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Official PS3 vs. Xbox 360 vs. N. Revolution
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24. June 2005 @ 07:00 |
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"acording to a reliable sorce(ps2 mag)"
Please, please tell me, how is a sony magazine reliable information? I take it you believe what politicians tell you too?
Do you not think they may be biased?
You also need to be more grammatically correct. When the spelling & punctuation is poor, it makes it very difficult to read/decipher the huge sentence you made.
Yet again we have someone who is contributing (in my opinion) a lot of nonsense to a reasoned (hah!) debate.
Why can't everyone just wait & see instead of this tiresome & peurile speculation. All we get is spec after spec, stupid comparisons & spouting garbage at regular intervals. The average age of these petty contributers must be 7 or eight years old.
I cannot believe the bull***t that some complete no-hopers are clinging on to from the manufacturers. This is for the children. Anyone who has at least a modicum of common sense will see this stupid thread for what it really is!
The only reason I keep looking in is to see what complete prats we are gathering. We have had people banned, yet others do not know when to stop. On & on, rather like this post - pure, unadulterated, inane drivel.
I am going to have a toot now!
Just another little rant!! LMAO
Pulsar
Probably get into trouble for this, not the best way for a senior member to act, but I am so fed up of this tiresome stupidity.
So fed up I will keep on having a look!
I would like to aplogise to the mods for this one in advance! (sorry Flip & Neph, I could not help myself!)
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M.L
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24. June 2005 @ 08:51 |
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i think if the ps3 runs lindows it would be ok.but i really hope that it would be able to run longhorn.mac and others dont really matter to me.
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mustafa69
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24. June 2005 @ 15:36 |
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um....i know that ps3 will be better....no point in provin y nuff ppl already proved it....and can i ask a question? Since Xbox 360 is being made by the top computer company in the world, how come the ps3 has 54GB hdd but Xbox360 only has 9GB?
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dlm
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24. June 2005 @ 16:17 |
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tiny87tim: one more feature of the PS3 that you forgot... DRM. antipiracy nonsense that will make managing media a hassle!
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kutiya
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24. June 2005 @ 19:50 |
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Hovabyte is absolutely right.Those of you who own xbox praise 360 and ps2 owners pray ps3 and then there are very few who saw,touched,played both systems at e3 and have there opinion whhich is probably the right one.So dont discuss everything by just looking at pictures let them come to the market ,play em for 6 months and then give your personal opinion.
And secondly after every release of new game the game reviewers say "This game showed the true potential of the system,graphics are better than ever before".
Finding True potential of a system is neverending process.
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25. June 2005 @ 02:35 |
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we have a monumental clot. Ok, tiny87tim has refrained from saying "Ps3 roxx" or similar, but still, as earlier questioned, "reliable" ps3 mags. some of the facts are true, but those that are, we've known for many months. Some of them are also ridiculous (so many cars in gt5, "about 50 from what i've seen from the video). Someone can't count or think.
Ffor a start i don't believe any more than about 15 cars were visible in any one capture from "vision gran turismo", purile though it is, the game HAS NOT been named Gran Turismo 5 officially yet. Or i don't think so. And how many races do you knopw that involve 50 cars on track? VGT will be focusing on realism, and therefore the most we could expect is 20/21 ish opponents.
as pulsar has said, this thread just seems to be drawing in the prats like bees to a honeypot. To be fair though, the mods almost certainly have better things to do than listen to this drivel. We may have some fools, but that alone i think is no reason for people being banned. it is ironically those who reply with profanities and curses by the bucket that are asking to be banned.
so KEEP YOUR COOL!!!!
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25. June 2005 @ 06:14 |
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dlm, where do you find that Sony will equip "anti-piracy nonsense" and Microsoft won't? Because, I have seen neither mentioned specifically for either. Security firmware, however, is a term Sony stamped on their new set up, that may/may not be on the PS3. If PS3 is going to to this level, why wouldn't microsoft? What makes you think Microsoft is going to stannd back and watch us blow away copyrights, they aren't, it's cost them money, because they make money off the games not the system they sell.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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25. June 2005 @ 06:38 |
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If something lets you play games, it will have anti-piracy protection. All consoles will be packed full of protection software. Let's just hope StarForce isn't included!!!
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25. June 2005 @ 20:34 |
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http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453
Very good article. Gets somewhat technical, but the point comes across well. A very important point too. Apparently games in developement for XBox 360 will only utilize 2 threads anyway, within the first few years. Programmers are keeping games single threaded still.
This is a big leg up for the Intel 840. Everyone has been given the 840 so much crap about being slow in the FBS and clock speed for gaming applications. Most people are going opteron and 64 X2. Intel however is looking toward the future with it's 840 four threaded processor. As are Sony and Microsoft. What does this tell you? The not too near future holds multi-threaded games, thus the PS3 and 360's capabilities. Now, this leaves AMD in the dust, trying to pawn off higher bus and clock speeds while gaming is still single threaded. Purchasing a $1,000 840 now, would leave you with a decent workstation now (some applications, not many) and an excellent gaming and home PC in the future, saving you money.
I know this was a little off topic, but is a huge impact. I know I'm incorporating a 840 dual core HT CPU in my new computer, combine that with the new 7800 GTX and 8GB of DDR2 800 RAM, and your set for years, rather than always upgrading out of Dell's (average person just buys a pre-built PC) P.O.Ses.
This shows (read the link and easy to find things on the 840 v. AMD) that games will become multi-threaded, but won't even when the 360 is released. The 360 on release apparently will use only two threads(aside from helper cpus), until gaming changes. The new consoles are prepared for the transition along with intel for PCs, for the most part AMD is not, and will cost you more money.
I thought this was helpful for me, PC, and for everyone to recognize the first years of the new consoles will actually come down to GPU.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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xboxfool
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26. June 2005 @ 03:26 |
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i'm sure that the PS3 will b much more powerful than the XB360 but all that power is wasted if there aren't a lot of really good games. And yes the PS2 has a bigger game library but 3/4ths of the games were crap and i wouldn't spend a dime on them much less 75 canadian dollars! The XB360 will destroy PS3 because most of the games MS puts out on XBOX r fairly good. And halo 3 will deffinatly sell some XB360's.
p.s ne1 know if the xb360 will b backwards compatible?
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rootmage
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26. June 2005 @ 05:14 |
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look dudes i hate to burst your bubble about the ps3 but the xbox 360 has a graphics card like no other the has 48 pipelines atis pc graphics has 16 . 16 * 3 =48 one for each processor in other words it has three freaking graphics card inside it did i mention that 360 has a camera that will allow you to actualy put your face in a game and games like gotham racing 3 wich has gothamtv you should check this out man im ive studied this thing and ive found a few of microsofts next marketing hammers you guys fell for the hype at e3 the 700 mhz main system ram ive read is far smaller then normal ram makeing it far faster and cooler then normal ram the hardware in the 360 is harder to market then they maid the ps3 but the ps3 had to one up the 360 to stay alive thear fighting for market share
but the bench marks in this sucker are gonna be close it wouldnt surpise if the 360 turned out to be faster. they looked at the 3.2 ghz
ram . they turned it down for a reason
gonna be pretty close
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WVengence
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26. June 2005 @ 05:20 |
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Reasons: To be fair, you should state that both the 360 and the PS3 will only use one or two threads... It has nothing to do with leading up to the 840, though. It's more just the fact that Multi-Threaded processing has only been used in higher end server applications to date, not games. Developers are going to need some time to learn how to program for the new environment. Of course, the article also implies that there is a steeper learning curve for Dev's on the Cell (which is pretty much a given, these days) so most of it's power will remain locked away for awhile...
mustafa69: We will assume that your talking about DVD sizes, since the 360 has a 20GB HDD & PS3 0GB...
The reason is simple... MS has stated that they will wait until the format war is decided before they do something. They will release newer versions/upgrades when everyone knows which way the market is going. Sony is using the BR-DVD in hopes of forcing consumers to adopt it's format and therefor win the format war by default...
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M.L
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26. June 2005 @ 07:41 |
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im getting ps3 becasue i know it wiill last longer.it will take them a long time to tap the cells full potential.a new xbox will come out before ps4 and i dont wanto waste my money on a system that will last 3 years.
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WVengence
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26. June 2005 @ 09:13 |
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M.L.: Do you have a link that says the 360 is only going to go for three years? I'd swear that both companies have said they are planning for 5 years.
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M.L
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26. June 2005 @ 09:28 |
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This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 26. June 2005 @ 09:31
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26. June 2005 @ 10:29 |
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WVengence, I said games were still going to be one-two threads, that implies both the PS3 and Xbox 360. I wasn't using it for either's support, rather that it will come odwn to GPU in the beginning.
eDRAM- Is on a separate die (the "daughter die" as ATI calls it), has a 256GB/s Bandwidth on that die. The bandwidth going to the GPU is ~32GB/s(will be higher because data is compressed across bus). This reiterates very well that the overall system bandwidth claim is indeed very misleading. In essence the eDRAM can only provide the GPU with 32GB/s, not 256GB/s, that rating is on the daughter die between the processing hardware and the eDRAM. Very Very misleading claim to performance for the XBox 360. Don?t get me wrong eDRAM is amazingly useful, but they try to make it out to more than it is.
rootmage, They turned down XDR RAM because they wanted a unified pool of RAM, and 512MB of XDR was expensive, and in essence can only address 256MB under limitations involving 32-bit architecture+ the design behind 3.2GHz. If the Xbox 360 does support 64-bit addressing, then they could have gone for it, but again, the PS3 is going to be more expensive for a lot of reasons, and that's one. XDR RAM eats GDDR3 alive.
Whoever brought up unified pipelines- "The Xbox GPU is able to crunch 240 32bit components in its shader units per clock cycle. Where this is a 51% increase in the number of ops that can be done per cycle (as well as a general increase in precision), we can't expect these 48 pipelines to act like 3 sets of R420 pipelines. All things being equal, this increase (when only looking at ops/cycle) would be only as powerful as a 24 piped R420." -http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=7 Read the article buddy, it makes sense. Still leaves ATI looking pretty sweet, I like this GPU so far, very innovative.
nVidia is still tight lipped about their GPU. The article has some serious speculation based off speculation of transistor count. Working off of nothing they leave the RSX looking like the G70. Funny, sounds like nay-sayers, at least they admit they have nothing to back it up on, and that nVidia wouldn't give up anything. The theory that nVidia placed the pipelines on another die actually is my best guess even though they call it "farfetched". How else would they get the performance, and doesn't seem logical since ATI is going with a daughter die approach too? ATI is big into bragging at this point, nVidia is going to surprise, I hope (daughter die, use the cell's SPEs...). We just don't know yet.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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26. June 2005 @ 10:42 |
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I just heard from sony.com that the ps3's realese date has been delayed until april 2007, the lady at EB games said the dropping price will be around 500+ dollars(yea right, cuase if t is, even im goin with the 360)
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WVengence
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26. June 2005 @ 11:24 |
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Solargame, do you have a link to the sony.com article?
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26. June 2005 @ 12:32 |
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I doubt it'll be pushed that far back, I'm gonna be pissed, as a matter of fact I already am now, just the thought.
I believe the price, that is, if the specs are true.
Links my friend, you must provide us links.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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26. June 2005 @ 15:23 |
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@ WVengence, no, srry i dont, like i said, the woman at EB games said she got a reminder that morning from her boss that its said to be delayed.
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dlm
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26. June 2005 @ 18:27 |
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dlm, where do you find that Sony will equip "anti-piracy nonsense" and Microsoft won't? Because, I have seen neither mentioned specifically for either. Security firmware, however, is a term Sony stamped on their new set up, that may/may not be on the PS3. If PS3 is going to to this level, why wouldn't microsoft? What makes you think Microsoft is going to stannd back and watch us blow away copyrights, they aren't, it's cost them money, because they make money off the games not the system they sell.
i wasn't talking about games piracy i was talking about media friendly consoles. i'm more than happy to pay for games/music but why shouldn't i be able to use it on my terms. while both companies will use DRM, it appears the Sony is pushing for it a lot more than MS. MS have openly stated that you will be able to use nonDRM media such as MP3 files in the xbox 360 and want to be mp3 player friendly. it's not clear sony wnats to go in the same direction...
sony is one of the leaders in DRM encoding music cds (essentially meaning you can't rip them to mp3 players), and DRM technology is embedded into the cell by default. they are pushing ahead with this even though there isn't a unified standard and there is no guarantee DRM encoded media will be portable to other equipment as a result (another bluray vs. hddvd debable?). it seems to me their whole policy is geared at ensuring people can only access media in the form of Sony's choice.
PS: the rumors about delay of ps3 until 2007 has to be utter bs
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26. June 2005 @ 19:35 |
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"It isn't clear yet..." is an understatement. Where do you find that Sony's cell is "DRM embedded"? Seriously, it's nonsense without telling us where you at least heard it as a rumor, dang.
Ripping your own audio CDs to HDD and making your own music playlists for in game playing, is a selling point of both systems, watch the sony press conference at E3, and for the 360, just look at their website, or try and find online the MTV showing. If you can't ripped MP3 or wav onto the drive, then it make no, guess what? no sense. You can, it's a feature of both systems. If you can rip an audio CD(hopefully MP3 cds, and maybe, I really hope, data discs, on DVD with all your music on one disc), you can transport whatever music you have on your comp. to your PS3/360. PS3 running linux/windows/OS X any OS? Data disc all the MP3s in that you want. That theory just became junk... DRM...
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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WVengence
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26. June 2005 @ 20:16 |
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Reasons: You should really stop saying that such and such won't be done because it makes no sense...
Again, I have to ask... Where did Sony say that you could rip music to a HDD (If you happen to have one), that the PS3 will support custom game soundtracks (while the 360 will support it for all games) or even play MP3's? I watched the Sony conference (3 times over because of the entire Killzone debate) and I really don't remember it being mentioned. Please let me know the times that they talk about it so I can rewatch that area...
Also, considering that Sony just brought out the CD's that allow you to copy 3 times only, then having concerns over their DRM policy is a fairly valid point. Admittedly, I haven't heard anything about them including DRM, but then I also haven't heard anything that supports your claims either, Reason. So again, please let us know where this information is to be found. Otherwise, it is just a theory...
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dlm
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26. June 2005 @ 21:27 |
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comparative specs on PS3 v Xbox360. note the complete absence of MP3 in the PS3 specs, but it's there plain as day in the 360s. i'm not just making it up
http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-x
this isn't to say Sony won't have a change of heart... apparently some of their flash players now handle mp3 because too many users weren't happy with the atrac format.
it is a little confusing with sony on the one hand talking about running open source stuff like linux on their console but at the same time trying to push ahead with a variety of DRM mechanisms. I think sony's music and movie divisions have a lot of sway in the strategy of the company and if the console is to be used as a media center, those divisions might get antsy about it running linux too... all speculation of course, but keep in mind that kutaragi doesn't run sony yet.
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dlm
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26. June 2005 @ 22:09 |
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on the PS3s DRM support:
http://www.compshopper.co.uk/shopper/digital-cameras/news/news/66517
"Despite the announcements, technical details are still rather scarce. More information is expected to be revealed at the International Solid State Circuits Conference in early February 2005. The following points of the specification have been highlighted, however: support for multiple operating systems at the same time, flexible on-chip I/O interfaces, real-time resource management system for real-time apps and on-chip hardware DRM support. It will be built using 90nm silicon-on-insulator (SOI) technology."
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