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tanavel

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20. May 2005 @ 22:59

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ok, i'm no newbie, but not master either. i have alc 120 as well as nero 6.6. apparently the rhumor of certain consoles burning "outstide-in" instead of "inside-out" is false. there *must* be a way in 2005 for a pc dvd+/-R drive to directly rip working xbox discs for backups. i've even downoaded a "test" .iso file of a complete game. and iso.=.iso. they are direct bit-for-bit images of the originals. why won't my .iso burn (with Nero 6.6 or Decrypter) work when i put it in my xbox? data is data, it's all 0's and 1's. one poster on another site said "decrypter" can backup ps2 games using the "write" .iso funcion, but it doesn't seem to work with Xbox. does it truly work with PS2 and not Xbox (if so, i'd pick up a PS2 just for that ability)?. as far as i know, *any* .iso file copied successfully to DVD should work exactly like the original, and have read posts of some claiming that it does work. i just want to protect my investments by burning backups. if .iso image files work for DVD Video (movies), they should work the same for games. if not, what do i need? there *must* be a way to do this WITHOUT a mod-chip and ftp'ing files from/to xbox/pc. c'mon, it's 2k5, someone must've found the solution by now! props to anyone who has, and i'd be greatful to be pointed in the right direction....

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AtariBorn

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20. May 2005 @ 23:05

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It has something to do with the Xbox DVD drive itself. Maybe the file allocation table the Xbox uses (FATX) or a hardware dongle on the Xbox drive???

I'm not really sure what the deal is, but I've read somewhere that you can read Xbox discs on your PC if you have a Samsung 616T PC DVD ROM.

Also, I've heard of people putting cheap Thompson/Phillips drives in their PC to achieve this.

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PimpDawg

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21. May 2005 @ 15:24

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I'm not really sure what the deal is, but I've read somewhere that you can read Xbox discs on your PC if you have a Samsung 616T PC DVD ROM.

This is possible, here is the tutorial on how to do it http://www.consolecasemods.com/tutorials/SammyHi.pdf Talk about tough!

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Also, I've heard of people putting cheap Thompson/Phillips drives in their PC to achieve this.

Are you serious? Can you link us all to the site where you read this info.?

The only thing a mod chip does is overlook the boot process. I am not a techy freak so I don't know exactly why a cd/dvd burner cannot burn these boot process files onto the disc. If somebody knows exactly why, I would like to know!

I have been on many forums for a few years now and have never seen anybody be able to play a backup game in their system without having to do something to it in order to play it.

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ManGoogle

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24. May 2005 @ 11:08

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Yeah - it appears that the problem is somewhere in the way that the PC writes its sectors to the disk. Because the PC is unable to use the same filesystem that is native to the Xbox, it cannot recreate it on a disk.

In my opinion, a direct bit-for-bit backup program would be able to solve this; something powerful enough to ignore everything and focus on exactly cloning the disk. I guess this does not exist.

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pSword

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31. May 2005 @ 21:18

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yup, I think man Google is right. The Xbox uses a different file system than windows (fatX vs fat), therefore the discs for Xbox are created with a different file structure, readable only by systems using fatX.

This brings up another theory...what if someone were to create a partition on their harddrive using the fatX file system, and set up evoX or something similar on their pc...in theory, they could modify evoX to be able to use the pc's dvd burner to copy discs in the fatX file structure...

EDIT: Now, come to think of it (i know this was already said, im just expanding on the idea), if you have a dvd burning program that copies both the empty part of the disc and the part with data, all in bits (1s and 0s), you could, theoretically, bypass both encryption and file structure. So, you could copy ANY disc, including original xbox discs.

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