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Official PS3 vs. Xbox 360 vs. N. Revolution
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Bicoulord
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31. May 2005 @ 16:54 |
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Will there still be xbox live for the xbox 360 i just want to know or not.
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WVengence
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31. May 2005 @ 17:07 |
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Ludikris: It wasn't just the rumblepack in the controller. 47 games were found to infringe on the patent via software as well as the controller. MS also was named in the suit, but they had decided to settle.
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rap4life
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31. May 2005 @ 17:18 |
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Quote: I just wanted to say something, i am a big xbox fan and i am buying on as well, we all know that the xbox 360 will have better graphics and other stuff, but, the ps3 will also be very close to it, it does have a better library and others, but if you really look at it, i would say that there both going to be about the same. Everyone has different opinions,but i think there both cool and going to be very close.
we dont know if 360 will have better graphics, sony, MS and Nitendo if it is wores sony just f*** up big time. 360 is coming out with at less 200 game in its 1st year(200 game will come out in the 1st year and many will be RPG from japan). if i was MS i will want 200 games before PS3 comes out.all will be able to can play a movie. 360 have in game trailers. Sony cant make games untill they now how good their cells are.
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Sony should give up and stop fighting it they are going to lose more money fighting then just paying it off. they will lose most likily about $120 millon in total for both the law suit and tying to fight it. which will limit they spening money for PS3 and eveything Sony have and sice the PS3 will cost more to make the to sell for about 5 years like the PS2.
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rap4life
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31. May 2005 @ 18:36 |
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Quote: Will there still be xbox live for the xbox 360 i just want to know or not.
Yes it will
2 diff. types
1 free, and 1 that cost money
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syntheti
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31. May 2005 @ 20:00 |
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i think ill just stick with the free
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Ludikhris
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31. May 2005 @ 22:13 |
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WXengence.. thx for clearing that up for me, I never totally knew why they were being sued but I had heard something about games and something about controllers. Microsoft was smart to settle, they probably did so having that lawsuit experience. None the less even if Sony is slapped, it won't hurt them THAT much.
Rap4Life.. Id like to see something that says "There will be 200 games out by the time the XBOX 360 is 1 year old." All I have read is... "40 games within 1 month of release, 160 will be in the works in the first year." Therefore it doesnt sound like 200 games in the first year. Also Sony has already sent out thousands of dev kits the number 4000 rings a bell for some reason. They don't necessarily need PS3s to make the games, they can start writing them now and test them later which Im sure is the plan. You really seem to a zealot for MS. The only real reason I sound like some Sony fanboy is because I am trying to stand up for them against you lies. Microsoft will have a good product, but Sony is not going to crap in a box and mark it $300+. My guess is PS3 will be the strongest system of the three, most analysts agree with me too seeing as how they are delaying on purpose to beat the 360 for the best muscle machine. Remind you this doesnt mean that PS3 will be the best console (though if you look at the numbers and ran some research figures based on repeat customers etc I would say they will sell the most units), but to state as a fact "XBOX 360 will dominate" makes you look like a fan boy and really hurts your informative credability.
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Matrifart
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31. May 2005 @ 22:13 |
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Bicoulord, like rap4life said we don't yet know which console will have the better graphics. The rsx has a higher clock rate, but we all know that ati makes killer cards. I personally think the ps3 will have the edge, but i am in no position to make claims as i frankly don't know.
But rap4life, the $120 mill law suit is nothing, M$ get them, all teh time, ALL companies have those every once in a while. And for a huge company $120 mill isn't that much. A lot yes, but not killing. I think the ps3 will make a substancial profit, and will be a hard competition for the 360. The market is big and there are many "mouths to feed" so to speak. I will wait matiently for the ps3, as i know many others also will. Stupid? Maybe, but that is just what i think about xbox fans so whaddya got?
NOONE.......
PS3 rocks....
Ok so the 360 is a nifty piece of kit aswell..
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rap4life
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31. May 2005 @ 22:22 |
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Quote: Bicoulord, like rap4life said we don't yet know which console will have the better graphics. The rsx has a higher clock rate, but we all know that ati makes killer cards. I personally think the ps3 will have the edge, but i am in no position to make claims as i frankly don't know.
But rap4life, the $120 mill law suit is nothing, M$ get them, all teh time, ALL companies have those every once in a while. And for a huge company $120 mill isn't that much. A lot yes, but not killing. I think the ps3 will make a substancial profit, and will be a hard competition for the 360. The market is big and there are many "mouths to feed" so to speak. I will wait matiently for the ps3, as i know many others also will. Stupid? Maybe, but that is just what i think about xbox fans so whaddya got?
im not trying to change ppl mind. Im glade u dont buy something because u herd that someone was getting it. and both will make alot of money but like i said it take years so a console make money.
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rap4life
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31. May 2005 @ 22:28 |
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Quote: Sony has revealed it is working on an 8-layer version of the Blu-ray Disc that is capable of storing 200GB of data.
"The advantage of Blu-ray over DVD is definitely capacity and we are extending our multilayer performance. The 8-layer is a technology demonstration. We haven't decided when we are going to commercialize it yet," said Sony spokesman Taro Takamine. The company plans to commercialize a 4-layer 100GB version in 2007.
Blu-ray Disc (BD) is a next generation high-density optical disc format that enables recording and playback of digital high-definition (HD) video signals and programs. Earlier this week, Sony officially announced that it had begun preparations to adopt Blu-ray Disc ROM (BD-ROM) format as a medium for the PlayStation 3.
The BD-ROM format has a huge memory size of 54 GB (dual layer, single side), which is 6 times larger than that of DVD-ROM, and has the potential of becoming an ideal medium to distribute next generation entertainment content from movies and music to computer applications.
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http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/6821/Sony-Developing-200-GB-BluRay-Discs
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rap4life
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31. May 2005 @ 22:44 |
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Quote: Hideo Kojima Interview
In this Boomtown exclusive, Hideo Kojima discusses the newly announced Metal Gear Solid 4...
Are the new console platforms fulfilling what it?s makers promise?
I actually haven?t started developing on the new consoles yet. My impression is, for PS3 Sony is aiming for a very high level. I?m not sure if everyone can live up to that high standard that Sony is expecting. So if everyone is expected to meet that high level, I am not sure that every creator, every publisher will be able to meet these high expectations. For Xbox 360, it?s a little bit more down to earth, more realistic so people maybe can join easily to start creating on the 360. Speaking about Revolution, there are still a lot of secrets and I don?t know everything but from what I heard like you could connect your portables or you could play old games, I get the impression that the developers could create games on less budget or create titles that are not super high expensive in cost. If you allow me to express the three hardware platforms in a funny example, PS3 would be like a dinner that you only have once a year or twice a year on your anniversary etc.
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http://ps2.boomtown.net/en_uk/articles/art.view.php?id=8293 This makes me hungery.
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rap4life
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31. May 2005 @ 22:50 |
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Quote: Today, at the International Solid State Circuits Conference (ISSCC) held in San Francisco, IBM, Sony and Toshiba disclosed in detail, for the first time, the breakthrough multi-core architectural design - featuring supercomputer-like floating point performance with observed clock speeds greater than 4 GHz - of their jointly developed microprocessor code-named Cell.
A team of IBM, Sony Group and Toshiba engineers has collaborated on development of the Cell microprocessor at a joint design center established in Austin, Texas, since March 2001.
The prototype chip is 221 mm, integrates 234 million transistors, and is fabricated with 90 nanometer SOI technology.
Cell's breakthrough multi-core architecture and ultra high-speed communications capabilities deliver vastly improved, real-time response for entertainment and rich media applications, in many cases 10 times the performance of the latest PC processors.
Effectively a "supercomputer on a chip" incorporating advanced multi-processing technologies used in IBM's sophisticated servers, Sony Group's computer entertainment systems and Toshiba's advanced semiconductor technology, Cell will become the broadband processor used for industrial applications to the new digital home.
Another advantage of Cell is to support multiple operating systems, such as conventional operating systems (including Linux), real-time operating systems for computer entertainment and consumer electronics applications as well as guest operating systems for specific applications, simultaneously.
Initial production of Cell microprocessors is expected to begin at IBM's 300mm wafer fabrication facility in East Fishkill, N.Y., followed by Sony Group's Nagasaki Fab, this year. IBM, Sony Group and Toshiba expect to promote Cell-based products including a broad range of industry-wide applications, from digital televisions to home servers to supercomputers.
Among the highlights of Cell released today:
Cell is a breakthrough architectural design -- featuring eight synergistic processors and top clock speeds of greater than 4 GHz (as measured during initial hardware testing)
Cell is a multicore chip capable of massive floating point processing
Cell is OS neutral and supports multiple operating systems simultaneously
"Today's disclosure of the Cell chip's breakthrough architectural design is a significant milestone in an ambitious project that began four years ago with the creation of the IBM, Sony and Toshiba design lab in Austin, Texas," said William Zeitler, senior vice president and group executive, IBM Systems and Technology Group. "Today we see the tangible results of our collaboration: an open, multi-core, microprocessor that portends a new era in graphics and multi-media performance."
"Today, we are very proud to share with you the first development of the Cell project, initiated with aspirations by the joint team of IBM, Sony Group and Toshiba in March 2001," said Ken Kutaragi, executive deputy president and COO, Sony Corporation, and president and Group CEO, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. "With Cell opening a doorway, a new chapter in computer science is about to begin."
"We are proud that Cell, a revolutionary microprocessor with a brand new architecture that leapfrogs the performance of existing processors, has been created through a perfect synergy of IBM, Sony Group and Toshiba's capabilities and talented resources, " said Masashi Muromachi, corporate vice president of Toshiba Corporation and president & CEO of Toshiba's Semiconductor Company. "We are confident that Cell will provide major momentum for the progress of digital convergence, as a core device sustaining a whole spectrum of advanced information-rich broadband applications, from consumer electronics, home entertainment through various industrial systems."
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http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/7606/Cell-Processor-Unveiled/
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rap4life
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31. May 2005 @ 22:53 |
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Quote: PlayStation 5 to Allow Digital Immortality
By: César A. Berardini - "Cesar"
May. 23rd, 2005 6:42 am
When I found this story, I thought it was a late April Fool's Day joke. Well, it's isn't. BT Exact's futurologist, Dr. Ian Pearson, claims humans will achieve a type of virtual immortality by saving their consciousnesses into computers by 2050.
"If you draw the timelines, realistically by 2050 we would expect to be able to download your mind into a machine, so when you die it's not a major career problem," Pearson told The Observer.
"If you're rich enough then by 2050 it's feasible. If you're poor you'll probably have to wait until 2075 or 2080 when it's routine. We are very serious about it. That's how fast this technology is moving: 45 years is a hell of a long time in IT."
To explain his theory, Pearson used an interesting example:
"The new PlayStation is 1 per cent as powerful as a human brain," he said. "It is into supercomputer status compared to 10 years ago. PlayStation 5 will probably be as powerful as the human brain."
So, as you can see, Sony hasn't yet shipped the Cell-powered PlayStation 3 and there?s already people talking about the PlayStation 5, which apparently will be 1 TFLOP more powerful than God.
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http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8356/PlayStation-5-to-Allow-Digital...
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rap4life
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31. May 2005 @ 23:12 |
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Quote: Xbox 360 controllers will be compatible out of the box with Longhorn, the next version of the Windows operating system. This is mosy likely due to the fact of the wirless function of the controller. Most likely it will be a USB attachment to hook it up to PCs. For those who are unsure what Longhorn is, it is the next Windows operating system.
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rap4life
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31. May 2005 @ 23:23 |
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i cant find about 200 game a will some more later to show im sorry.
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Ludikhris
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1. June 2005 @ 00:01 |
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Good news for the Nintendo people!!!
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=9233
Perhaps this will set a trend and we will see a massive support for the new system (I can only hope). It would make me a happy panda to see Nintendo eat MS and Sony, its unlikely, but so was the results of the PSX. We'll see.
Also I found this somewhat old news a bit interesting.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=9233
Apparently it will be a bit easier to program on the PS3 (so they say). We know Sonys track record on promises though. However I have read this in more than one place.
Rap4life and I are pirates that stole this thread!!!
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WVengence
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1. June 2005 @ 02:49 |
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Matrifart
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1. June 2005 @ 03:46 |
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WVengance, nice.... Very nice.... Just one point, teh Blu-ray WILL be better than the traditional dvd. These new formats are, even though they are called holo-dvd and Ao-dvd, not the same as a dvd.
The blu-ray is just a continuation of the classical cd/dvd optical technology which relies on reflecting information from a surface on a layer on an optical disc. The blu-ray and dvd are the same other than the blu-ray uses a blue laser instead of a red one. The blue laser is on the other end of the laser spectre, and has a much shorter wavelengt, meaning the information the laser "burns" on the cd can be packed much cloer together.
These new discs are way cooler though. Using holographic storage and multidimentional mesh, they store information in volumes instead of on surfaces, as the articles say. Therefore the storage capacity will be much much higher. They ARE the way of the future, but not the immediate future.
Remember that these new "DVD's" cannot be read by a normal dvd player, they require an entierly new construction, which is in development.
However, NOW the blu-ray is the best that is currently on offer. The other newly discovered formats are possibly available but they would cost a lot (and i do mean A LOT as the new formats are only just in their testing stages). The blu-ray stores much more than a dvd, 25GB a layer, and with the 8-layer one sony is testing now, that means 200GB which is more than enough for next-gen games. And you gotta agree it is better than a normal dvd which the 360 uses(No offence to 360 fans). But then again a dvd is probably enough, which lowers the 360's cost more than the ps3.
Links to articles about blu-ray:
http://www.ferret.com.au/articles/72/0c030772.asp http://www.emedialive.com/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=9979 http://www.dtvprofessional.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=32486 http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23568
Also i found this article which you xbox fans might like:
http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/nid/829/
NOONE.......
PS3 rocks....
Ok so the 360 is a nifty piece of kit aswell..
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WVengence
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1. June 2005 @ 04:38 |
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Ah, but Blue Ray isn't compatible with existing DVD technology nor is it really a continuation (HD-DVD is closer)... They manage it by adding a second red laser that is capable of reading regular DVD's. Which can be applied to these formats as well. Otherwise, Best is not the same as better. Blue Ray has some issues currently and will be far more expensive to impliment than other options at the moment.
That is one of the BIG things about HD-DVD. It uses a 'standard' dvd media type that would require very little to change production factories. Meanwhile, BD-DVD is completely different, meaning a costly overhaul to retool factories... But we should probably start a new HD-DVD vs BD-DVD thread for that one...
Also, the Holo-DVD is fairly close to existing technology but allows then to vary the laser angle to write multiple sets of data to the same area...
As for the 360, the 360 should be MORE than enough. First, games don't go beyond 4-5GB right now and other than textures, that won't increase much. Plus MS has their procedural synthesis technology which can DRAMATICALLY reduce the size needed for games.
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/xbox360-1.ars
for those interested in reading up on PS tech... It's really something else... Also very good proof of my point that MS can take the hardware they have and do far more with it...
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matt1230
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1. June 2005 @ 06:40 |
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Xbox 360 will kick ps3 Ass because its coming a year before ps3 plus it will be $360 and ps3 will be $600 plus you have to buy a hard drive that?s a 100 bucks and the ps3 has less processing speed Xbox. Xbox has 3 times the processing speed and it will be able to be 10 times more compatible to the internet that means you will be able to download games, movie trailers, movies, game trailers and you can even win a million Bucks in project Gotham 3 in Xbox live. Also Xbox live silver will be free but gold will be $50. I am not getting ps3 because my ps2 fell a part and all my controllers about 20 broke. And my first ps2 died because. I had so many games I had to buy another one. Don?t be fool by ps3 it is a peace of shit. Fu@# Sony!!!! Another thing Microsoft has halo, halo 2 and there making halo 3. Halo is amazing!!!
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matt1230
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1. June 2005 @ 06:58 |
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What is with the blue-ray it is gay it is not compatible with most format?s it can?t even burn DVDs like Xbox 360. I don?t even think it can play DVD?s.
Why would Sony make there system bigger than the ps2 and bigger than the Xbox?
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matt1230
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1. June 2005 @ 06:59 |
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Why Would Sony make a remake of a bad game? Killzone sucked!!! And the game play looked good now there showing killzone 2 and the game play looks good but it probably suck the graphics look good but you're not going to like it. Online is going to suck for killzone 2 like killzone online.
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Ludikhris
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1. June 2005 @ 07:11 |
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Matt 1230.... You haven't read much... Always do your homework. Almost everything you said is wrong, I dont even know where to start. Just assume it was all wrong and save me some time. Take each sentence, think the opposite, and thats what I would have wrote here.
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WVengence
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1. June 2005 @ 07:57 |
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Well, the PGR3 tourny for $1 mill was talked about and I personally think Halo is amazing. Otherwise, what Ludikhris said...
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matt1230
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1. June 2005 @ 08:02 |
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OK but if you're saying I?m wrong then you?re saying IGN.com is wrong too. Do you even know what GFLOPS is? Well Xbox 360 has 240 and ps3 has 228. Also for CPU Floating point performance comparison Xbox is lower but in CPU general purpose performance comparison Xbox 360 has 1 and Ps3 has .27. Get this Total memory system bandwidth for Xbox is 278.4 GB and ps3 has 48 GB Take that I got all my info from IGN.com Also I got all of my info from IGN.com before so I think you are wrong.
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matt1230
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1. June 2005 @ 08:04 |
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P.S. I did my homework Ludikhris!!!
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