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Do you think Xbox will come out with something like the PSP or Nintendo DS???
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jpp01uk
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3. June 2005 @ 06:40 |
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lxhotboy
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4. June 2005 @ 07:42 |
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That is exactly why they are not going to try to make a handheld unit any time soon or maybe not ever. They still need to work on gaining more ground in profits in the home console competition with sony. Seeing the side by side comparisons of the new systems side by side doesnot exactly lean in Microsoft favor to help them gain ground or overtake sony's dominance in the video gaming industry. With the PS3 being well capable of producing anything that the xbox 360 can produce with its hardware, it may be only a matter of time before someone comes up with an emulator (just like the ones that allow us to play nes, snes, genesis, gameboy, psx, neo geo, etc..) on a different console system like the ps2 is capable of right now.
If someone ever where to put the research into making a emulator that would allow X box 360 and Nintendo's next-gen system games on the more powerful PS3, i am sure it would hurt those companies astoundingly b/c there console would then be needed at all.
But as I said again Microsoft main concern is increasing its number of gamers right, so that they can overtake sony. They tried to buy out nintendo to help them in their quest for the number one spot but nintendo did not want their money. I guess the saying is true that money can not buy you everything.
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lxhotboy
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4. June 2005 @ 07:44 |
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Honestly i would love for an emulator to be developed b/c i would love to have access to some of the Xbox exclusives but more than those title i would love to be able to play nintendos exclusives metroid and the always dominant rpg series in zelda.
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robtwilk
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4. June 2005 @ 10:00 |
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What about Xbox Live - is that making profits for Big Brother? Does Sony have online gaming at the level of Xbox Live? I have never owned a Playstation. I started on Sega systems, then jumped to Xbox and Gamecube.
I guess I'm going to be torn this year - buy a 360 or PS3?? I'd say both, but I think the price tags on these are going to be high.
If I were M/S I would make last minute changes to the 360 to make it stand above the PS3. They still have time before the holiday launch of the product.
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5. June 2005 @ 08:21 |
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I think they should make one... i mean the more the better, each new console you get new features to add on to later on. It would be pretty cool...
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lxhotboy
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5. June 2005 @ 12:46 |
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microsoft might not have time to make the xbox more powerful than the PS3. The sony PS3 is new hardware that has been patented.
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lxhotboy
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5. June 2005 @ 12:50 |
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The system power is not what makes the system. The systems library of games is what has always determined the dominate console. Just look at the PS2 and Xbox. Xbox is more powerful but most of the consumers would rather have the huge library of games and exclusives not available to xbox owners.
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rap4life
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8. June 2005 @ 13:30 |
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the PS2 came out a year earlier then the xbox. most ppl in america cant buy 2 consoles. i got the dreamcast the xmass before the PS2 came out so i couldnt get a ps2, but i could get the xbox, got it the the fallowing xmass. and i will get the xbox360. i will wate untill next year to get it about the time the PS3 next year and hope it will be cheaper.
PS3 is not 2x's stronger then the xbox it cant be since the cell were made for running Laptops not consoles. just look at the 3 companies that made it 2 of them are laptop companies. and the Cell are better for playing movie not games.
the 360 will have about 50 games more then the PS3 comes out if not more. Why doesnt anyone deffend the revolution, it sucks no one wants to play 15 year old games.
And about the topic i think it will be a bad idea for MS handheld consoles are for Nintndo look at Sony they lose more money then they made.
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8. June 2005 @ 14:06 |
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Well rap4life... I have to say yes and no...the reason for Yes: Microsoft will lose money...No: I really think it would be cool if there was a handheld by Xbox
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end3r1991
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9. June 2005 @ 00:15 |
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and the always dominant rpg series in zelda.
Yeah, dominant my ass, zelda may be old, and I do love the damned game to death, but FF is the way better rpg IMO, because zelda for 1. is only been made 2 times each on a console, with snes being the exception
snes: zelda, zelda 2, zelda a link to the past.
n64: zelda ocarina of time, zelda majoras mask
GC: zelda wind waker, wind waker 2 (correct me if im wrong but isnt this the one coming out that was renamed to princesses something, or is that one coming for revolution?)
total: 7
whereas FF is coming out with the 12 installation of the series.
snes: FF1 FF: Mystic Quest FF2 (JP) FF3 FF4 FF5 FF6
ps1: FF7 FF tactics FF8 FF anthology FF cronicals FF 9
ps2: FF10 FF11 FF12
ps3: 3 FF7 remakes. ( so Far)
GC: FF Crystal Cronicals
GBA: FF: tactics advance
total: 21
so IMO FF is better, and I own all of those games that are out (FF12 and the 3 FF7 remakes I will own too. (already preordered FF12)). My favorite game out of all of them has to be Tactics/Tactics Advance.
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lxhotboy
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9. June 2005 @ 07:27 |
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just wondering and i am asking b/c i dont honestly know, but how many times has Final Fantasy won game of the year and how many times has Zelda won game of the year???
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canis
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9. June 2005 @ 10:57 |
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These debates just get annoying. I'm tired of arguing, so wooo, both systems win, microsoft is definitely not in debt whichever ... said that, and to Playstation fans- I DON'T CARE ABOUT HOW "SLEEK" A SYSTEM LOOKS.
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Oh, the new zelda game is legend of the twilight princess and the PSP can burn.
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HaloMan7
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9. June 2005 @ 16:55 |
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the thing is,
Microsoft is so rich, they could make a system way better than the ps3, the Xbox 360 on steroids, LOL/ they have the money and technology to. If Microsoft loses money then they could make it up in the other areas even though they don't need to cuz they so rich, you can upgrade the processors on the xbox 360! dooeyy, sry. you shouldn't say the ps3 will be better until they are both out and tested.
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agreen778
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9. June 2005 @ 16:58 |
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yeah sure I think M$ will come out with an xbox handheld but i also think that you will need at least 4 friends to carry it one to hold the the generator to power it one to hold the console tv sized screen and two to hold the actual console.But hey it will have halo.
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HaloMan7
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9. June 2005 @ 16:59 |
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the ps3 has a curve, it looks pregnant. LOL HA
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lxhotboy
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10. June 2005 @ 05:02 |
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no one cares a about what microssoft could have done or has the money to do. What they have done and are currently doing is all that matters. All the money in the world will not make xbox 360 a better system just because microsoft has so much money. Microsft had the potential to make a new chip and they did, sony had the potential to get a new chip and they did too. Sony's just happens to be a better chip than microsofts by far. Haloman7 i agree you cant really compare the systems until they come out but with all respect due to both parties here, Microsoft had the more capable system with the xbox and still could not compete with ps2's profits and sales so what makes anyone think anything will be any different now that sony has the edge on system power now and still has the fan supporter to back it up???
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rap4life
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10. June 2005 @ 16:48 |
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Sony's just happens to be a better chip than microsofts by far. Haloman7 i agree you cant really compare the systems until they come out but with all respect due to both parties here, Microsoft had the more capable system with the xbox and still could not compete with ps2's profits and sales so what makes anyone think anything will be any different now that sony has the edge on system power now and still has the fan supporter to back it up???
we dont know that the PS3 will be better their is info that show that the PS 3 will not be better then 360 but the 360 will be better the PS3.
Xbox 360 has 3 general CPU? cores , PS3 just one
Xbox 360 GPU has better proccessing power than the PS3 . Thus contributing to overall rendering performance.
Xbox 360 has alot more memory system bandwidth than the PS3.
and before you say MS could have made it up but you got to remeber that a geek can prove that is not real information and have it on the internet within 1 hour so why will they lie and look bad before their 360 comes out. this is base on the specs given.
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lxhotboy
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11. June 2005 @ 16:25 |
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rap4life could you point out to me exactly where you think the xbox specs are better that will change or make up for the 1 teraflops that x box has to offer against the 2 teraflops that ps3 has to offer
here are the specs:
Product name: PlayStation 3
CPU
Cell Processor
PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS
GPU
RSX @550MHz
1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines
Sound
Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing)
Memory
256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz
System Bandwidth
Main RAM 25.6GB/s
VRAM 22.4GB/s
RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB< 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)
System Floating Point Performance
2 TFLOPS
Storage
Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1
I/O
USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1
Communication
Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
Controller
Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)- you can use your PSP as an controller!
Network (over IP)
AV Output
Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1
Disc Media
CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW
Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE
xbox
* Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
* Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total
* VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
* 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
* 1 MB L2 cache
CPU Game Math Performance
* 9 billion dot product operations per second
Custom ATI Graphics Processor
* 10 MB of embedded DRAM
* 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
* 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
* Unified shader architecture
Polygon Performance
* 500 million triangles per second
Pixel Fill Rate
* 16 gigasamples per second fill rate using 4x MSAA
Shader Performance
* 48 billion shader operations per second
Memory
* 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM
* 700 MHz of DDR
* Unified memory architecture
Memory Bandwidth
* 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
* 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
* 21.6 GB/s front-side bus
Overall System Floating-Point Performance
* 1 teraflop
Storage
* Detachable and upgradeable 20GB hard drive
* 12x dual-layer DVD-ROM
* Memory Unit support starting at 64 MB
I/O
* Support for up to four wireless game controllers
* Three USB 2.0 ports
* Two memory unit slots
Optimized for Online
* Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features with broadband service, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, gamer profile for digital identity, and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies, or listening to music
* Built-in Ethernet port
* Wi-Fi ready: 802.11a, 802.11b, and 802.11g
* Video camera ready
Digital Media Support
* Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD ? Ability to stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras and Windows XP-based PCs
* Ability to rip music to the Xbox 360 hard drive
* Custom playlists in every game
* Built-in Media Center Extender for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
* Interactive, full-screen 3-D visualizers
High-Definition Game Support
* All games supported at 16:9, 720p, and 1080i, anti-aliasing
* Standard-definition and high-definition video output supported
Audio
* Multi-channel surround sound output
* Supports 48KHz 16-bit audio
* 320 independent decompression channels
* 32-bit audio processing
* Over 256 audio channels
System Orientation
* Stands vertically or horizontally
Customizable Face Plates
* Interchangeable to personalize the console
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tijl
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11. June 2005 @ 17:19 |
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lxboy: On the gamespot there is an article about something called a unified pipeline technology that Ati (-> Xbox360) uses and Nvidia (->PS3) doesn't use and which is supposed to make the Xbox360 better then the PS3.
MIND YOU: I'm just saying what the article says: I'm being objective so I'll immedialetly point out that it's written by a guy who works for MS or ATI can't remember (laizzy/laggy day look it up yourself :))
As to microsoft coming out with a handheld: don't think so, but the gizmondo runs on some MS thing not :p:d. It's just to late now for microsoft to get in the game, but I think that in 4y or so (when pc graphics have caught up with PS3 an XBOX360 graphics, and we call the graphics from the consoles bad) the technology will exist (and the batteries) to make a console 4 times the power of the Xbox360 and PS3 in the size of a PSP and you can just connect it to the tv to play at home (seperate wireless controller) or take with you (on unit controls or brain powered controls or something like that :p)
But for now: I just want my PSP now :'(
*EUrope Lags, PSP rocks, my pocket is empty*
-> If you know a good psp deal mail me please, 3 games + PSP (bundle) for cheaper prize then 3games + PSP seperate = eternal gratitude (depending on quality of extra games ;))
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lxhotboy
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11. June 2005 @ 19:33 |
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yeah the psp should be made so that you can hook it to the tv and plug in another controller so that two players can play it on tv too. That would be a good option for a friend who does not have one to play with someone. A TV tuner would not be a bad idea either.
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HaloMan7
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12. June 2005 @ 09:26 |
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the thing is i think they said that the sony cell processor only has one physical core, and one virtual one, like on your pentium 4 hyper threading processors, it shows 2 cores but only has one.
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dasrock
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16. October 2005 @ 23:44 |
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ibox!
a cross between an ipod and xbox.
this would kill sony!
the future is near
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lxhotboy
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18. October 2005 @ 14:01 |
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No disrespect but Microsoft doesnot have time to worry about a portable. They still have the task at hand to see if they can dethrone sony this time around with the xbox 360 and then if they get that done they might consider a portable but right now they have bigger things at hand on their menu.
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