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Official PS3 vs. Xbox 360 vs. N. Revolution
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velascoj2
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24. May 2005 @ 18:31 |
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Sorry I made a mistake the xbox ram badwitdth is 22+ ghz/ per sec not megs. Ias I steated on previous post(wrote it to fast)
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2kwic
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24. May 2005 @ 18:49 |
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Flip Im not trying to be mean i just said give and prove your information i still haven't seen proof. it went from G4 now to the newspapper that's bull to me. im not that type of person to try to put you down im just sayin please don't just write stuff and give wack info. be real about it let me see
O yea if he needs a apology ill give it to him if its going to make him flame on me.
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velascoj2
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24. May 2005 @ 19:03 |
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2Kwic let's all keep it cool. Whats your take about the ps3 vs 360 overall performance in game?
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24. May 2005 @ 19:25 |
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O im cool now. i just came to the point that i really don't care about the systems all i care about are the games.Im not going to be playing the hardware just off it so im going with the PS3 if you look at any of my post from last week it's all been for PS3.In my OPINION i think the PS is going to have the best performance and gameplay overall. And when they both are out and im wrong then ill come back and apologies to every Xbox fan here.
But really i don't think so
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24. May 2005 @ 19:55 |
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You have asnwered right. Usually my biggest problems with new system releases are that almost all games seem rushed one way or the other. Every now and then one or two of the games are good but then they take forever to release any new ones that are worth buying until months fter the machines been released. The fact the developers got the development kits recently shakes me a little because of the questionable quality as the final deadline creeps in and apparent bugs are still there to be fix.
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24. May 2005 @ 21:50 |
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look @ the two pics up there read the details for them youl see that 380's better
J.Feez rolls wit da box till da end baby
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velascoj2
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24. May 2005 @ 21:54 |
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what 2 pics?!
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2kwic
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24. May 2005 @ 22:37 |
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380? What tha. man im not even a xbox fan and i know it's called the 360 unless you was just telling a joke and what pics are you talking about.
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25. May 2005 @ 00:04 |
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Just thought I would pop in and give my 2 cents. Given I have been following PS2 games since PSX I can only assume sequels to those games will be on PS3 not only that but the PS3 looks technologically more advanced. I have not decided whether I like the controller or not but ill have to hold it to find out. Obviously I am buying a PS3 first. I love Nintendo too though. I just wish they could get it together a little better. Ill probably end up buying one of those too though and hooking it up with my CAR-PC for on the go gamin, cause it will be hella portable. My other good factor is that microsoft is the devil. Thats kinda biased but can be universally used. They just buy muscle that's all they do. They are really fighting a two ton gorilla here too, messing with Sony. It seems as though the teeth are out and both are goin for the throat. I imagine PS3 will come out on top again, but the margine will be closer. Those are objective opinions too, despite the fact that MS is the devil. Sure MS got a large jump on Sony releasing first, but Sony is hoping to become the "cool" system again by out hardwaring them. The fact is it will come down to games and most likely Sony still has the ball in their court.
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25. May 2005 @ 03:24 |
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2kwic, it was also in the paper, i like to read a lot, maybe you should do the same, and please stop trying to bring me down with your negativity. But, The 360 will have the most games to come out with it. about 40 games will be on the 360 this year and 160 titles are in devlopment. and 2 million users will be on xbox live, like the ps3, they have video, and you can make stickers, and shirts.
and it comes with cable.
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25. May 2005 @ 03:27 |
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The ps3 won't have enough power, that's why it may come out summer 2006. But fine, don't listen to me. It's alright. jus tried to let you all know something. but we'll see. kinda like the psp, tried to tell people about that, now look who was right.\
sony is running out of money, they only have 15 million left. do you know how much each cell processor cost? i don't think sony will be able to aford it. especially when they didn't make enough money of the psp. you know why don't you? because they sold for so much. and now they will do it again with ps3, under sell and go bankrupt...
bye sony, it was nice knowing you
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Now that the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 specifications have been announced, it is possible to do a real world performance comparison of the two systems.
There are three critical performance aspects of a console:
· Central Processing Unit (CPU) performance.
o The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has three times the general purpose processing power of the Cell.
· Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) performance
o The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU.
· Memory System Bandwidth
o The memory system bandwidth in Xbox 360 exceeds the PS3?s by five times.
The Xbox 360?s CPU has more general purpose processing power because it has three general purpose cores, and Cell has just one. Cell?s claimed advantage is on streaming floating point work which is done on its seven DSP processors.
The Xbox 360 GPU has more processing power than the PS3?s. In addition, its innovated features contribute to overall rendering performance. Xbox 360 has 278.4 GB/s of memory system bandwidth. The PS3 has less than one-fifth of Xbox 360?s (48 GB/s) of total memory system bandwidth.
DETAILED ANALYSIS OF PERFORMANCE SPECIFICATIONS
CPU
The Xbox 360 processor was designed to give game developers the power that they actually need, in an easy to use form. The Cell processor has impressive streaming floating-point power that is of limited use for games.
The majority of game code is a mixture of integer, floating-point, and vector math, with lots of branches and random memory accesses. This code is best handled by a general purpose CPU with a cache, branch predictor, and vector unit.
The Cell?s seven DSPs (what Sony calls SPEs) have no cache, no direct access to memory, no branch predictor, and a different instruction set from the PS3?s main CPU. They are not designed for or efficient at general purpose computing. DSPs are not appropriate for game programming.
Xbox 360 has three general purpose CPU cores. The Cell processor has only one.
Xbox 360?s CPUs has vector processing power on each CPU core. Each Xbox 360 core has 128 vector registers per hardware thread, with a dot product instruction, and a shared 1-MB L2 cache. The Cell processor?s vector processing power is mostly on the seven DSPs.
Dot products are critical to games because they are used in 3D math to calculate vector lengths, projections, transformations, and more. The Xbox 360 CPU has a dot product instruction, where other CPUs such as Cell must emulate dot product using multiple instructions.
Cell?s streaming floating-point work is done on its seven DSP processors. Since geometry processing is moved to the GPU, the need for streaming floating-point work and other DSP style programming in games has dropped dramatically.
Just like with the PS2?s Emotion Engine, with its missing L2 cache, the Cell is designed for a type of game programming that accounts for a minor percentage of processing time.
Sony?s CPU is ideal for an environment where 12.5% of the work is general-purpose computing and 87.5% of the work is DSP calculations. That sort of mix makes sense for video playback or networked waveform analysis, but not for games. In fact, when analyzing real games one finds almost the opposite distribution of general purpose computing and DSP calculation requirements. A relatively small percentage of instructions are actually floating point. Of those instructions which are floating-point, very few involve processing continuous streams of numbers. Instead they are used in tasks like AI and path-finding, which require random access to memory and frequent branches, which the DSPs are ill-suited to.
Based on measurements of running next generation games, only ~10-30% of the instructions executed are floating point. The remainders of the instructions are load, store, integer, branch, etc. Even fewer of the instructions executed are streaming floating point?probably ~5-10%. Cell is optimized for streaming floating-point, with 87.5% of its cores good for streaming floating-point and nothing else.
Game programmers do not want to spread their code over eight processors, especially when seven of the processors are poorly suited for general purpose programming. Evenly distributing game code across eight processors is extremely difficult.
GPU
Even ignoring the bandwidth limitations the PS3?s GPU is not as powerful as the Xbox 360?s GPU.
Below are the specs from Sony?s press release regarding the PS3?s GPU.
RSX GPU
· 550 MHz
· Independent vertex/pixel shaders
· 51 billion dot products per second (total system performance)
· 300M transistors
· 136 ?shader operations? per clock
The interesting ALU performance numbers are 51 billion dot products per second (total system performance), 300M transistors, and more than twice as powerful as the 6800 Ultra.
The 51 billions dot products per cycle were listed on a summary slide of total graphics system performance and are assumed to include the Cell processor. Sony?s calculations seem to assume that the Cell can do a dot product per cycle per DSP, despite not having a dot product instruction.
However, using Sony?s claim, 7 dot products per cycle * 3.2 GHz = 22.4 billion dot products per second for the CPU. That leaves 51 ? 22.4 = 28.6 billion dot products per second that are left over for the GPU. That leaves 28.6 billion dot products per second / 550 MHz = 52 GPU ALU ops per clock.
It is important to note that if the RSX ALUs are similar to the GeForce 6800 ALUs then they work on vector4s, while the Xbox 360 GPU ALUs work on vector5s. The total programmable GPU floating point performance for the PS3 would be 52 ALU ops * 4 floats per op *2 (madd) * 550 MHz = 228.8 GFLOPS which is less than the Xbox 360?s 48 ALU ops * 5 floats per op * 2 (madd) * 500 MHz= 240 GFLOPS.
With the number of transistors being slightly larger on the Xbox 360 GPU (330M) it?s not surprising that the total programmable GFLOPs number is very close.
The PS3 does have the additional 7 DSPs on the Cell to add more floating point ops for graphics rendering, but the Xbox 360?s three general purpose cores with custom D3D and dot product instructions are more customized for true graphics related calculations.
The 6800 Ultra has 16 pixel pipes, 6 vertex pipes, and runs at 400 MHz. Given the RSX?s 2x better than a 6800 Ultra number and the higher frequency of the RSX, one can roughly estimate that it will have 24 pixel shading pipes and 4 vertex shading pipes (fewer vertex shading pipes since the Cell DSPs will do some vertex shading). If the PS3 GPU keeps the 6800 pixel shader pipe co-issue architecture which is hinted at in Sony?s press release, this again gives it 24 pixel pipes* 2 issued per pipe + 4 vertex pipes = 52 dot products per clock in the GPU.
If the RSX follows the 6800 Ultra route, it will have 24 texture samplers, but when in use they take up an ALU slot, making the PS3 GPU in practice even less impressive. Even if it does manage to decouple texture fetching from ALU co-issue, it won?t have enough bandwidth to fetch the textures anyways.
For shader operations per clock, Sony is most likely counting each pixel pipe as four ALU operations (co-issued vector+scalar) and a texture operation per pixel pipe and 4 scalar operations for each vector pipe, for a total of 24 * (4 + 1) + (4*4) = 136 operations per cycle or 136 * 550 = 74.8 GOps per second.
Given the Xbox 360 GPU?s multithreading and balanced design, you really can?t compare the two systems in terms of shading operations per clock. However, the Xbox 360?s GPU can do 48 ALU operations (each can do a vector4 and scalar op per clock), 16 texture fetches, 32 control flow operations, and 16 programmable vertex fetch operations with tessellation per clock for a total of 48*2 + 16 + 32 + 16 = 160 operations per cycle or 160 * 500 = 80 GOps per second.
Overall, the automatic shader load balancing, memory export features, programmable vertex fetching, programmable triangle tesselator, full rate texture fetching in the vertex shader, and other ?well beyond shader model 3.0? features of the Xbox 360 GPU should also contribute to overall rendering performance.
Bandwidth
The PS3 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and 25.6 GB/s of RDRAM bandwidth for a total system bandwidth of 48 GB/s.
The Xbox 360 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and a 256 GB/s of EDRAM bandwidth for a total of 278.4 GB/s total system bandwidth.
Why does the Xbox 360 have such an extreme amount of bandwidth? Even the simplest calculations show that a large amount of bandwidth is consumed by the frame buffer. For example, with simple color rendering and Z testing at 550 MHz the frame buffer alone requires 52.8 GB/s at 8 pixels per clock. The PS3?s memory bandwidth is insufficient to maintain its GPU?s peak rendering speed, even without texture and vertex fetches.
The PS3 uses Z and color compression to try to compensate for the lack of memory bandwidth. The problem with Z and color compression is that the compression breaks down quickly when rendering complex next-generation 3D scenes.
HDR, alpha-blending, and anti-aliasing require even more memory bandwidth. This is why Xbox 360 has 256 GB/s bandwidth reserved just for the frame buffer. This allows the Xbox 360 GPU to do Z testing, HDR, and alpha blended color rendering with 4X MSAA at full rate and still have the entire main bus bandwidth of 22.4 GB/s left over for textures and vertices.
CONCLUSION
When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.
However, hardware performance, while important, is only a third of the puzzle. Xbox 360 is a fusion of hardware, software and services. Without the software and services to power it, even the most powerful hardware becomes inconsequential. Xbox 360 games?by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services?will outperform the PlayStation 3.
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Gravity: Just as a recommendation, make sure that you have a link to information you are stating before you make statements. That being said, I believe that he was referring to the now famous Major Nelson articl, in which case, his point of view of 30% is accurate. http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html
However, that article (while factual) is incredably biased and only proves that anyone can manipulate numbers to have them say whatever they want. Please note... Sony's claims are also biased and manipulated just as much (Can anyone tell me how they arrived at the 2 teraflop #? Or how they think that the GPU can produce 1.8 TF of that #?)
velascoj2: First off, I would say that you should hunt down an article on the ATI chipset to understand exactly what they are going to do with that Frame Buffer. I'll see if I can find a good article, but it is capable of far more than you would think for 10MB of RAM.
Second, if I remember correctly, the XDR RAM doesn't actually run at 3.2. It runs multiple chips that feed data together for an effective 3.2 rating (simular to the P4 800mhz FSB). We don't know if MS has instituted multi channel paths to the RAM but it could just as easily come close the the XDR figures (Picture it as follows, GDDR@700-x2 for the DDR=1400Mhz, if they go Dual Channel, your up to 2.8Ghz, if they had three channels (Hey, they can do it with processors) then your at 4.2ghz effective speed). Not saying that this is fact, but you have to be wary of numbers.
Third, while the GDDR3 is rated for 700, the RSX is running @ 550Mhz and due to timing issues, the Ram would probably be set to that speed as well.
As a side note, let's not forget that Sony could very well take a major beating in the next few months. Immersion won their suit against Sony (to the tune or $91 million plus the order to stop sales of PS2's in North America). Now, they can sell them until their appeal, but loosing that (and they probably will) means that Sony may not have a console to sell here from the end of the summer on... Pretty hard to be competative when you don't have a product.
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25. May 2005 @ 05:00 |
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Hey all,
Not into console games anymore...but thought this might be interesting for you all avid fans in case it hasn't been mentioned.
It is either Time or Newsweek that is out right now that has a in depth article pertaining to the new Xbox. The pic of the new Xbox with Bill Gates is actually on the front cover.
Not sure how old/new this info is, but if anyone is that interested, ya might want to check it out.
Have a good one folks!
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"From now on we are poison to you Spider-man...Thats why we call ourselves... VENOM"
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25. May 2005 @ 05:39 |
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it's time magazine. Anyone wants a read of the article, pm me and I'll scan it and send it to ya.
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00Gravity
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25. May 2005 @ 09:05 |
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how am i going to have a link to a newspaper? and no one else uses links, why are y'all buging me about them, but if that's what you want.
the xbox confirmed the so-called "ring of light" theory, which had said the device would sport an oversized power button surrounded by a ring of LEDs, as well as that it would sport two slots for 64MB memory cards and one for a 40GB hard drive on the console's side.
Besides the Xbox 360 itself, the leaked snapshot showed three peripherals, including its controller. The controller pictured was clearly the same as that shown in pictures "leaked" by the Microsoft-associated teaser site Ourcolony.net. That site also recently released another picture of the controller, which shows the controller in more detail, including what appears to be the new Xbox logo...the same globular insignia featured in a shot leaked months previous. It also shows what appears to be a charging port on the bottom of the console.
Besides the controller, the other Xbox 360 peripherals pictured in the leaked photo were an apparently wireless headset and an EyeToy-like camera. The latter recalls the add-on mentioned by Microsoft corporate vice president and chief XNA architect J Allard at last year's E3, one which, as evidenced by Allard's demonstrative chitchat with Jenny McCarthy, would let Xbox Live subscribers videoconference one another.
Another photo leaked from the event shows a DVD remote for the Xbox 360, which, besides reconfirming the globular Xbox logo, appears to have some sort of Windows functionality. Beneath the traditional X/Y/A/B button configuration is a button with the distinctive Windows logo. Given recent comments by Microsoft chairman Bill Gates, it's likely the insignia means that at least one version of the Xbox 360 will have Windows Media Center functionality.
Last but not least, a new image leaked on Ourcolony.net indicates the Xbox 360 will have customizable skins. The image shows five examples of the increasingly iconic power button--which is also featured as one of the rotating images on Ourcolony.net's home page--surrounded by multicolored patterns reminiscent of many currently available console skins. Such a feature would be in line with J Allard's keynote at this year's Game Developers Conference, during which he talked about the customization demanded by today's youth, which he deemed "Generation Remix."
While convincing, it must be emphasized that none of the images have been confirmed by Microsoft. As of press time, spokespersons for the company had still not officially commented on the pictures.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/09/news_6123886.html
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00Gravity
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25. May 2005 @ 10:26 |
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All though i believe the xbox 360 is better than the ps3, I still think that if sony does bring the ps3's power up, you will be content, with either system you get. i thought the ps3 was going to be better, until i did some research on both systems. g4 is nothing but a fanbase of sony fans. they said that sony had the best press conference. in my opion, i think that microsoft had the best press conference because they showed a lot of the things the 360 could do instead of just showing graphics and the engine like sony. And nintendo was still talking about the ds.
watch the press conference and tell me which one you think was better.
Sony: http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/615/615091/vids_1.html
Microsoft: http://media.xbox360.ign.com/articles/614/614983/vids_1.html
Of course nintendo still has mario ( whichly no one cares about anymore ), Zelda, Donkey Kong, Nes, Pokemon (LOL), and some resident evil titles. Sony has Tekken, GTA, and had Final fantasy, Microsoft has Halo, fable, and final fatasy. so titled games, i have to go with sony. I'm sorry ms and nintendo fans, but the best fighting game and the infamous car stealing game are just to addictive to give up. That's why i'm getting both.
Nintendo: http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/615/615274/vids_1.html
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25. May 2005 @ 10:39 |
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Whatever man i just don't care for the xbox i don't care there going to have a million games out that doesn't mean there just going to destroy PS in the game department. And about PS money situation come on man how would you know how much money there going to have or losing really not from reading some news paper or from the net i don't think PS would just let anybody know about there money situation. If you have that please show me i would love to see
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25. May 2005 @ 10:56 |
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2kwic, i wish i could go to my friend and get it but school is out, sorry. and the 360 probably won't detroy the ps3. who knows. i don't. i'm just saying that if sony does manage to get the power of the ps3 up, they may infact have the better system. the only thing the 360 will have over them then is online play. and for people who don't like online play, don't need the 360. but then again, the 360 has more memory, so the ps3 maight barely have more memory than the ps2. on the original xbox, you would have to play and save every single xbox game to use up 1 block. the xbox comes with 50000+ blocks. so this means that the xbox has infinit memory. and I don't see sony out doing that. i'm not trying to dis the ps3, i'm just saying keep in mind that the 360 will have more memory, better online play, more games, will be cheaper and out sooner than the ps3.
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XBOX 360 RULES BITCHIS AND Toiletman RULES BECAUSE HE LIKE XBOX 360 MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah boy
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See. i'm not siding with either system, all you will here from me is that one is better than the other.I don't hate any of the companies, and i'm a huge fan of all three of them. i'm probably more of a nintendo fan, but they blew it with the game cube. so it's all sony and microsoft now, and since i've been hearing bad rumors about the ps3. i'm looking foward to the 360. don't get me wrong though, the ps3 and nr shall be great systems.
and it happens 2kwic. just deal with it. don't let your love for sony blind you from the truth like my friend kevin. why would sony talk about how much money they have, it's called an interview. why does the newspaper talk about our country going to war, i don't know. fine, i'll admit it. i don't know why things happen, i just read and report, that's all. so don't get mad at me if i tell you something you don't want to here, don't read anything i reply, fine. i don't care. i don't know everything
But i do have all the 360 info, just tell me if you want it ALL!!!!!!
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Well, well, well, looks like I also decided to throw in my two cents in the disscussion. All I can say is Im a die hard xbox man and a fan of the Halo series so in my opinion Ill get an xbox 360. I love all the features such as the free xbox live and video chat but then again that killzone 2 trailer seemed off the hook(almost had a heart attack watching it). "once you go xbox 360 you never go Ps3" (Yeah, Im assuming that in some alien language that rymes).
Me personaly, I would preffer an xbox 360!
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25. May 2005 @ 15:19 |
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well brace ya self, here's all the 360 info i have and could find
The Xbox 360? is the future of entertainment. With the most stunning games, powerful technology, and intelligent services, Xbox 360 puts you at the center of your entertainment experience.
Play the most compelling games. Watch DVD movies. Enjoy digital music, photos, and videos in an integrated entertainment system.
Xbox 360 also opens the door to incredible new high-definition entertainment. Experience Xbox 360 games in HD. Stream HD television and movies straight from your Windows Media Center Edition PC to your Xbox 360.
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The System:
Break out of linear and limited gaming. Demand ground-breaking entertainment that is always connected, always personalized, and always in high-definition. Accept nothing less than the most powerful next-generation platform, with cutting-edge technology and service innovations that deliver the future of entertainment today. A meticulous merger of form and function. A technically superior interior wrapped in a sophisticated exterior.The Xbox 360 will launch globally this 2005 holiday season in North America, Europe, and Japan and in calendar year 2006 in Asia Pacific and Latin America.
Xbox Live :
Enter a world where gamers across the globe come to play anyone and everyone, anytime ? anywhere. Xbox Live? is the next evolution, the future of gaming and entertainment.
? Plug your Xbox 360 into your broadband connection, and you're on. Always.
? Build your profile, your gamer card. Show your face ? or don't.
? Talk to friends across the globe through voice or video.
? Download character skins, premium levels, and more in the Xbox Live Marketplace.
? Play who you want with Intelligent Matchmaking.
? Tune into spectator mode to see your friends in action.
Games. Entertainment. Community. Information. Innovation. The best just got better.
Xbox Live is where gaming and entertainment come alive. Get connected and join the revolution.
The best online gaming community is about to get even better. Check out what's on the way with Xbox 360.
Voice and Video Chat:
Building on its popular voice communication feature, Xbox Live? will enhance communication with the introduction of Party Chat to all paying Xbox Live members. This means you can talk to your friends anytime, anywhere on Xbox 360? online. Requires Xbox 360 Compatible Headset for Voice Chat and Xbox 360 Compatible Camera for Video Chat.
Message Center:
All of your notifications, voice and video messages, and even system- and service-based communications will be stored in one location.
Enhanced Friends List:
Not only will you be able to review a prospective friend's gamer card to help determine whether or not to add them to your Friends List, but you'll also be able to see your friends' Friends Lists.
Marketplace:
Using the Marketplace, find and download demos and trailers along with new game levels, maps, weapons, vehicles, skins, community-created content, and more.
Exclusive Programming:
Xbox Live is "always on"?something's always happening. The exclusive Prime Time Calendar is your destination for all information about events on Xbox Live. Play your favorite Xbox Live titles against real-world celebrity gamers through programs like Game with Fame and Mystery Gamer, and participate in unique promotions like "Play and Win."
Enhanced Matchmaking:
Multiplayer gaming is now truly as easy or as challenging as you want it to be. Several new features, like gamer cards, Gamer Profiles, and Gamer Zones, make meeting up with friends and competitors at your skill level easier than ever before!
Tournaments and Competitions:
Xbox Live-sponsored tournaments will continue across a multitude of different titles and genres. More and more games will also support gamer-created tournaments on Xbox Live for Xbox 360.
Spectator Mode:
This is the "virtual arcade," a chance for you to watch other gamers compete in supported titles. Games that support this feature will give you the ability to participate online without having to compete. Learn tips and tricks, or just sit back and enjoy the show.
Sourced from MICROSOFT.
Xbox 360 Specifications
Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU ? Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
? Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total
? VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
? 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
? 1 MB L2 cache
CPU Game Math Performance ? 9 billion dot product operations per second
Custom ATI Graphics Processor ? 10 MB of embedded DRAM
? 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
? Unified shader architecture
Polygon Performance ? 500 million triangles per second
Pixel Fill Rate ? 16 gigasamples per second fill rate using 4x MSAA
Shader Performance ? 48 billion shader operations per second
Memory ? 512 MB of 700 MHz GDDR3 RAM
? Unified memory architecture
Memory Bandwidth ? 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
? 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
? 21.6 GB/s front-side bus
Overall System Floating-Point Performance ? 1 teraflop
Storage ? Detachable and upgradeable 20GB hard drive
? 12x dual-layer DVD-ROM
? Memory Unit support starting at 64 MB
I/O ? Support for up to four wireless game controllers
? Three USB 2.0 ports
? Two memory unit slots
Optimized for Online ? Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features with broadband service, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, gamer profile for digital identity, and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies, or listening to music
? Built-in Ethernet port
? Wi-Fi ready: 802.11a, 802.11b, and 802.11g
? Video camera ready
Digital Media Support ? Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD ? Ability to stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras and Windows XP-based PCs
? Ability to rip music to the Xbox 360 hard drive
? Custom playlists in every game
? Built-in Media Center Extender for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
? Interactive, full-screen 3-D visualizers
High-Definition Game Support ? All games supported at 16:9, 720p, and 1080i, anti-aliasing
? Standard-definition and high-definition video output supported
Audio ? Multi-channel surround sound output
? Supports 48KHz 16-bit audio
? 320 independent decompression channels
? 32-bit audio processing
? Over 256 audio channels
System Orientation ? Stands vertically or horizontally
Customizable Face Plates ? Interchangeable to personalize the console
The Xbox 360? video game and entertainment system places you at the center of the experience. Available this holiday season in Europe, Japan, and North America, Xbox 360 ignites a new era of digital entertainment that is always connected, always personalized, and always in high definition.
Xbox 360 gives you access to the games you want to play, the people you want to play with, and the experiences you crave?when and where you want them.
Key Highlights:
Hardware, software, and services: Unveiled to the world on MTV on Thursday, May 12, 2005, Xbox 360 represents a dramatic leap forward in high-definition gaming and entertainment experiences. Fusing powerful hardware, software, and services, Xbox 360 fully engages you in a gaming experience that is more expansive, dramatic, and lifelike, where the possibilities are limitless and your imagination knows no boundaries. The next generation is here.
Industrial design: A merger of form and function, Xbox 360 wraps powerful technology in a sophisticated exterior. Two of the most innovative design firms in the world?San Francisco-based Astro Studios and Osaka, Japan-based Hers Experimental Design Laboratory Inc.?came together to craft a sleek, stylish system that conveys the very essence of Xbox 360.
Xbox Gamer Guide: The Xbox Gamer Guide is an entertainment gateway that instantly connects you to your games, friends, music, movies, and downloadable content. Available at a touch of the Xbox Guide Button, the Xbox Gamer Guide gives you instant access to the experiences and content you want, from the gamer card of the player that just invited you to play online to new downloadable content for the game currently running.
Personalized interface: Xbox 360 lets you create your own unique system and experience. With interchangeable Xbox 360 Faces, it's easy and fun to change the appearance of your console. Switch on your system and customize the look and feel of the Xbox Gamer Guide and Xbox System Guide with unique "skins." From sleek and sophisticated to fun and funky, pick the Faces and skins that show your personality.
Ring of Light and Xbox Guide Button: Divided into four quadrants, the glowing Ring of Light and Xbox® Guide Button visually connect you to your games, digital media, and the world of Xbox Live?, the first global, unified online console games service. Featured on both the wireless and wired controllers, the Xbox Guide Button puts you in control of your experience. In addition to bringing up the Xbox Gamer Guide and the Xbox System Guide, the Xbox Guide Button lets you turn the system on and off without ever leaving the couch.
Xbox Live: Xbox Live is where games and entertainment come alive, the only unified place where you can play with anyone, anytime, anywhere. And the best just got better. Connect your Xbox 360 to your broadband connection and get instant access to Xbox Live Silver. Express your digital identity through your Gamertag and gamer card, talk with others using voice chat, and access Xbox Live Marketplace?all right out of the box, at no extra cost. Upgrade to Xbox Live Gold and enter the exciting world of multiplayer online gaming. With intelligent matchmaking, access to all your achievements and statistics, video chat and video messaging, and an enormous selection of games, Xbox Live Gold delivers your competition, on your terms.
Xbox Live Marketplace: Keep your favorite games fresh with instant access to new content. Xbox Live Marketplace is a one-stop shop to download new game trailers, demos, and episodic content, plus new game levels, maps, weapons, vehicles, skins, and more. Accessible to everyone who establishes a broadband connection with their Xbox 360, Xbox Live Marketplace lets you personalize and extend your experience, on demand.
Games: Xbox 360 redefines what games look like, sound like, feel like, and play like to engage you like never before. With Xbox 360, epic worlds are alive with detail, from thunderous skies rumbling over a mountain range to tiny blades of grass rustling together in the breeze. Vibrant characters display depth of emotion to evoke more dramatic responses, immersing you in the experience like never before. You?ll see all Xbox 360 titles at 720p resolution in 16:9 widescreen, with anti-aliasing for smooth, movie-like graphics and multi-channel surround sound.
Digital entertainment: Amplify your music, photos, video, and TV. Watch progressive-scan DVD movies right out of the box. Rip music to the Xbox 360 hard drive and share your latest digital pictures with friends. Make the connection, and Xbox 360 instantly streams the digital media stored on your MP3 player, digital camera, Media Center PC, or any Microsoft® Windows® XP-based PC.
Developed by the creators of the Xbox® video game system, Microsoft® Corporation's new line of Xbox 360? system peripherals extend your digital entertainment experience on Xbox 360.
Unlike any console before, Xbox 360 puts gamers at the center and gives you the freedom to personalize your gaming experience however you see fit. Xbox 360 Faces make it easy and fun to change the face of your console. Change your Faces whenever you like to match your personality, your mood, or your wild side. So flip it, switch it, or leave it be, and express your unique sense of style.
Interchangeable faceplates allow you to express yourself and create a one-of-a-kind system.
Find cool, customizable, cutting-edge designs that are fun to change.
Faces are highly versatile, with multiple designs to choose from.
Faces are designed for easy switching.
Maintain full functionality of your system, regardless of which Face you choose.
Pick up copies of the collectable limited-edition Faces.
Memory Unit:
Further enhancing the gaming experience, Xbox 360 Memory Units allow you to save your in-game achievements and unique gamer profiles. The Memory Units are easily portable and enable quick and easy access to previously established benchmarks, putting you in control of your games and your lifestyle. You can save your games, your Xbox Live? profile, and more with Xbox 360 Memory Units.
Transport your Memory Unit in the portable carrying case that fits on your keychain.
The Memory Unit (64 MB) requires no setup. Just plug it in, and you can save your favorite games.
Xbox 360 holds up to two Memory Units, so you can easily upgrade to more storage space.
Xbox 360 Universal Media Remote :
The Xbox 360 Universal Media Remote was engineered to serve as your integrated control center for the entire Xbox 360 experience. Enter a new world of digital entertainment with the touch of a single button. Play DVD movies and music, plus control your TV and your Media Center PC with one controller. The centralized, glowing Xbox Guide Button gives you quick access to your digital movies, music, and games library, and backlit buttons make the keypad easy to see in a darkened home theater. So kick back, relax, and enjoy the ride.
Power your Xbox 360 system on or off without leaving the couch.
The Xbox Guide Button allows for easy navigation of the Xbox Gamer Guide.
The Xbox 360 Universal Media Remote includes control buttons for your music, pictures, and more.
The Xbox 360 supports progressive-scan for DVD playback functionality, including a control for opening and closing the tray.
The remote supports universal TV and console functionality, including volume and mute buttons and up-and-down channel changing.
Windows® XP Media Center Edition Button and Media Center Edition functionality are featured.
A, B, X, and Y buttons are included for basic control of your Xbox 360 system, even without a controller.
Numbered and backlight keypad gives you full functionality, even in the dark.
Xbox 360 Wireless Controller :
High-performance wireless gaming is here! Using optimized technology, the Xbox 360 Wireless Controller lets you enjoy a 30-foot range and up to 40 hours of life on two AA batteries?and when they run low, you're given ample warning so you can connect a Play & Charge cable for uninterrupted play. Plug the Xbox 360 Headset into the controller for full duplex voice communication: a wireless first. With quick access to Xbox 360 features including DVDs, music, pictures, and more, along with the ability to support four wireless controllers simultaneously, gamers can experience wireless freedom, precision, high quality, and performance for endless gameplay.
It's cordless?no cables to plug in?with a 30-foot wireless range.
The controller features integrated 2.4GHz high-performance wireless technology.
New and improved ergonomic design enables maximum comfort and endless gameplay.
New left and right shoulder buttons are designed for ease of use.
Two analog pressure-point triggers, two vibration feedback motors, and one eight-way directional pad are included.
Experience an unprecedented level of Rumble Control. Set the Rumble Control to Full, Medium, Low, or Off to match your personal preference.
The Xbox Guide Button at the center of the controller gives you quick access to all your favorite Xbox 360 system activities, such as watching movies, listening to music, contacting friends on Xbox Live, and customizing your gaming experiences. Easily jump to the Xbox Gamer Guide or Xbox Live Marketplace.
Xbox 360 Controller:
Based on the acclaimed design of the Xbox Controller S, the Xbox 360 Controller features an extended nine-foot cable and an improved ergonomic design. The centralized, glowing Xbox Guide Button grants you quick access to your digital movie, music, and games libraries. The ultimate in gamer flexibility, precision, control, quality, and comfort are all yours.
New and improved ergonomic design enables maximum comfort and endless gameplay.
New left and right shoulder buttons are designed for ease of use.
Two analog pressure-point triggers, two vibration feedback motors, and one eight-way directional pad are included.
The controller includes a nine-foot (nearly three-meter) break-away controller cable.
Experience an unprecedented level of Rumble Control. Set the Rumble Control to Full, Medium, Low, or Off to match your personal preference.
A port for your Xbox 360 Headset is included.
The Xbox Guide Button at the center of the controller gives you quick access to all your favorite Xbox 360 system activities, such as watching movies, listening to music, contacting friends on Xbox Live, and customizing your gaming experiences. Easily jump to the Xbox Gamer Guide or Xbox Live Marketplace.
Xbox Live Camera :
The Xbox Live Camera for Xbox 360 opens up a new world of gaming and entertainment on Xbox Live, the world?s premier online video games service. With the Xbox Live Camera, video chat and video messaging with your friends becomes more than just a feature set; it is an integrated part of the Xbox Live experience. Connect and communicate while playing the same or different games, watching movies, listening to music, and more.
The Xbox Live Camera also takes personalization to a whole new level and allows you to customize your gaming experience by putting your face on characters in your games, all while being able to video chat with your friends as you play online. And with next-generation online motion-detection-enabled games, the Xbox Live Camera puts you entirely in the game and in control of the on-screen characters over Xbox Live.
High-end online camera supports up to VGA 640x480 video at 30 frames per second and takes 1.3-megapixel still photos.
The camera includes a microphone that connects to the controller, so everyone in the room can chat online with their friends.
The camera supports built-in video chat and video messaging on Xbox Live.
Your face can be imported into games and can also be placed next to your name on leader boards for even more recognition or fame.
Chat with your friends while you play online in Xbox 360 games as well as in the Xbox Live Arcade.
Xbox 360 Headset :
The Xbox 360 Headset heightens the experience of the unprecedented online gaming community, Xbox Live, allowing you to strategize with teammates, trash-talk opponents or just chat with friends while playing your favorite games. You can record and leave short voice messages for friends or family through the free Xbox Live Message Service or connect with buddies online using the headset in place of the phone. Turn it up or turn it down, and experience the most intense gaming experience possible.
Boom microphone can be adjusted for optimal sound quality.
In-line volume control and mute switch let users adjust the headset volume or switch mute on and off easily.
Noise-canceling microphone improves game response to voice commands, and provides crisp and clear voice communication.
Lightweight, over-the-head design enables comfortable use.
The headset plugs directly into either the Xbox 360 Controller or Xbox Wireless Controller for easy use.
Xbox 360 Wireless Network Adapter:
Designed for versatility and ease, the Xbox 360 Wireless Network Adapter enhances your Xbox 360 experience in the digital home, seamlessly synchronizing with the Xbox 360 system. You can easily transfer videos and music to your Xbox 360 system from your Media Center PC, chat with your friends, play games via Xbox Live, and more?all without the clutter of wires.
The Xbox 360 Wireless Network Adapter is highly versatile and supports 802.11b, 802.11g, and 802.11a.
The Xbox 360 Wireless Network Adapter is powered seamlessly by your Xbox 360 gaming console, so there's no external power adapter to plug in.
You can transfer high-definition video and CD-quality music from your Media Center PC to your Xbox 360 via 802.11a wireless media support.
Xbox 360? is an integrated music, picture, games, and movie center.
Use the camera to video chat or send video messages to friends across the globe via Xbox Live?.
Stream recorded television, videos, movies, music, and photos from your Windows® XP Media Center PC straight to your Xbox 360. Enjoy all your digital entertainment on demand throughout your home with one integrated system.
Play progressive-scan DVD movies right out of the box.
Connect your portable music device to enjoy your favorite music while playing a game or chatting with friends online.
Listen to FM and Internet radio.
Receive game invites from friends while playing games, watching movies, or listening to music.
Enjoy and share your digital photos with friends and family.
Keep in touch with instant messaging via Windows Messenger and Xbox Live.
Get one-button access to the Xbox Guide, an entertainment gateway that instantly connects players to the Xbox 360 experience: your games, your friends, your music.
Xbox 360 Game Publishers:
2K Games
Activision, Inc.
Atari®
Bandai Co. Ltd.
Bethesda Softworks
Buena Vista Games
Capcom
Codemasters
Eidos
Electronic Arts FromSoftware Inc.
KOEI
Konami Digital Entertainment
Majesco Games
Microsoft Game Studios
Midway Games, Inc.
Namco Hometek Inc.
Phantagram Ltd.
Rockstar Games
SEGA®
Tecmo®
THQ®
Ubisoft
Vivendi Universal Games
Webzen
Xbox 360 Software :
2 Days to Vegas
Publisher: TBD
Developer: Steel Monkeys
Genre: Third-Person Action
Alan Wake
Publisher: TBD
Developer: Remedy
Genre: Action
Blue Dragon
Publisher: Microsoft
Developer: Mistwalker
Genre: RPG
Call of Duty 2
Publisher: Activision
Developer: Infinity Ward
Genre: First-Person Shooter
Condemned
Publisher: SEGA
Developer: Monolith Productions
Genre: Action
Dark Sector
Publisher: TBA
Developer: Digital Extremes
Genre: Action
The Darkness
Publisher: Majesco
Developer: Starbreeze AB
Genre: Action
Demonik
Publisher: Magesco
Developer: Terminal Reality
Genre: Action
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Publisher: Bethesda Softworks/ 2K Games
Developer: Bethesda Softworks
Genre: RPG
Frame City Killer
Developer: Namco
Publisher: Namco
Genre: Action-Adventure
Gears of War
Publisher: Microsoft
Developer: Epic Games
Genre: Third-person shooter
Ghost Recon 3
Publisher: Ubisoft
Developer: Ubisoft
Genre: Shooter
The Godfather
Publisher: Electronic Arts
Developer: Electronic Arts
Genre: Action-Adventrue
Kameo: Elements of Power
Publisher: Microsoft
Developer: Rare
Genre: Third-Person Adventure
King Kong
Publisher: Ubisoft
Developer: Ubisoft
Genre: Action-First-person shooter
Lost Odyssey
Developer: Mistwalker
Publisher: Microsoft
Madden 06
Publisher: Electronic Arts
Developer:
Genre:
NBA 2K6
Publisher: 2K Games
Developer: Visual Concepts
Genre: Sports
Need for Speed: Most Wanted
Publisher: Electronic Arts
Developer: EA Canada
Genre: Racing
Ninety-Nine Nights
Publisher: Microsoft
Developer: Q Entertainment
Genre: Action
Perfect Dark Zero
Publisher: Microsoft
Developer: Rare
Genre: First-Person Shooter
Project Gotham Racing 3
Publisher: Microsoft
Developer: Bizarre Creations
Genre: Racing
Quake IV
Publisher: Activision
Developer: id Software
Genre: First-Person Shooter
Test Drive Unlimited
Publisher: Atari
Developer: Eden Games
Genre: Racing
Tiger Woods 06
Publisher: EA Sports
Developer: EA Sports
Genre: Sports
Tony Hawk's American Wasteland
Publisher: Activision
Developer: Neversoft
Genre: Sports
Tomb Raider Legend
Publisher: Eidos
Developer: Crystal Dynamics
Genre: Adventure
Saint's Row
Publisher: THQ
Developer: THQ
Genre: Third-Person Action
Unreal Tournament 2007
Publisher: Midway
Developer: Epic
Genre: First-Person Shooter
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25. May 2005 @ 16:49 |
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So yeah thats exactly why Im getting an xbox 360.
Hey 00Gravity you sound as if you work for microsoft with all that info you put. By the way you also sound like someone here at afterdawn who got banned out(no offence). There was some guy named Zinn going around afterdawn posting up a whole bunch of info trying to convince sony fans to get xbox 360. Well he use to do that until he got banned a couple of days ago. Althogh I also love the Ps3 I say "Go Xbox 360"!
Well Peace Out!...hmm...*thinks for a while* (no they cant be the same person)
"Ill Be Back"
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25. May 2005 @ 17:20 |
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none taken, i guess i do kinda sound like him. except i don't care who gets what, until sony comes up with something to prove that the 360 is lying about something, i'm with microsoft. plus zinn seemed a little crazy sometimes, like he didn't always knew what he was talking about. he sounded like he was trying to take over the world.
but anyway, when you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.
However, hardware performance, while important, is only a third of the puzzle. Xbox 360 is a fusion of hardware, software and services. Without the software and services to power it, even the most powerful hardware becomes inconsequential. Xbox 360 games?by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services?will outperform the PlayStation 3.
go to http://www.majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/ to see the charts
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