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DVD+R Media with different brand but same munfacturer ID
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7seven
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6. May 2005 @ 07:55 |
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6. May 2005 @ 09:54 |
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Keep in mind that the reviews are based on user experiences and all those users have different burners, firmwares and methods for getting their results. Those reviews are meant to be a general guide, not the definitive answer :)
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6. May 2005 @ 17:40 |
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i completely agree w/ neph, i had a heated debate with another member a few days ago about a similar question. case in point, just because for example a brand has the TYGO2 code, does NOT make them authentic Taiyo Yudens~
from my debate with the other guy, he kept telling me that his Linkyo's were genuine Taiyo Yudens, kept saying "how are these fake?"
well, to sum it up...if it's MADE IN TAIWAN, i can guarantee you they are NOT genuine TY's...the linkyo's worked just fine for him, so great, that's a good thing, but, that still doesn't justify the fact that they are FAKE TYs...
use the MID code as a guide, not as something written in concrete, as some people will just never understand why something is real and something is fake using a simple dvdidentifier program :)
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
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7seven
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8. May 2005 @ 15:04 |
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After I posted I did have a think about the whole thing. Different burners, different players, etc.
There shouldn't be reviews for discs with the same code but different brands because it makes it look like there's a difference between them. It would be better to give the code, and what burner+firmware was used. Obviously the DVD compatibility should be tested on a few DVD players.
Yes I know there's a few fakes out there, especially the Taiyo Yudens ones cos they have (had:)) a good reputation, so obviously some wanted to gain an advantage from that. The genuine ones are made in Japan, right?
My Philips +/- burner works very MBI DVD+Rs, made in India. I prefer +Rs cos you can set the booktyoe to DVD-ROM (this is done automatically, either by my drive or Nero, not sure.).
I've read many reports of people having problems with ones made by CMC Magnetics. Ricoch-dye ones are really good apparently. The thing is, both seem to supply one brand, and I am believe both are made in Taiwan. That presents a problem when picking DVD+Rs without having used them previously - you would see 'made in Taiwan' but wouldn't know if it's CMC Magnetics or Ricoh. Plus the fact some brands use both means you may go back and buy what you think is Imation made my Ricoh but they've actually been made by CMC Magnetics.
I'll be sticking with 'made in India' ones for now as they work so well with my Philips burner. I think MBI are the only DVD+R (maybe -R aswell) that operate in India so I'm likely to get MBI, and hopefully ones just as reliable as my current ones. The MBI's I use even work on my brother's Toshiba DVD player, which doesn't like Maxell and TDK (althought I'm not sure who the 'real' manufacturers are behind those two). They were burnt using a Philips stand-alone DVD Recorder which book-types DVD+Rs to DVD-ROM.
Lastly, I burn at 4x usually. I've read many reports about discs working on more DVD players when burnt slower. I don't wanna burn too slow at 2.4x so I use 4x. It doesn't take longer than 15-20mins. Some media seem to burn better that way, afterall, the process of burning a disc is analogue.:) I've read about discs lasting longer as a result. A lot of this is most probably to do with the media used, which like I said above, burn better at slower speeds. With great media, the speed burned with probably doesn't matter as much but it's not easy to tell which brand is great and which is not as good.:)
Made in India, and maybe I'll try made in Japan ones aswell cos a lot of good media is manufactured there.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 8. May 2005 @ 15:07
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8. May 2005 @ 23:16 |
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@ 7seven
yes, genuine Taiyo Yudens are ONLY produced in Japan~ anything stating they are made elsewhere, (ie. taiwan, india, china, afghanistan :P) are FAKES. :)
there has always been a controversy as to to which media is made by which particular manufacturer. i know that my Fuji and Sony "made in japan" dvds are YUDEN coded, so i know these are genuine Tys as well.
i, much like you almost purchase only dvd+r, to booktype them to dvd-rom, compatibility is much higher when doing this. i read that dvd-r can be booktyped to dvd-rom as well ONLY on certain burners, while i thought this was impossible for the longest time, people have managed to do this, but i know MY particular setup will not allow me to do this and secondly, i do not know how/my burner is not capable of doing so~ :)
good luck w/ your dvd media now, if made in india does the job,if it works for you, great~
i used to burn at 4x only, but, recently, i burn everything i have at 8x because i can count on the great quality of my media. i've tried the same movie at 4x and at 8x on my TY's and Verbatims with IDENTICAL picture quality, regardless of speed. so, now, i burn at 8x w/ no problems~
ricoh manufactured dvds are made in japan as well, i believe the older maxells 4x SOME are made by ricoh.
i stay as far away from cmc mag as i possibly can, they are a huge manufacturer, one of the largest in the world, but, locally, i just NEVER buy memorex anymore since quite a few of the memorex is made by cmc mag.
good day to you.
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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deadcat
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8. May 2005 @ 23:44 |
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i think who ever told you -r could be book typed was telling porkies.
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8. May 2005 @ 23:59 |
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@ deadcat,
i was thinking the same thing as well, but, i trust the advice of these guys and they have yet to be incorrect in my book..here is where i read about this booktyping to dvd-rom w/ dvd-r media
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/189207
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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9. May 2005 @ 00:02 |
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both mort and wolfniggr have proven to me their finds and advice on here time and time again, i wasn't a believer at first, but, after reading the other threads...i believe it is NOT impossible now, whether it serves a purpose or not to booktype a dvd-r to dvd-rom is questionable, but, it HAS been done somehow. :)
i can't do it on my setup, but, others have.
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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deadcat
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10. May 2005 @ 02:31 |
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ill take your word for it, although even if it is possible, whats the point?? DVD-R are already compatible
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10. May 2005 @ 03:23 |
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yes, i agree with you there :) i really didn't see the point of it either, but, was just simply stating a fact that it IS possible :P
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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7seven
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12. May 2005 @ 10:33 |
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Deadcat, DVD-R are not really 'already compatible'. Compatibility can be increased by book-typing. DVD-R is has higher compatibilty rates than DVD+R when DVD+R is NOT Book-typed (Bitset) to DVD-ROM. When Book-type of DVD+R IS set to DVD-ROM (known technically as 0), DVD+R is has higher compatibility rates. If someone has manged to book-type (bitset) a DVD-R to DVD-ROM, then that would increase compatibility, and therefore the chances of it playing in more DVD players without problems. So you see the term 'already compatible' isn't really correct. Neither have 100% compatibility rates so although I don't really see how DVD-R can be bitset, I don't doubt that it could be done. Anything that increases compatibility is great.:)
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12. May 2005 @ 12:02 |
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It all comes down to compatability.I've got both my benq 1620s booktyped dvd plus media to dvd-rom. Of all those many/many/many standalone players/ps2s/and pcs that play my backups, these booktyped backups are compatable on all but 1 very old ps2. I believe if may be version 1 and it will not play my benq dash backups either.
I gave a copy of ladder 49 to my team leader at work.It was booktyped to dvd-rom. It started out here in west/central ohio,made it's way to columbus,dayton,cincinnati, and now is in illinois with his little sister. He's said at least 15+ standalones played it ok.
On my benq's,definitely plus media booktyped to dvd-rom.
However,on my previous I/O Magic 16x dual format/dual layer burner: It has the capability of booktyping also. But those dvd-rom backups purely sucked. The compatability on my personal drives totally sucked.Only my tv home recorder and my reliable sony dvdns-325 would play those backups.My litey rom and benq wouldn't recognize those backups. Now the dash format from that I/O faired a lot better. My benq's wouldn't recognize them,but my sony player/apex player/and litey had no trouble reading them.
BTW: I/O magic burners are made by many different manufacturers. The first one I bought,was built by benq. The second identical model I bought 4 months later-the pc of sh*t one- Was built by EMPA somewhere in bum-fuc*ed Middle east!
So 7seven,like you posted earlier, The different variations among players also includes different variations between burners. You have the weaker ones and then you got the stronger ones.Only the strong shall survive, LOL.
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