from happening. However, it can keep these artifacts to a minimum.
I believe compression flaws is what your own quote is indicative of and not just processing dummy sectors.
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8. June 2005 @ 22:57 |
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My point exactly brobear! Using AEC makes no difference what so ever if you are or aren't successful in backing up a movie. AEC is for quality purposes only! Hence why it is on the "Quality Settings" tab in DVD Shrink.
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"We can take the discussion there where all the Shrink experts can lend their expertise."
I am a DVD Shrink expert. - http://forum.digital-digest.com/member.php?u=12756
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9. June 2005 @ 01:49 |
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There is more to the "Quality" settings than just picture quality. As I tried to point out, there are some functional aspects involved with the integrity of the transcoded video. Skipping and jumping problems are a compression issue as well as video quality. To that degree, AEC does help in creating a more functional output. "Quality" settings could have just as easily been named "Compression" settings. At low compression, the "Quality" settings aren't needed.
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