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Burning process over 5 hours?
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memfrican
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9. May 2005 @ 08:20 |
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I made my first DVD last night to perfection, using the guides by mayo and scubapete. The DVD works great in my stand-alone player, however the burning process took over 5 and half hours, which is very unacceptable to me. I think my computer is fast enough. Over 1.6 ghz pentium 4 process and 512 ram. I don't do anything while the burning is taking place. The analyzing took about an hour and half and the encoding took 5 and a half hours while the burn only took 6 minutes. So, I would really like to get my burn time down. What am I doing wrong?
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LeRobert
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9. May 2005 @ 08:41 |
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First: check that you are in DMA mode and not in PIO
Do you see the graphic? OK, but instead of clicking on uninstall, click on properties: if you see that under properties your drive is on PIO mode, click on OK, do as it says in the graphic, uninstall the secondary ide channel (usually the DVD drive is connected there), and reboot your computer. Probably Windows will change your drive to DMA mode (check it).
Second: try again burning with DVD Shrink, this time without "analizing" first, in most cases you won't notice any difference and you will be saving about an hour.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 9. May 2005 @ 08:42
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memfrican
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9. May 2005 @ 08:58 |
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LeRobert, thanks for the quick response. I'm at work right now, but I called my brother and basically walked him through on how to check it, and he said he clicked on the properties tab on the secondary IDE channel, and he said their are 2 options, however the first one is greyed out and can't be accessible, but the other option is set to PIO only, and (DMA if available <--- could be a drop down menu?). So, I will do as you listed on this page, by uninstalling the drivers, and rebooting.
On scubapete's guide, it says (and i quote)
" "tick" Perform deep analysis" before backup to improve quality AND "tick" "Compress video with high quality adaptive error compensation. " ...
Should I untick both of these as I have them ticked now, or should I just untick perform deep analysis like you mentioned in your post? Let me know.
Also, I have an external DVD Burner, so that would still show up in the Secondary IDE Channel? Or is that just for me putting my DVD in my dvd player that came with the pc? I'm confused about that. Will the DVD analyze/encode faster if it's read through my external DVD Burner?
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LeRobert
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9. May 2005 @ 10:05 |
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LeRobert
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9. May 2005 @ 10:10 |
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"Also, I have an external DVD Burner, so that would still show up in the Secondary IDE Channel? Or is that just for me putting my DVD in my dvd player that came with the pc? I'm confused about that. Will the DVD analyze/encode faster if it's read through my external DVD Burner?"
The external DVD Burner is probably using an USB or firewire connection not an IDE Channel. The internal DVD driver is much faster and is the one you should be using.
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memfrican
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9. May 2005 @ 10:15 |
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Ok thanks, but should I still leave the "Compress video with high quality adaptive error compensation ticked or unticked?
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LeRobert
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9. May 2005 @ 10:36 |
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some place in the guide you was reading says:
"Which settings should I use?
If you are concerned about speed, then you need not enable any of these options. Your backup will be completed as quickly as possible, and you may be perfectly satisfied with the output quality.
If you are concerned about the quality of your backup and you don't mind taking a longer time over it, then the best results may be obtained by enabling both deep analysis and AEC options.
Depending on the source DVD, the quality of your viewing equipment, and the amount of compression required, you may prefer either the smooth or sharp options. Please take the time to try one or the other and determine which is best for your backup."
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Tmaxxfan
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9. May 2005 @ 10:45 |
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memfrican, if i were you i would "untick" all the picture enhancements, and make a runthrough, this should cut ur encode time considerably. and IMO the picture quality doesn't suffer that much on a 32" Sanyo tv. of course that is a matter of opinion. should use a DVD-RW. that way u won't waist a DVD-R.just in case u don't like the picture quality. Hope this helps.
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memfrican
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9. May 2005 @ 10:47 |
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Thanks for all your input Robert. I will try all your suggestions first thing when I get home and let you know how it turned out. Thanks again for your help.
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memfrican
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9. May 2005 @ 15:42 |
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OK, i'm home now and did all the changes, except now my Shrink crashes when I first put in the DVD, and it's analyzing it. It stops at 37% and it just hangs? Is the DVD i got bad or what? Is there a workaround?
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crowy
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9. May 2005 @ 15:55 |
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@memfrican,
Try downloading AnyDVD from slysoft.
Sounds like you have a copy protected disk(possibly puppetlock protected) which will cause DVD Shrink to lock up.After you get AnyDVD install it and it runs in the background(you should see the red foxes face in your taskbar).Now just open shrink then click open disc this should complete within a minute or two.Then click backup.Thats it!!
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memfrican
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9. May 2005 @ 21:05 |
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Thanks for your suggestion crowy, however I just used dvd decryptor to write the ISO to my hard-drive (8 something gigs) --> only took about an hour and half, still alot of time, but way better than the 5+ hours I was doing. Now I went through DVD Shrink and am going to open the ISO image and encode it through their software to get it onto 1 DVD-R. I've recorded my first 3 dvd's with taiyo yuden 8x dvd's and they playback great, and i unticked the Perform deep analysis AND Compress video with high quality adaptive error compensation, and the dvd plays back great. So, I'm guessing 1 and a half hour is all the time I can reduce on my pc right?
** I changed my Secondary IDE Channel to DMA (if available) and unticked those 2 options under shrink and it cut my time by about 4 hours.
My brief pc specs are:
Windows XP Service Pack 2
1.89 GHZ
512 RAM
Any suggestions?
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crowy
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9. May 2005 @ 21:40 |
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@memfrican,
My pc has 384mb ram(256+128)amd 1700+processor running at 2000+ specs (1.64ghz).Not sure why you are making an iso then shrinking it.You should be able to leave DVD Shrink settings at their default click open disc wait around 2-3 minutes with a dvd that size, then click full disc.This shouldn't take any more than 1 hour max.Then just burn with DVD Decrypter (you can set this up so shrink will close and decrypter will automatically open.)The burn time for 8gb would probably be around an hour.Try closing anything you have running in the background that isn't neccessary as this can make a big difference.Try AnyDVD as well as this removes the encryption b4 DVD Shrink reads it this can also save time.
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memfrican
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10. May 2005 @ 05:46 |
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crowy, i had to rip that particular movie with decryptor because shrink was stopping it at 37% (movie: Spanglish). So, the movie wouldn't continue after that point, however it ripped from the proggie Decryptor and put the ISO image on my hard drive (8gb), which doesn't fit on a 4.7 GB disc. So, I had to shrink the ISO image by dropping it into the Shrink proggie and encoding it again so it would fit on one DVD-R disc. Is that right, or am I totally off base? Thanks.
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Car.Mike
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10. May 2005 @ 06:12 |
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memfrican,
When I use DVDDecrypter to burn the .iso image the steps I use are below. If you want to add the enhancements feel free to do so. The rip to HD takes me about 13-15 minutes ( depends on movie). Then the encoding takes me anywhere from 20- 60 minutes again depending on enhancements used and the burn takes about 15 minutes. If the movie is long ( LOTR) then I use the enhancements but if I am only going to compress the DVD 5% then I use only Deep Analysis. You need to play w/ it to see what you like so do as the others have stated and use an RW disk first
Try it this way
Set Up Guide for DVD Decrypter
1. Insert Movie
2. When Windows asks if you want to play movie hit cancel
3. Open DVDDecrypter
4. At top is MODE- make sure FILE has a check mark by it
5. At the bottom is a DVD > HD- Click this and the program will decrypt the movie
Shrink
1. Make a folder on your Desktop> call it Rip Movies
2. Open DVD Shrink> click Open Files> Shrink does quick analysis
3. Movie Only Option
a. Go to Re-author and Click
b. Under Main movie slide the main movie to the left under DVD Structure
c. You can now remove the languages you do not want and the audio you do not want.
4. Go to Edit and click Preferences. Now you will see a Blue Box that says -" DVD-5(4.7 g.b.). Now Change that to Custom and to the right of that change the # to 4300. This will not now let you burn to the outer rim.
5. Look under File I/O and make sure" Enable Burning with Nero" does not have a check mark in the box.
6. Click Select Backup Target > click" Iso Image file and burn with DVDDecrypter"
7. Select Target Image File> Browse>Desktop> Rip Movie ( file you made)
8. click O.K
9. It will now do analysis and then encode the movie and automatically burn with DVDDecrypter
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paztelu
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10. May 2005 @ 06:35 |
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@memfrican
My main PC is very old (Intel celeron 1.1, 384Ram,60Gig drive)the enconding times are 1-2 hours when I choose deep analysis, but when I choose adaptive error correction the times doubles up, I think you should also make sure your disk is defragmented (which helps a bit). Also I recommend that If you have dirty disk, dont shrink the file directly from DVD Shrink because when it finds an Error in the disc is stops the process, instead rip them with DVD Decrypter and them shrink them with DVD Shrink although it takes much more space, but I had have to do it because I been trying to shrink some dvds but the process stops when it finds a Read error.
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memfrican
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10. May 2005 @ 09:44 |
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Mike, that is a similar way I am beginning to burn DVD's now. I like the concept of ripping the DVD to my HD first (Decryptor) which could take almost up to 8 gigs doing, and then using Shrink to author and backup the dvd, creating a new ISO image (around 4,300 GB), finally burning the dvd again with Decryptor. It seems to go faster doing this process, and then just deleting both iso images when I'm done.
And yea Mike, I have a set # close to 4300 so that it doesn't burn to the edge of the disc. Do you 'tick' the adaptive error compensation (AEC) when you know what type of DVD you are trying to rip, say for example, high quality cgi, special effects movies? I usually leave the movies with little or no special effects, etc without the deep analysis and AEC options unticked and it comes out perfectly IMO. Let me know what you think about this method.
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Car.Mike
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11. May 2005 @ 03:14 |
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memfrican ,
If the movie is long( LOTR) I will click the quality enhancements but if you are happy w/ the end product do not worry as you are the one that needs to be pleased
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memfrican
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11. May 2005 @ 05:38 |
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Yea, I started ripping Alone in the Dark and saw the encoding was taking up 2 hours again. The movie is short and there arn't that many extras, so I was wondering why it took 2 hours, and then I checked the Secondary IDE Channel in the Device Manager and saw that Device 0 was set to DMA (if available) transfer mode = ultra mode 2 and that Device 1 was set to PIO only. Do I have to change these settings everytime? And what does ultra mode # <--- number mean, because i see on some machines that it's set to ultra mode 5? Please explain. Thanks.
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Car.Mike
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11. May 2005 @ 05:51 |
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memfrican,
I think the different DMA's are set by the manuf and by the different drivers used. Burners are usually DMA2 and HD's are usually DMA5.
Windows atarts off usually at DMA 2 for the burner and for every 5-6 conflicts lowers the DMA 1 time. So it goes DMA2>DMA1>PIO>4 and then all the way down to PIO1. You might need to get a registry cleaner( you can google for one ) and clean your registry as most of the conflicts might be there. If you can stop the conflicts then you will stay in DMA Mode. The only thing to do after this is a slow process to find out what is wrong. You might have to disconnect everything except the HD, Burner and video card and RAM to see if the conflicts are there. Check to make sure all of the cables are seated properly and the Ram is seated real well.
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memfrican
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11. May 2005 @ 06:19 |
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Thanks for the input Mike.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 11. May 2005 @ 06:20
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memfrican
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12. May 2005 @ 21:57 |
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Holy Shit Mike, you hit the nail on the coffin. I took your advice and went to download.com and downloaded a great registry cleaner (TweakNow RegCleaner) and it found almost 300 bad items (jeeeeezzz) ... so i deleted them all, uninstalled my Secondary IDE Channel and rebooted. When i logged back in, both Device 0 and 1 were at DMA (if available) and the transfer mode was at Ultra Mode 2. So, I decided to encode a movie and it went from 2 hours to 30 minutes!!! I'm so friggn happy now. You're a genius Mike. Thanks for stickn with this thread and helpn me out. You're the shizznit ... now i'm gonna burn like a mofo, haha. Thanks again man!!!!
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hellboi
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12. May 2005 @ 23:37 |
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Car.Mike I was wondering how long thus it takes when your using decrypter and shrink to copy your own dvd? when I only used shrink it took me over 1hr and half.
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Car.Mike
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13. May 2005 @ 02:50 |
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hellboi,
Burning and transcoding times differ by system specs. But for me to do the movie is roughly this:
DVDDecrypter to rip the DVD- 10-15 minutes depending on if the movie is long
DVD Shrink - 15 minutes to 35 minutes and that depends on if I use the Quality Enhancements.
Burn the DVD- 15 minutes
I always do Movie only because if I want to see the Director's Cut then I can bring out the original
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raiders79
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21. May 2005 @ 03:56 |
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im having trouble burning alone in the dark i use DVD Shrink and it stops at about 50 some percent everytime if anybody can help me with this i would appreciate it. thanks
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