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travalon
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7. May 2005 @ 10:55 |
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nearly exploded. I am trying to figure out mostly definitions and which format (IE iso, file, etc...) is better to burn in. I am also trying dl soon as I am anal about keeping the highest quality possible. Yes I did go to the glossary. Mighty informative for those of you beyond noobie status. And, created more questions like "can i burn xsvcd files to a dvd and get all my movies onto a dvd-18?" So, to try and keep it simple,
1. What is the best format to burn to dvd? file? iso?
a. What about to a dl disc?
2. what is book type? (wasn't in the glossary)
3. I see more "Problems burning with Nero" than anything else. does it matter what burning prog. I use as long as it supports vob. files?
and I'll leave it at that for now. I appreciate all input.
this plce really gets the mind going. I wish I was unemployed so I could move into this sight. (TOO)
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7. May 2005 @ 19:36 |
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Here goes,
1. It doesn't really matter.
2. Book typing is a way to make +R media more compatible. Some folks make a religion of it but I've never had a need for it.
3. When dealing with ISO's and/or VOBs just about any decent burning software such as Nero will do. It may seem there are a lot of problems with Nero but much of that has to do with the fact that it's used way more than any other app so the high number of problems will loosely correlate with the high number of users.
That being said, I'm a big believer in small, simple apps that do one thing and do it very well. VSO's CopyToDVD is an outstanding example of this. It's main focus is burning and it's the leanest meanest burning app I've ever used. Nero and RecordNow didn't get installed after my last reformat because I quit using them after finding CopyToDVD.
A new and promising burning app is Prassi's ONES which I've been testing the last couple weeks. It's a very stable no frills burning app that's a bargain at just over $20. I'll be buying it when my trial is up :)
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7. May 2005 @ 20:59 |
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I agree with Neph,
The deal with book typing is this... The DVD Specification which is written down in a proprietary book says that DVD-ROM must play in stand-alone recorders. If a +R disc is not compatable with the player then you can change the "booktype". This process is called bitsetting.
On each blank +R DVD there is an area that allows bits to be written to tell your DVD Player how to play this disc. If the bits are set to DVD-ROM then the player must play the disc because all DVD players are built in accordance with the standards laid out in the book.
The DVD+R format is not part of the "official" specification so some players do not play them. By setting the bits (or bitsetting), you can tell the player to play the +R disc as a DVD-ROM. Nowdays most players can handle both formats with ease.
BTW, The official DVD specification books are available after signing a nondisclosure agreement and paying a $5,000 fee. Additional books are 500.00 each.
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7. May 2005 @ 21:04 |
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There is a few different ways to back up your movie.I'll just tell you how I use DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink.First of all a DVD-9 is a dual layer disc and DVD-5 is single layer.If you plan on just backing up a DVD-9 try just using DVD Decrypter.Place in the disc and choose mode and ISO read.This will copy the .iso file to the HDD. This is the file that is needed to open up in DVD Decrypter.Now choose mode ISO write.Click the small folder on the Application and find the file on the computer.Put in the blank and it will write the files to the disc.I haven't done a DL disc but that is how I would do it.Ok now, you want to burn 9 to 5 (single),fist of all open up DVD Shrink and place the original disc in the drive.Next click open disc and let the disc anaylize.Keep the option you want and then click back up.It will then ask you what program you want to use for the writing process, either Nero or DVD Decrypter.Choose write image using dvd decrpter.Writing program kicks in after the encoding process, depending on what you select.
reeecola
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baabaa
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7. May 2005 @ 22:51 |
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Hey Neph, how are the trials going with ONES?
Just had a look at that and it looks like a blinding proggy..........I have just downloaded it and will be doing some trials myself on it.......Looks very impressive.
You know my partriotism towards Recordnow for the simple burning stuff, it looks like ONES could be better.....
That impresses me, the fact that it is 'driverless', surely it must be utilising the on board IDE/SATA controllers on the motherboard to commuunicate with it's 'fuzzy logic'.
If that is the case - Goodbye ASPI issues for most people (I still don't have ASPI......LOL)
...............PIO is no go, DMA all the way...............
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baabaa
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8. May 2005 @ 02:29 |
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WOW...what a proggy.........
Simple.....or what...............Come here Mr wallet, it looks like you're about to wipe out Recordnow..............
Nope, not jumping the gun yet, BUT I have to admit, first impressions and all is well.
Just running it on my 'gash' PC at the mo and burning across the network, very solid indeed, and alot of info available to the user on the GUI.
Buffer is bouncing around all over the place......LMAO......good buffer underun protection on minimal cache settings.......
And a built in audio grabber........nice.......
...............PIO is no go, DMA all the way...............
Beware of the Pixies - they move in over night and turn your life upside down
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8. May 2005 @ 10:13 |
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I'm a RecordNow patriot as well. I bought it after having seen you recommend it so many times and I've never had a problem with it. I have to say ONES has really impressed me so far and has quickly earned a coveted spot on my desktop next to my beloved CopyToDVD.
Curiously, I never installed an ASPI layer after my last reformat and haven't experienced a single problem as a result so that makes two of us :)
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8. May 2005 @ 10:43 |
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Yes, we have faith in Mr Gates don't we, well some of the time, well almost ever, must be the Chosen few
I think I will make a full purchase anyway, the euro is sitting goood against the pound so 20 euros equates to around £14, and I think £14 for a complete 'no frills' proggy is good...............
...............PIO is no go, DMA all the way...............
Beware of the Pixies - they move in over night and turn your life upside down
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8. May 2005 @ 10:45 |
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Nephilum,
3 and counting... I found out a long time ago that ASPI wasn't necessary with XP. Programs like Nero carry their own ASPI.
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DVD Shrink does dual layer (DVD9) as well as DVD5. Supported burner apps are DVD Decrypter, Nero, and Copytodvd. So if free is the need, Shrink and Decrypter work well together and you have the backup options of Shrink in the process. I prefer retail apps such as DVDCopy3 and Rebuilder with CCE (Rebuilder is freeware, but CCE Basic is retail).
travalon
ISO and File Mode, Nephilum stated it well, "it doesn't matter". To fine tune that statement, I've had excellent success using both. Sometimes, for different programs, one file type might be better for the application. If you want to use the burner segment of DVD Decrypter, the file to be burned must be in ISO format. With Shrink, you can use files and then create an image (ISO) for Decrypter to burn. Some burner apps it is optional. With programs I use, like Rebuilder, I find "files" preferrable. Both are good, so learn them both. As long as you're not using antique equipment, you'll find few hardware compatibility issues. Booktyping (bitsetting), I agree isn't very necessary. In fact some burners don't have the capacity. Nowadays there are few compatibility problems with standalone players reading the +R format. BTW, if memory serves me right, you can't bitset -R.
As for quality, try something like the Rebuilder app if you're anal about it. Does an excellent job of recording DVD9 to DVD5. As far as recording DVD9, there are still some bugs reported in DVD9R backups of DVD video movies and playability on standalone systems. Then, unless you're rich, there is the high cost of DVD9R media...
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8. May 2005 @ 11:36 |
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baabaa & Neph, where can I get this "Ones" from rpassi? the U.S. site is still under construction and does not list any products whatsoever. 'preciate the info...
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baabaa
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8. May 2005 @ 11:43 |
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...............PIO is no go, DMA all the way...............
Beware of the Pixies - they move in over night and turn your life upside down
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8. May 2005 @ 20:26 |
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thanks alot there baabaa, link worked great and trial version definitley is of interest
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baabaa
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8. May 2005 @ 22:05 |
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Yep, everything is in there when it comes to simple, straight forward burning, and no little side menu's where you have to go through...................
I can see the familiarity between ONES GUI and Recordnow's, this speaks volumes to me.......
And the fact that it boasts 'driverless' operation, something that was touched on in Recordnow I think which has a very straight forward burning engine with little 'bug fixes' unlike Nero.......
...............PIO is no go, DMA all the way...............
Beware of the Pixies - they move in over night and turn your life upside down
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9. May 2005 @ 00:51 |
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i have just got the prassi one app', very neat and tidy,
very simple to use,
its even got extraction/ripping tools built in,
will be putting it through the mil very soon
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9. May 2005 @ 05:21 |
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Add me to the list of Prassi ONES fans. I didn't even bother with the trial. Prassi's name and the $20 price were good enough for me and I don't have RecordNow installed for the first time in a couple of years (stopped using Nero before v6).
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9. May 2005 @ 05:29 |
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been testing it on a few audio cd's,.results are steady,but not flawless,burn speed set to max,but only achieved x 16,
and thats on x 32 disks,and yes they do burn @ 32 on other app',.
burns bin/cues very well,with no buffer movement,and thats good for me,with the problems i have encountered over the last few months.
very nice
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dlc2000
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9. May 2005 @ 10:32 |
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can add me to the list ones fan . with all the trouble i've had with Nero since january i needed a app like this . thanks for info and the link to the software . you folks really know how to choose software around here .
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baabaa
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9. May 2005 @ 10:39 |
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LMFAO...................
Nephilim you have started something here.
Email them and tell them about this thread, you could get some nice commission out of this......................
Myself shall be making a purchase, it is soooooooo simple...........
The speed I think is going to be a common issue, as if I remember rightly, Recordnow suffered from this and an engine update containing burner compatibility solved it.
I wonder how they will overcome this
...............PIO is no go, DMA all the way...............
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9. May 2005 @ 11:10 |
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The speed I think is going to be a common issue, as if I remember rightly, Recordnow suffered from this and an engine update containing burner compatibility solved it.
I wonder how they will overcome this
That will be interesting since their current model avoids the driver based approach entirely. Actually the few problems people had reported when the software first came out were the only reasons I didn't buy it right away, but since it's Prassi I figure they'll sort it out eventually. Since I finally got around to buying DVD-Lab Pro today I also have CopyToDVD to play with.
The down side to the money I've spent on software lately is that my wife will expect me to get her miniDV tapes put on DVD. No more excuses for me.
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travalon
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9. May 2005 @ 11:37 |
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WOW! thank ya'll that makes things a little easier. I have encountered numerous apps. for backing up and now have another one to try. Though, I'm inclined to take your word for it.
Thanks again.
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9. May 2005 @ 12:11 |
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as an update with this app',i have just burnt approx 15 audio cd's,and the speeds were set to max,should be x 52 (disc capabilities),the firmware i have seems to limit the setting to x32,
however the results are not so consistent,
they ranged from the highest of x16,and dropping to x 6,and this for cd's is not good,
i will persevere with this,and see how it pans out,
there seems to be a few bugs,i couldnt browse for the audio files,it wouldnt open them,as it wasnt seeing them,
i had to open a separate window,and drag and drop each title in the app'
i also have burnt 4 dvd's,also set to max(x 8),but achieved only x 6
other than that,no complaints
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baabaa
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9. May 2005 @ 14:14 |
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No sign of any coasters, or even any 'hanging' issues and BSOD's then.
I am not encountering anything bad.
Speed fluctuations, buffer fluctuations etc but good solid burns.
Without using drivers etc, could this proggy be based on pure CPU/RAM power therefore, the issues with speeds?
...............PIO is no go, DMA all the way...............
Beware of the Pixies - they move in over night and turn your life upside down
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