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Official PS3 vs. Xbox 360 vs. N. Revolution
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22. May 2005 @ 05:33 |
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hey guys i found out something funny, do a search on anything then it will have a second search option which is for user names. in the search user name type in zinn and tell me what you see.LOL this zinn kid makes me laugh with all his lies.
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22. May 2005 @ 06:01 |
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I think you all should pay more attention to wat Deezp1 is saying, coz he seems to be the only one making any sense.
Thanks man! at least one person is listening! LOL
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why 7, not 8 but 7 controllers. that's such an odd number
Yeah, that is very wierd. Then I started thinking about it, bluetooth is such a dumb technology. it isnt very relible, but whatever, Im sure $ony threw in Bluetooth for the simple fact that it sounds good to newbies and common folk. Im sure if they wanted to they could had made it possible for 8 wireless controllers.
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the point that xbox will have 40 games at release
Not true. M$ said they will have 16 games on the launch date (just like the original xbox), but will have 40 within the first couple months. The also said they will have well over 100 titles within a year, including Halo 3 (which Im sure everyone knows will be released at the same time the PS3 comes out).
I love this fight M$ and $ony are having, they have to push each other for tech supremcy and we just benifit with great consoles, so no matter what we all win!
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Yea, that's the reason want the 360, u get xbox live free on weekends
not true, XBL-Silver free all the time, XBL-Gold (the pay verison) free on the weekends.
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I mean u can download ds, psp, and gameboy games onto the xbox 360.
WHAT! where in the hell did you read that! completely false. how would you even play a DS game anyway, there is no touch screen.
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sony is know for unkept promises and being late for delivery
Very, Very True! I mean the thing that sold me was that it was, "expandable for the future!!!!" WOW, you can install a hdd that is good for only, what, 1 stinking game! Big Woop! Leave it to modders to make the expandable hdd have any use! That is why I like the modding scene!
BTW, I know everyone was bitching about how ugly the new PS3 controller is, but the fact is that $ony lost a lawsuit over the dual shock controller and are not allowed to produce it anymore (they can still sell the already produced ones how ever). They had to come up with a new original design, so that is why we have that boomerang design.
Hey I just though about something, maybe that design was made so if you get mad and throw the controller while playing it will fly right back to you because it IS a boomerang! WOW, now that is what I call inovated!
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Zinn
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22. May 2005 @ 06:17 |
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What did say that was so funny, and I make since as well, deezp1 isn't the only person who knows what he's talking about so get off his jock. anyway, the xbox is said to be raised to $400, and the ps is going to be raised to $450.
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Zinn
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22. May 2005 @ 06:19 |
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Ok, i lied about the ds to make sound better but you can download psp, and gameboy games. look at the press conference at ign.com
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WVengence
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22. May 2005 @ 06:34 |
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Zinn: The reason for 7 controllers is that that is the maximum number of Blue Tooth systems that can connect at once. Personally, I don't think more than 4 controllers is useful, but I'm sure Sony wanted a number greater that MS, so 7 it is.
Solargame: Hate to burst your bubble, but the Xbox was the same price at the PS2 when it launched. Sony didn't lower the price of the PS2 until they were forced to by MS lowering the price of the Xbox (almost 2 years after the PS2 launched). I guess they wanted to rape you for every $ they could...
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22. May 2005 @ 06:40 |
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i agree, deezp1 does know what hes talking about.
aww, but you zinn, i dont think you do. just yesturday you said the 360 will be 300, now the next day you say 400. and that joka about searching your name is true. nearly all of your post have the word xbox in the thread.
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22. May 2005 @ 06:43 |
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and about the 7 controllers thing, maybe because its 1 controller for each proceesor so it doesnt get overloaded. and how do you play with 7 people on screen any way. imagine how the split screen will look like. i think only sports games like football games will support 7 players cuase those games dont need split screens.
IM A PS3 FAN, DONT THINK IM WITH 360
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22. May 2005 @ 06:52 |
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On the ps3 press conference when ken kutaragi introduced jim kell, if you look at jim kells eyes he was reading words.... It looks like everyone on that press conference is, but you can really tell with jim kell.
Got to http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/615/615091/vids_1.html to see the press conference
ps: GTA isn't a launch for ps3
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Zinn
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22. May 2005 @ 07:05 |
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WVengence, i was talking about the xbox 360 and the ps3
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22. May 2005 @ 11:11 |
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expecially since the 360 is better
First of all im getting both but ps3 rules...Naw just let me get to the point i mean every body act like they know what there are talking about maybe some people do but tell me Who in here owns a 360 or PS3? im guessing ummm no one. So really we can't judge them untill they both come out so Zinn write all you want sayin xbox the best system really you don't know nobody does so just wait.Im not tryin to get on anybody ass im just sayin Who Knows huh ?
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Toiletman
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22. May 2005 @ 11:29 |
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Look here: http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1686
That I'm pretty sure is in game footage.
Doesn't look too different from: http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1668
Anyway, this is disappointing. I mean how can Sony tell a bunch of lies and then plaster their CGI movies all across the screen, and act like 'tis nothing? It's like saying "PS3 is going to be $99.00", and then when it's released, they will make an excuse saying "Oh sorry, we forgot the extra 9."
Everyone is entitled to their own true opinion. Either respect that or don't.
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22. May 2005 @ 11:34 |
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how much are these games gonna co$t??
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22. May 2005 @ 11:34 |
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The 7 controllers is a Bluetooth Piconet limitation. It only has a 3 bit address space, 4+2+1, so you can only have 7 devices and 1 master.
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22. May 2005 @ 12:49 |
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@ larj
i heard from sony saying that most games will be 60 at realease and after a month or two will drop to forty or fifty. i wonder if the GREATEST HITS GAMES will still be 20 bucks?
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22. May 2005 @ 12:49 |
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Well there is a lot of talk about the difference in specs between the 360 and the ps3. Both systems have had a great jump over the previous generation consoles based on sheer power. at this point both system can run games based on the Doom 3 engine at real time (Gears of war ps3 demo). That making them equal as far making games based on that game engine. That engine should be surpassed soon due to the superior capabilities of the new consoles over the engine of Doom 3 which was created for pc cards specs. Pc had the edge over console for a while now and rightly so but like always consoles new generation always surpass them when released due to the lifespan they have to endure. Pc will catch up and surpass them some time after the systems have been released but that just the never ending evolution of technology. Now Technically speaking, games shown on the demo of Sony like Killzone are very shocking due to the clarity of textures, polygon count, amount of characters camera work particle effects to mention some. ?Gears or War? environments look good and into certain degree almost the same as Killzone, however the environments although well design doesn?t exude the exciting art direction put on Killzone. Most of the environments are very dark while Killzone are lighter the afternoon that giving them the ability of using more interesting color scheme, depth of field to the overall environment allowing them to put more detail on the scenery also adding constant camera work with the energetic side characters adding an overall dynamic feel that Gears of War lacked. However put the level of graphics already developed of Gears of wars and make the same sequence on that graphic engine and the overall look and feel of the game will be close and comparable to killzone. Rather than claustrophobic feel that Doom and Gears of war has shown.
Technically speaking the ps3 has a minor superiority over the 360. Its seems that a lot of people don?t seem to understand that the 360 its not just 3 cores on the processor but that each core has 2 cores that giving them roughly 6 cores performance, yet to be seen. However it also depends on how those cores work together that goes for both processors. The cell has 8 spe?s which people tend to consider them like cores. The 360 has 1meg of L2 cache and the cell 512k adding 256k to each spe?s that giving them roughly 2.5 megs of overall cache to the processor (to my knowledge). At the end the difference in power based on specs alone its not that drastic. And the rest well its has been stated. Ps3 has more shaders (100 billion vs. 48) , dot point (51 million both cpu and gpu vs. 33.6 both cpu and gpu), teraflops applications (2 vs. 1) the Ps3 polygon count has not yet been revealed to my knowledge but xbox pushing 500 million and ps3 ?. Which it will rise an interesting question due to the amount of characters and vehicles shown in the demo of Killzone technically the ps3 should boast more that 500 million polygons if want to be able to keep that level of graphical prowess adding lighting , text mapping at 1080p and at 60fps its indeed an huge undertaking. Ps3 also has not disclosed the amount of vertex graphical pipelines either since that is new technology ATI has developed with 48 shared pipelines in total. There are some assumptions that Sony can?t beat those stats and that is why they where omitted on the press released, but time will tell.
To my conclusion everything leads me to believe that both machines are monsters and will satisfy the consumer that buys it. All been shown will be first generation software and as new maverick studios start developing there new graphic engines based on that technology we all going to see far prettier looking graphics yet seen at this point. And still since so far the Doom 3 engines is the most advanced engine released until Killzone if they manage to convert the movie cgi graphics into a real game engine. Both system will be boasting very similar graphical achievements.
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Grunt14
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22. May 2005 @ 13:46 |
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Bout the bluetooth issue,
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but whatever, Im sure $ony threw in Bluetooth for the simple fact that it sounds good to newbies and common folk
Lets think a bit more logically bout this, why in hell would ps3 spend so much money on technology that won't work properly jus to fool a couple of newbie's into buying it. Don't you think that makes no sense? Don't you think they might have tested it?
As for Zinn, If you knew what you were talking bout you would stick to your original story and not change it all the time or paste hear-say and quote as your own, only to change it when you find out otherwise.
Thats what i think anyway( anyone no how to copy dvd's?)
I JUST WANT TO COPY DVD'S!, is that to much to ask for?
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22. May 2005 @ 13:50 |
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Thats what i think anyway( anyone no how to copy dvd's?)
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I JUST WANT TO COPY DVD'S!, is that to much to ask for?
There are plenty of good guides to get you started.
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22. May 2005 @ 13:50 |
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X360 ROX...PS3 and N revolution are LAME!!!
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WVengence
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22. May 2005 @ 13:53 |
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Just so I'm clear, here, velascoj2... Your saying that the Killzone video looked better than the Gears of War Demo???? Of course it did. It's a video... Final Fantasy: Spirits Within looked better too and hey, that's several years old.
The RSX chip probably has 8 vertex shaders. The G70 chip it is based on has 16 standard pipes and 8 Vertex.
As for the Doom3 engine... I thought everyone in the development community believes the Unreal 3 engine to be the best engine around.
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velascoj2
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22. May 2005 @ 15:21 |
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True that engine its the best at the moment, but based on current PC technology video cards. There are probably developers that are developing games optimized to show the new hardware capabilities of the new up and coming video cards that on the Xbox 360 and PS3 are based on. That?s why the new evolving engines will most likely surface on the new xbox and ps3 as well. However due to the late shipment of development kits and the amount of time that takes to create new libraries to optimizes a game engine, using the engines at the moment is a good move for new systems since those engines a far more evolved than current Xbox a ps2, gamecube. It true that pipelines are very important but will not decide the ultimately deciding the finish graphical achievement on a game. Every system has some kind of short coming that rival competitor has an advantage and vice versa. But depending on the artistry of the development teams on their particular software they can find ways to go around bottleneck problems from a standard way of programming.
I personally believe that killzone could be handled by both the 360 and the ps3. Gears of war realistically speaking its not that far behind than kill zone regardless of fan boys trying to defend their systems saying? that Killzone destroys Gears of war( graphically), well not so, they rather very close.( I was always more of a Sega fan but oh well). True that killzone was made as a cgi, and in real game mechanics most likely the camera will not behave as the demo shown. However that's not the issue. Sony is aware that when people see that demo, that?s what the consumer expects to see in a real game environment. That leading Sony to reveal the audience all the specifications of the system to re assured them that the console has the ability to handle what has been shown. They are also aware that savvy people are dissecting all the info given in order to use the knowledge to prove or disprove their information. The must be aware that if the system can not deliver such performance when released, will create huge scrutiny to them, and now even more since the xbox is starting gather momentum and increasing more market share in the US at least. Ultimately leading me to think that although it was indeed a cgi movie, the graphical shown on the demos could be handle by the ps3 and probably the xbox 360 as well. As far pricing goes, my guess is that Sony can not afford to loose money for the hardware due to financial situations( But I'm not as familiar with their financial difficulties). However Microsoft can handle the loss for each system due to the higher capital than Sony, as far I know
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22. May 2005 @ 16:49 |
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velascoj2:
"They are also aware that savvy people are dissecting all the info given in order to use the knowledge to prove or disprove their information... Ultimately leading me to think that although it was indeed a cgi movie, the graphical shown on the demos could be handle by the ps3"
You do realize that Sony did EXACTLY that for the PS2, don't you? Making claims like "the PS2 will be the hub of your media center" or "capable of Toy Story like graphics"... Don't know about you, but the only Toy Story graphics I saw on the PS2 was when I watched the movie...
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22. May 2005 @ 17:31 |
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That?s very funny actually. I'm not a playstation fan at all however I do like hardware and the evolution of technology. Most of my comments come from carefully viewing the difference in ratio from the current hardware capabilities and the next top end hardware theory ( since we have not tested the new platforms). Also all based on natural evolution on graphical benchmarks. Yes I?m aware of the stats of ps2 they fucked on their system video ram even when compared to Dreamcast which had more video ram that making the texture look cleaner ( but that was just one of the issues). But not to get side track, based on specs though there is a difference from the ps2 and ps3 when it comes to evolution from ps1 to ps2. Granted whether it can handle the level of the cgi remains to be seen, Both Xbox 360 and ps3 should be close with proper and smart programming achieve same or at least close to it ( but we can tell until we see in real game demos what the very best will be) Its to early to approve or disprove anything because We are not that familiar with the techno improvements made by ATI and nvidia. Nvidia slightly looses to the 850 game wise but ATI looses miserably on workstation cad operation of the Quadros. Both Card manufactures have a lot at stake because with such deals with Sony and Microsoft their revenue is an attractive thing. Not to mention dominance on graphical prowess awareness that can help sell the home pc card versions and their follow updates. On a Killzone note, I have to admit the sheer amount of polygons used puts in a question mark for the system or any system to handle. At this point all we can do is theorize based on current tech and making comparisons . Last thought Xbox graphical evolution has been outstanding vs. the original releases, first halo, not to offend anyone but it the textures looked rather low with horrid frame drops ( specially when at the time gamecube released Starwars rouge squadron boasting more constant frame rate and better texture for a marginally lower spec system). And now more titles with constant frame rate and better use of the real power of the system. We shall see the true power of this next gen system after the first or second cycle once they are released
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22. May 2005 @ 18:51 |
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I'm sayimg xbox wins because it does and my aunt works for microsoft.
she's been working for them for 15 years, she's 45.
That's why i'm playing the 360 in august.
She tells me some things except the things she's not allowed to say.
And sony does lie, maybe not as much as people say they do, but they lie a lot.
We'll just see when they both come out, i'm not saying that sony sucks, when they make a console, it's great. I'm just tryin' to say for all of you ps lovers, you should give the 360 a benefit of a doubt.
I've seen the press conferences of both of them, and sony really only discussed graphics. They didn't say anything about the gameplay.
all they said about their online play was that they use the ethernet and they will have video chat.
People like the ps consoles not because they're good, but because they've been around for so long... think about it, you know why the ps was taking over before? Because there weren't many game systems to match it. But hey, who am I right?
I just know more about the 360 than most people
it will be $400
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22. May 2005 @ 19:07 |
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Thats cool one of my cousins works for microsoft, I will have to ask him if he can hook me up... I don't think that he will.
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22. May 2005 @ 19:12 |
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Thats cool one of my cousins works for microsoft, I will have to ask him if he can hook me up... I don't think that he will.
Microsoft employees only get discounts on software and games. Not hardware. I've already asked :)
Kinda pisses you off. They charge us $299 for XP Professional and they (MS employees) get it for $35.
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