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Deznaj
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24. May 2005 @ 04:02 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I just bought (yes, not a lie!) Seinfeld season 4 and tried backing it up with DVDshrink. When opening the disks DVDshrink just freezed! This applied to all 4 disks on different percentages...

Since this is the first problem I encountered using DVDshrink (for instance, Eternal Sunshine wasn't a problem), I was wondering if Sony pulled another of their copy-protection shemes. They already f*cked up the CD-market so I can't back-up new Sony CD's, so it wouldn't suprise me if the DVD market is their next target!

I know that Paramount DVD's are protected (it's on the box), but DVD-shrink went through them like butter. On the Seinfeld box there is no sign of copy protection...

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24. May 2005 @ 09:21 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
As far as I know there is no new protection out there. I would try ripping with DVD Decrypter and see if this works or if you still get an error. Either try cleaning your disks or return them sounds like you may have a bad pressing :~)


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24. May 2005 @ 10:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Deznaj ,
Do what arniebear wants you to do. If DVDDecrypter has errors on the rip then it is usually bad scratches or a bad press.
"AnyDVD" when used in the background should enable you to rip the CD's. There is a 21 day trial offer. Google for it and try it
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24. May 2005 @ 21:15 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I just read other post about similar problems with fairly new DVD's, so I'm not alone!

It could be a bad pressing, but the DVD's play just fine in my DVD-player. I'll try DVD-decrypter, but if it doesn't work I don't think the shop where I bought it will take the DVD-box back because "I can't make a copy"... :-)

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24. May 2005 @ 21:28 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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I don't think the shop where I bought it will take the DVD-box back because "I can't make a copy"... :-)
As long as you exchange an open dvd disc/s for the same thing, no one usually gives you shit. Just say they skip in your dvd player. As far as a bad press is concerned, stand alone dvd players are more forgiving when it comes to these playing them. I'ts when you try to rip them that they give you problems. Also, some dvd roms/burners are not as good as others when it comes to ripping, so there are some people who will have more trouble with this process than others.

I myself have had to exchange 8 dvds for this reason within the last 3 years(Napolean Dynamite and 7 disney movies) and it wasn't untill I exchanged RE2 5 times early December that I finally realized Sony got brave. Not all sony releases have the arcoss protection. The new sony releases I've come across that didn't have it were Closer and BoogeyMan.

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I live in Holland, and most big chain shops DO give you shit when returning open DVD-boxes. The policy is "no exchange if the seal is broken" and defective DVD's are checked in the store. There is always the alternative of returning the DVD to the manufacturer, but hell...the DVD's do play!!!

I will just try decrypter + shrink one of these days and see what happens!

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16. June 2005 @ 00:52 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I have also just bought Seinfeld Season 4 and have tried to back it up with the DVD Shrink and AnyDVD (5.2.3.1) combo. Discs 1 and 3 were fine. Discs 2 and 4 had the same problem of invalid file structure. I also tried to do them with DVD Decrypter, and it recognised some dummy sectors but killed itself with retry's.

Is it possible it is because i have not downloaded the latest version of AnyDVD, or are there any changes i could make to the settings of DVD Decrypter to make this work
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16. June 2005 @ 03:57 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
From Scuba Pete Guide using Shrink/Decrypter on Hard to rip disks
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"Uncle" ScubaPete's Last Ditch Suggestions to work through a hard-to-rip DVD"

I have just finished battling "The Scorpion King" . After trying to rip the first disc for some time, I finally took it back for an exchange as defective. I fared no better with the replacement - What to do ? Finally, I borrowed a copy from a mate's in a different province and it ripped right through. The bottom line, it was a bad batch from the Mfgr. So now I've compiled several "tricks" and things you can try before changing discs - Hopefully, one of them will work for you, at different times, they've worked for me. :)

Let's begin by assuming you've tried your favorite recipe to rip and encode without success. Hopefully you're running AnyDVD as a "Behind-the-scenes" ripper, if not, let's give it a "go" -

Here is a 21-day FREE trial: http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvd.html

No luck there ? Then let's continue on . . . .

First, let's start by Fine-Tuning DVD Decrypter. Let's take a moment to fine-tune your DVD Decrypter's settings. First, it should be version 3.5.4.0. Go to "Tools", "Settings", set everything to "Default". Then in the "General" tab change, "Removal Method" from "Normal" to "Aggressive", in "File Mode", "tick" Remove IFO/BUP PUO's." For ripping in the "ISO, Read Mode", "tick" "Remove IFO/BUP PUO's" there also. in the "CSS" tab, under "CSS Cracking Method", choose "Brute Force ~> I/O Key Exchange" and "On Failure" choose "Yes". . IMPORTANT: In the "I / O" tab, in the bottom right, "tick" the box which says, "Ignore read errors". This helps with some Mfgr defective discs and it is an excellent setting for dealing with lightly scratched discs which may cause reading problems. We're now finished with our settings here so click "OK." There's no reason to change these settings. DVDD is good ripper right out of the box, all we did is to give it some "teeth." (Lol :)

Under "Mode" we have a choice of either File or ISO Read to rip our DVD. For problematic DVD's I suggest ripping in the "File" MODE - IMPORTANT: Remake a folder and name it VIDEO_TS (just like that, case sensitive) to put your ripped files in. If you are ripping a multi-angled DVD OR an episodel disc I suggest ripping in the ISO MODE as that will copy every nuance of a DVD making an absolutely perfect copy. Now, go rip your happy heart out - :)

If you have never used DVDD before, take it out for a "spin" around the block, Check under the hood, Kick the tires and climb inside and smell that "New DVD Decrypter" "smell". Go home, talk it over with the wife and, if you feel in the morning the way you do now, come back and I'll put you behind the wheel of a Brand new DVD Decrypter at a price so low, you'll think it was free. Huuummm, come to think about it, it is FREE - Well, What are you waiting for ?

Remember to stop back and tell me how you feel about it once you've put some "mileage" on it -

OK, if you need the newest copy (released March 21st 2005. Here it is - Download DVD Decrypter 3.5.4.0
Upon some occasions I've gotten an error when attempting to rip in the "File" MODE - I have had a bit of luck clicking "Retry" - sometimes on a "Bear" of a disc you may have to hit "Retry" as many as 15 or 20 times to work it through a tough track. Other times, when it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, you can try to hit "Cancel" and change the ripping MODE to ISO "Read". Changing the type of rip has progressed when the "File" MODE has not. Ripping in the ISO Mode shouldn't scare you if you haven't ever done it - When the rip is complete, open a program like DVD Shrink and go to "File", then "Open disc image". You may have to lQQk for the place to acquire your ISO image when using different programs. Here are some extra "Tricks" for your "Hard to rip" DVD's -

This is a bit "wacky" BUT it has worked for some pple. Rebooting your PC (cleaning out all the memory) allows some discs to be seen better - As I said, it can't hurt and it's worth a try -
Begin by playing your DVD with your PC's player. Play the main feature for two or three minutes then open DVD Shrink, DVD X Copy or your weapon of choice. - As soon as you begin your rip turn off your player so it doesn't interfere with your analyzing. The playing beforehand is only so that your ripping program can "Find" your DVD.
Here's a good fix. Compress your DVD to somewhere around 4.3GB instead of the recommended 4360MB. I.e., Go into DVD Shrink, "Edit", "Preferences" then set the "DVD Target Size" to "Custom" and enter 4300MB as the size. Reducing the amount of Data to be burned it keeps your burning away from the disc's edges where the dye on poor quality DVD discs tends to be uneven and may even be brittle and flaking. Nero, DVD2One and most good burning applications will allow you to set the, "DVD Target size".
You may reduce the number of errors and "artifacts" (the "freezing", " skipping", pixelations and other picture abnormalities) when burning poor media by burning at a reduced speed. It has been my experience that burning at 2.4X will succeed where faster burns will not. Don't be surprised if you have to burn at 1X. Some discs you're lucky to have it burn DVD Video at all. It will take longer but what the heck, you're saving money with those "Cheap" discs, who cares about time when you're saving $$$$ (Lol). Since you're compressing more it might be wise to burn just the movie, the less you burn the better the quality soooo, movie only, please.
The "Magic cleaning" technique: Try cleaning your DVD discs. Yea, I know they're new and clean but do it anyway. Do it a few seconds before inserting it into your DVD tray, use a disc cleaner, eyeglass cleaning solution or 99% Isopropyl Alcohol and a soft cotton cloth and rub-a-dub, dub. As soon as you're finished, "Pop" it into your DVD tray and fire up your program. You would be surprised how many times your disc is now "seen" and works like a "Bad Dog". :-)
NOW, if all of these fail I would put it down to a bad disc OR Mfgr error and return the disc for a replacement one. It may even be a regional problem affecting an entire batch. Though rare it has happened and should be considered. If this is so, buying a disc from another area OR, probably easier, wait some little time and exchange it again trying for a different batch.
http://www.dvdplusvideo.com/petesguide9.html




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16. June 2005 @ 04:30 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Thanks for the advice arniebear. I dont think i have exhausted all options yet, so i will give it another when i get home (sadly am at work now)
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16. June 2005 @ 04:36 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Good luck, and as a last effort you can try the free version of DVD Fab Express listed on the Home page in the news, this may or may not work :~)


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16. June 2005 @ 10:36 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I tried DVD Fab Express on my new DVD of Closer and that read the disc no problem. But when i tried to open files in Shrink it said that it could not find VTS_01_8, which is because it does not exist. Is there a way round this by creating the IFO's and BUP's from the VOB's so that it is not looking for a file that does not exist?
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16. June 2005 @ 10:40 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
@rafigold - try vobblanker (free), point it at the directory on your hard drive where fab put the movie, let vobblanker do its thing to a directory, then point shrink at that directory



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17. June 2005 @ 20:44 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
@ rafigold:

Not sure if you posted the correct error message in DVD Shrink.

Was it this error message (the actual VOB file is just an example):

[code]DVD Shrink encountered an error and cannot continue
Failed to open file X:\Path_to\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_5.VOB
The system cannot find the file specified.[/code]

If so - this is a real problem.

DVD Decrypter contains this 'DVD Shrink fix' - DVDFab Decrypter does not.
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One thing that it corrects is a specific DVD Shrink problem. The problem is with fake VOBU entries that make DVD Shrink attempt to read a file that doesn't exists.

DVD Shrink asks for VTS_01_05.VOB because there are VOBU entries that go beyond the LBA of VTS_01_4.VOB.

DVD Shrink then just plays 'dumb' and expects to open another file.

By changing the table lenght, you are effectivly removing the last 3 'bogus' VOBU entries 3 x 4 each = 12) and so DVD Shrink no longer want VTS_01_5.VOB. This change is done in the VTS_VOBU_ADMAP table to be 12 bytes shorter in VTS_01_0.IFO.

Btw - it is not always just 3 entries that are removed. It could be any number. In the example above it was just 3 entries that had to be removed.

The actual error code in DVD Shrink without the above correction is:

[code]DVD Shrink encountered an error and cannot continue
Failed to open file X:\Path_to\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_5.VOB
The system cannot find the file specified.[/code]
So my suggestion to you is to create a PSL file if there isn't one already created for your region/DVD and use DVD Decrypter ver 3.5.4.0.

Look here: http://forum.digital-digest.com/forumdisplay.php?f=15




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cheers cynthia, vobblanker was worth a try, i maybe didn't read the problem properly though, nice one!



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18. June 2005 @ 07:51 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
@ cynthia_
Yes that was the message i was getting in Shrink for Closer and one of the seinfeld discs (Season 4 Disc 2 to be precise). To get round that i used DVDFab Decrypter followed by vobblanker followed by Shrink and it was fine. All the discs are Region 2 and i have been using AnyDVD 5.2.4.1.

However for another of the seinfeld discs (season 4 disc 4) Shrink gives an error of

Invalid Navigation Structure.

DVDFab Decrypter also had problems. Thanks for the link. I am trying to build my very first PSL file. I will let you know how it goes and if it works submit it for others as well.
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18. June 2005 @ 09:37 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Invalid navigation structure is another error message that indicates a problem in the .IFO file.

It's not just ARccOS that is a problem for DVD Shrink. It's also the very unknown and very rare discussed problem with 'IFO structure protection'. More or less developed to sink DVD Shrink.

The only program that to 100% fixes this problem is DVD Decrypter 3.5.4.0.

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18. June 2005 @ 09:39 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hi creaky!

I think that the only working freeware solution today is to use PSL files with DVD Decrypter if you want to use DVD Shrink as the shrinking program.


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hi cynthia, yeah i guess it will be.
that'll be fine and dandy with me as shrink & decrypter have served me too well to ditch them just cus they're not officially supported anymore



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Thanks for the suggestions but nothing has worked so far. I tried using a PSL file, but it comes out very small:

PSL2
0:0x59340E0F,4169919,DVD_VIDEO
1:4169630,4169909

When ripping using DVD Decrypter and importing the file, this takes care of the problem in VTS_08_0.VOB, but it still gives an error of

Failed to read sector 3743920 - No Seek Complete

and carries on with these for some time, which is in the file VTS_03_1.VOB

Do you have any other suggestions for me? You said it is an IFO problem, does that mean i need to rebuild the IFO's?
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19. June 2005 @ 22:52 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I too am still having trouble with Seinfeld season 4, same as you. Yesterday I copied another Sony release (Steamboy) which gave me no trouble at all using the latest (and last...) DVDencrypter and DVDshrink.

Seinfeld really bums me out, it's the first DVD I can't copy of rip to DivX! Still, I have the original. Think I just have to face facts...

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19. June 2005 @ 23:00 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
@rafigold - have yuo got DMA set on your drive(s) - see here to check/fix... - http://home.comcast.net/~bbmayo/DMA.html



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I use the abovementioned method between dvd decrypter and dvd shrink in order to make playable copies on stabd alone devices, especially when I don't include menus and extra features (which are'nt necessary to view every time that you want to watch he movie.
This involves the use of ifo edit (v.071 for xp or v.072 for 2k)
1. Go to the directory of the ripped files from dvd drcrypter.
2. Open vts_ifo file from the menu.
3. Apply dvd region free (in most cases dvd decrypter has already removed this feature).
4. Aplly remove pop ups (this disambles the locking of changing features during playing, which some times is annoying).
5. Apply correct vb pointers which will instruct the file in question to realocate the pointers to the new addresses).
Good luck!

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@creaky. I do not think that is the problem as i have been able to back up other DVD's before and since these problems arose, but i will check when i get back home (at work now).

@oracle. I did actually want to keep the extras from the disc, but apart from that DVD Decrypter also has problems ripping the disc. Does this mean it is a bad pressing? It plays fine on my stand alone player.
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....just trying to avoid missing some daft basic things, it's always worth checking..



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As I described before, you are not obligate to remove extra features.
In most of times shrinking leads to a new series of pointers, especialy when there is another angle of view or alternate scenario. In this case:
(1) Rip all files to hd using a capable ripper to skip the errors of reading (portection).
(2) Isolate the VOB series of the main movie to anothe directory using ifo edit
(3) Calculate the amount of menus, extras, comments, etc
(4) Shrink the main movie to the ratio in order that the derived main movie plus the above mentioned material in par (3) does not exeed the 4,36 gb.
(5) Reasemble the movie
(6) Cprrect VOB pointers
(7) Use your favorite burner for your new compilation.
note: There is an old tool, but veerrryyyy slow if you want to decide for your self the compression ratio. You can download it from afterdawn and see the instructions also named Rempeg2
Sorry for the delayed answer, iwas in hospital for an operation.
 
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