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Official Spanglish Thread
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5. April 2005 @ 19:22 |
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Well it looks like another Resident Evil type possibility with Spanglish. Many threads starting up with members thinking ANOTHER NEW ENCRYPTION. I have read most of the threads out there already and this is my take on this movie. Its seem about a 50 50 split on those able to back it and and those who can't. Those with success have tried many different ways and all seem to work. Those that can't back it up have 2 possible answers.
1. Your decrypting software is an old version that needs updating.
2. If your software is up to date and you have had success with other movies, then you probably have a bad original.
We are seeing more and more BAD PRESSINGS of new movies lately than ever before. I don't know exactly why but it is getting to be a regular ordeal. What I am trying to get across is if 50% of the people say they had success with a movie doing nothing different then your problem isn't software related if you have the latest versions. DVD's with bad pressing may play just fine on a player but won't rip properly. I know this from first hand experience with 2 of the newer movies already. I exchanged the dvds and the second one copied just great. I hope this helps some of you from pulling out your hair over Spanglish. Good luck.
Jerry
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YOBUZZB
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5. April 2005 @ 20:10 |
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Your explanation of the situation is the only one that makes good sense. Thanks for your posting!
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6. April 2005 @ 14:02 |
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Glad it helped someone. Good luck in your burning.
Jerry
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7. April 2005 @ 05:37 |
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7. April 2005 @ 06:50 |
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You know, Jerry, I was thinking the same thing last week but I assumed people new to try DVD Decrypter first before going to shrink since the problem has happened many times before.
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djlen
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7. April 2005 @ 09:02 |
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Jerry -
Here's an experience I haven't read anywhere else, that I wanted to throw into the mix.
I burned Spanglish, using Decrypter to rip; Shrink to resize; and Nero to burn. All apps. are the latest versions and completely up to date.
After burning, when placed into the DVD player the screen is black with no sound. If I click on 'menu' I get one but there's sign of the movie being played.
If I then skip ahead to the 3rd chapter(2nd chapter doesn't work) and then rewind back to the beginning of the movie, it plays fine.
So all of it's there, but doesn't come up as to all other movies I've burned.
BTW, before this I've had in the neighborhood of 60 - 70 successful burns in a row, using authentic Taiyo Yudens.
Does this point to a 'bad pressing'? Or is there something else going on here?
Len
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7. April 2005 @ 09:24 |
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wow djlen, I did the exact same thing you did, decrypt, shrink, and Nero and it worked for me. when you used shrink, did you take anything out?
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djlen
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7. April 2005 @ 09:42 |
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No, it's a pretty small file, so I just used 'main title', took out a couple of foreign subtitles and had my 100%, and burned it that way.
I'm thinking it's what a lot of people are saying. There are some bad pressings going around. There are a lot of people coming up with problems over this movie, and a lot that are having no problems at all. Just too much of a co-incidence.
I posted my experience to see if that sounded like a symptom of a bad pressing.
I'd like to get some feedback on that.
Len
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7. April 2005 @ 10:19 |
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7. April 2005 @ 10:22 |
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djlen: I used the same method on Spanglish as you: DVD Decrypter, Shrink, then Nero to burn; and had no problems. Before you burned to disk, did your ripped file play on your computer dvd?
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7. April 2005 @ 12:02 |
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@djlen, Thats a little different problem than usual. As stated possibly you need a firmware update or even a bad blank disc. You can get a bad disc even with the best media at times. Its just not too likely with the better brands. Maybe retry it again with a RW disc and see if you get the same exact problem.
Jerry
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djlen
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7. April 2005 @ 12:08 |
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I already did and discovered on the second 'failure', the same exact glitch as in the first.
I deleted the file used in the first burn and started over from scratch with Decrypter, with exactly the same results as the first one.
I'm convinced there's some bad discs out there with this movie. They are probably good enough to play OK, but are a problem to back up. Just too many discrepancies in reports....some are burning with no problem and others end up with crap. And many of the folks reporting, are using up to date applications with differing results.
I'm going to borrow a copy from a friend and see how it goes with a different 'original'.
Oh, BTW my firware is up to date as well.
I have not read where anyone has successfully ripped this movie using DVD Shrink. If anyone has, please reply.
Len
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7. April 2005 @ 12:21 |
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7. April 2005 @ 13:53 |
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Having already been successful with my copies of AnyDVD and CloneDVD 2, I tried the combination of AnyDVD, DVD Shrink and burned automatically with DVD Decrypter. Another success Watched the copied movie and detected no problems. So I guess the confusion of people and programs continues.
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7. April 2005 @ 14:46 |
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Have you tried ripping your copy with Decrypter without AnyDVD running and then running it through Shrink?
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djlen
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7. April 2005 @ 14:49 |
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As previously stated, I believe it really depends on the 'original' that is used and some are faulty.
I didn't have this problem previously and have backed up 4 discs since with no errors or glitches.
I will be borrowing another copy of Spanglish soon and will try to back that up to see if I get a different result.
Jerry - I used my trial version of AnyDVD and so can't use that app. any more without paying for it. I've had such great results with the freebies, I hesitate to spend $40 for something I don't need.
I will purchase it if, down the road I run into problems with decrypting that DVD Decrypter can't handle.
I will say that everything I've read indicates that people who have used AnyDVD have had less issues with this particular movie.
I've also read on the Decrypter Forum that AnyDVD interferes with the functionality of Decrypter in some ways. They advise not keeping it on your computer if you use Decrypter. I didn't have any problem with it when it was on mine for my trial period.
Any feedback on that?
Len
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7. April 2005 @ 15:37 |
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I was just thinking that Anydvd and Clonedvd2 might confirm a bad original if they also didn't work. As to the conflict between DVD Decrypter and Anydvd I see none. I have both installed. Maybe a conflict if both were trying to be used at the same time but not by having them installed. The only time I had a problem with Anydvd was after I uninstalled and reinstalled Nero Ultra one time. After the reinstall I opened Anydvd to try Nero Recode. Anydvd opened OK but I kept getting a copy protection message. I had to reinstall Anydvd also. I couldn't understand what happened. I decided to try the same thing again. I uninstalled Nero--reinstalled Nero and then tried Anydvd again. Same problem again, Anydvd wouldn't decrypt anymore until I reinstalled again. I still don't know why it does that. You get some weird reactions with this stuff.
Jerry
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7. April 2005 @ 15:53 |
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I have noticed that the newer releases from Columbia Studios have bad
sectors inserted to prevent backups. The only way I have found that works is AnyDVD and Shrink.
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7. April 2005 @ 17:03 |
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7. April 2005 @ 22:55 |
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@wild77 - from that thread -
somebody had posted Quote:
Just a note to some people. If you are using the new DVD Decrypter 3.5.2.0, and AnyDVD, movies with the new type protections (Sony ARccOS), such as on Forgotten, a conflict happens.
I don't know the cure, other than I disabled AnyDVD and DVD Decrypter worked fine.
LIGHTNING UK's response Quote:
"The bug is with AnyDVD because it's the one that would make the disc look unprotected.
They have a new version out now that's supposed to handle that title.
Having said that, it's pretty pointless running the two programs anyway. DVD Decrypter does it all on it's own, it doesn't need help! lol
So obviously ppl have to keep up with the updates, but i knew i'd read it somewhere..
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8. April 2005 @ 19:09 |
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Shame they will only see this thread if we link them to it :)
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8. April 2005 @ 23:10 |
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AnyDVD and DVD Decrypter function differently. As we know, AnyDVD is a driver type that breaks the encryption by working in the background. DVD Decrypter rips the decrypted files to the HD. I ran into the bad sector problem mentioned running AnyDVD and Decrypter on a couple of movies. Simple solutions, turn the AnyDVD off or use another app to rip the files.
There are a couple of reasons for running AnyDVD and Decrypter together. One is because in some instances AnyDVD has solved encryption problems before Decrypter. Also, since I like using HD files, and in some cases are necessary, I needed the Decrypter to rip to the HD. Shrink set to No Compression is a handy ripper with AnyDVD (rips at about the same speed as Decrypter). Lately though, Lightning UK has been keeping the Decrypter up to date quickly, so running the AnyDVD along with it isn't necessary. However, AnyDVD is set to run on startup as a default setting. Nice they worked the bugs out. I still have a tendency to let AnyDVD and Decrypter run at the same time, haven't been having any problems of late and it doesn't hurt anything. I have more than enough RAM to handle both.
For those who like to keep putting off a purchase of retail apps. The big reason for purchase is because they make things easier. In the case of software, freeware can often do a task. In the case of AnyDVD it makes the copying process easier. Example, Shrink's decryption software is obsolete. Running AnyDVD along with Shrink has it copying like Shrink was intended. No need to rip with Decrypter and then Shrink. Also, AnyDVD decrypts for any software that needs it. With DVD5 movies, I simply use AnyDVD and use the burner app to burn the copy. The backup takes little longer than the burn time. So, just because one can use a ripper like DVD Decrypter and get the job done, AnyDVD can make the job easier in many cases. As noted AnyDVD also functions differently and is essential if one has an app that will record on the fly and the user wants to use that function. Recode2 and DVDCopy3 readily come to mind. I consider both DVD Decrypter and AnyDVD to be essential programs if one is going to backup a lot of diffent movies using different encoding/transcoding software.
Another point is that AnyDVD often has encryption systems solved before other programs. It's retail, so they should. So, there are a number of reasons to purchase AnyDVD. The only reason I can think not to have it is because one can work at it and get a copy of a movie using freeware. DVD43 is the freeware program similar to AnyDVD. You can ask anyone who has experience with both, the retail AnyDVD is the better of the 2. If I was worried about free all the time, I doubt I would have bought a PC, a burner, and media. I consider retail software just another small investment to enjoy using my PC. Don't get me wrong, I still use DVD Decrypter often and I still use Shrink for utilities. I just like having the right app to do particular tasks.
In the end I find Jerry746 stated part of the situation well. Keep the software up to date. To that I add, use the best software available for a task. Spanglish doesn't appear to be any more of a problem than the past ARccOS encrypted movies. Different software combinations and different procedures by users often deliver the different results obtained by various users.
One thing a lot of people may not know, during the transcoding process, DVD Shrink corrects minor structural problems created by "bad sector" encryption. So, often using Shrink as a ripper or as a transcoder while breaking the encryption with AnyDVD will do a good job. I've noticed in some cases where DVD Decrypter will rip the file, but still leave the structural problem created by the bad sector encryption. As I stated earlier, I prefer in cases like that, to use the AnyDVD with the Shrink instead of repeating the process.
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9. April 2005 @ 06:57 |
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not sure why AnyDVD is needed.
I ripped with dvddecrypter, shrank with shrink, and burned. no problem.
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9. April 2005 @ 08:17 |
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djlen Wrote "Here's an experience I haven't read anywhere else, that I wanted to throw into the mix.
I burned Spanglish, using Decrypter to rip; Shrink to resize; and Nero to burn. All apps. are the latest versions and completely up to date.
After burning, when placed into the DVD player the screen is black with no sound. If I click on 'menu' I get one but there's sign of the movie being played."
I had this happen on serveal attemps which I checked with Power DVD 6 Deluxe before(Saves on Coasters)burning them. I come to the conclusion that I was dealing with a bad batch of disks.... Check this thread to read about that
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/5/173741
I too was using the latest software available. I personally belive that the problem I ran into is at the Dual Layer Change On most of the bad ones I found so far......... Now that is not to say that others have not copied it, because it has been copied by many.
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9. April 2005 @ 11:32 |
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I read on another site that some were getting that black screen playback from an original purchased dvd of Spanglish. So if its possible to get it from an original I can see it happening with some ripped versions also. I never ran into the conflict with Decrypter and AnyDVD because I don't believe its necessary to run both at the same time. One or the other should be able to decrypt by themselves so I never ran them together. I stated in one of my other posts somewhere that I haven't found a dvd yet that CloneDVD 2 and AnyDVD working together could not copy and that is still correct for the dvds I have done. I'm not saying this to try to sell these 2 programs, its just my opinion and first choice for backups. What ever works for someone you need to stick to that system. The bad pressings are getting to be too regular so everyone needs to be aware that this can happen with a new dvd straight out of the box. If your backup process has worked in the past and you changed nothing then think about a possible defective original. If you think its a new encryption but read that many members are having success with the backup using the programs available, then its not new encryption. This is what I was trying to get across at the beginning of this thread.
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