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can anyone explain how a patch works?
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28. May 2005 @ 16:37 |
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to let you know from the start,im not interested in knowing how to use a patch or whether you like to patch and you think it is the best(or only)way to get a game to work.i want to know why the patch works (its function).i think understanding why it works can add insight to being able to backup games better.
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28. May 2005 @ 18:19 |
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Ok maybe i was a bit vague with my answer but what you have to remember is not everyone is an expert in the coding area so if i was you i would be happy that anyone took a interest in what your saying, i didn?t post because i wanted to waste your or my time i posted because i was trying to be as helpful as i could just like these guys are, and at the end of it i could have learned something just as you were trying to.
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28. May 2005 @ 19:04 |
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thats a vague answer.i find it odd that people do stuff without knowing exactly why it works.i mean is this for swap magic users(and which versions?)or do modchip users benefit from this?im hoping to get more responses for the fact alot of people suggest using a patch.and it makes no sense to be suggesting stuff if you dont know why it works.so it would be pretty pathetic if i all get are responses to go look somewhere else since patching is heavily recommended on this site with no one knowing why.
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28. May 2005 @ 19:23 |
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SWAPMAGiCFiX.COM identifies known problem games with Swap Magic 2.0 CD/DVD and links directly to the appropriate WORKiNG FiX for each game.
the patches are for the OLDER swap magic versions,
The older versions wont boot the newer games without bieng patched.
I never worried about it myself, as I use swap magic 3.3 disks
which doesnt need the fixes,
(except for GOW and a few others I had to rebuild),
But that was only because they were dvd9 games or had dummy files,
I dont know what your getting at ,
These are the only patches I have heard of,
your not gonna be able to play without swapmagic or a modchip,
The patches I know of are for swap magic compatibility,
and very few dvd9 games and such.
If you really want to talk to someone who knows a lot
about coding and patches you should talk to SONIX,
He coded apache2 and many other current ps2 tools,
his website is http://www.backuptools.co.uk
But dont chastize other members because they cant answer your question,
I for one dont care HOW it works just that It does.
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28. May 2005 @ 20:02 |
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i wouldnt say i was CHASTIZING anybody.just to think before they give advice.i did not know this was pretty much for people with the older version of swap magic as dont alot of people.when people tell people to use a patch they fail to explain this fact (probably because they dont know this themselves).so you have occasions where people are telling people to use a patch without knowing what mod a person is using.i myself like to get a better understanding on how things work even if i dont use a patch(which i dont,i too have swap 3.3).but i will check that site out because that site seems to have a deeper knowledge of stuff.
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29. May 2005 @ 01:57 |
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.i find it odd that people do stuff without knowing exactly why it works
there are lots of things people do,and advise to do without exactly knowing the in' and outs of the topic,it seems irrelevant to me..??
i am not sure what you are getting at,or if you are trying to start something,but i can gaurantee i can search through some of your answers,and find you cannot explain the reason's behind them to back the answers up.its just one of things that we do not need to know,and i will leave it to the brainy mother's,who produce such patches,as that is some clever shit.
the patches work,and although i dont know how,....i know they do..:)
so if someone has a problem with a game,and they use swapmagic,and i am going to tell them to use it.
just because people dont know in detail about how the patches actually work,its not going to stop anyone advising the use of them
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with kind regards hursty
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29. May 2005 @ 07:24 |
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well said hursty!!!!
there are alot of things we cant explain
i right programs but it doesnt mean im a programmer who knows what they do
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29. May 2005 @ 10:58 |
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only thing im trying to start is an intelligent discussion.if you take offense to someone trying to get some knowledge stirred up then you probably have a low tolerance for learning.that is what these forums are for,to learn.and all i see is people teling people what to do without explaination(there are a few exceptions).this causes alot of confusion when people offer the same advice over and over again(like use a patch,get better media,etc..)when people have different problems other than these.i dont like repeating long explanations so i give a quick summary of what could be wrong and wait for a response to see if there might be another problem before i give a more in depth explanation.i get annoyed when people pop up and say get better media(no expanation)or use a patch it worked for them(again no explanation).people waste alot of money on media when its not the media or the fact they dont use a patch that is there problem.there are alot of problems i have no idea what could be the problem and i refrain from giving advice to those people.then see what the problem was and learn something myself.
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29. May 2005 @ 11:16 |
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listen,i bet you no-one on this forum has a perfect insight in the way patches work,...so are you saying we should learn about the topic,before making a statement??,because thats just ludricous,there are lots of things a know/,facts etc,but dont know the reasons behind my theory's,but never-the-less,doesnt stop me from helping when i can.
i know what you are saying,but maybe you should word your comments a little bit carefully,in which people wont take offence to,as i know reading statments can often be read the wrong way.
keep it real,and best of luck in finding your answer's,and post back with the results,as i too would like to know how they work,
but i wouldnt say its completly nessecary
regards hursty.....
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29. May 2005 @ 11:45 |
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thats the point i was getting at,that no one knows exactly why.if people took the time to try and find out the reasoning of why things work then maybe better ways coud be found thru knowing the exact cause of these problems.just like the people who found these solutions,they had to understand what was causing the problem.its not ludicrous to try and understand more about something.maybe to expect everybody to be interested is ludicrous(cause they just wont be).that is the purpose of this thread to gain some insight and at the same time point out to people that some advice cant be explained too well by the people giving it.im not calling these people dumb or the that the advice they are giving wont work but that they are giving advice based on what worked for them.and they dont know why it worked it just did.people are thinking they are getting expert advice from people who know exactly what their problem is.like i said before there are some people who give good advice(nobody knows it all)but they are far outnumbered by people who give vague missleading advice (because they fail to look deeper into the problems).
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29. May 2005 @ 12:09 |
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Your starting to make a mountain out of a molehill,
We are not code developers here.
What is a patch?
A patch is no more than a plain text file which contains data about the differences between two versions of the same file or files on a line-by-line basis. If a line changes in a file it is compared to the corresponding line in the original version of the file, and the old line along with the newer version are stored in the patch file. The end result is a list of instructions for updating the code of the original file so that it matches the code in the version it is compared to.
A patch (sometimes called a "fix") is a quick-repair job for a piece of programming. During a software product's beta test distribution or try-out period and later after the product is formally released, problems (called bug) will almost invariably be found. A patch is the immediate solution that is provided to users; it can sometimes be downloaded from the software maker's Web site. The patch is not necessarily the best solution for the problem and the product developers often find a better solution to provide when they package the product for its next release.
A patch is usually developed and distributed as a replacement for or an insertion in compiled code (that is, in a binary file or object module). In larger operating systems, a special program is provided to manage and keep track of the installation of patches.
Now can we drop it.
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29. May 2005 @ 12:31 |
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just to think before they give advice
Sorry I missed this before.
Newbie how about
Think before you start an ingnorant post and then chastize people in it.
P4_tt has been here A LONG TIME and helped many people,
(So has hursty and everyone else on this thread EXCEPT you)
Your first post was back in April.
You had better start choosing your words more carefully.
All I hear you ever telling people is to clean there lens.
Dont let your mouth overload your ***.
To clue everyone in this is the thread in question.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/195257
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29. May 2005 @ 13:03 |
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damn you guys are too tense.its not about dropping an issue or making it into an argument.that was an explaination ive never heard before.i always thought games that were too big wouldnt play on older versions of swap magic.and that making the game size smaller would get them to work.ive always wondered how swap magic works on a step by step basis (like a file log).because something doesnt add up when someone explains how swap magic works.like i get games over 4.3gb(like nba street v3)and the backup wouldnt go past the loading screen(freezes).then i refreshed the toc with a game that has a bigger toc and the game works fine(ive extracted the game and made a backup since and it works without refreshing).ive heard older versions of swap magic wont let you refresh the toc so i thought it had to be the game size is too big for older versions.so overall if some one has a modchip or hd loader they wont need a patch?as you can see im not asking on my behalf(use swap magic 3.3)but on the behalf of people who come to this forum and dont think to ask these questions.
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29. May 2005 @ 13:22 |
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ok you obviously dont know the order in which to solve backup problems (even with your expertise).you dont go switching your media right off the bat.that should be one of the last steps you take,if not the last step.it cost money and no one can tell you what media will work best for your dvd writer,as writers vary.unless they have the same writer or know someone with the same writer and knows what media worked best for them.and its safe to say after using two diferent types of media that it is unlikely your media is the problem(or more likely you have a crappy burner)no need to go buy a third.
anyway you have to make sure there is nothing wrong with your ps2 FIRST then go onto other steps to find out what your problem is.you are going to drive yourself nuts trying to get backups to work on a ps2 that isnt working right.the best way to find out is to find some one else with a mod or if you have swap magic use their ps2 with your swap magic and see if the games work better.then you would go to other solutions to fix the problem.
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29. May 2005 @ 13:46 |
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29. May 2005 @ 13:55 |
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80% of all problems WITH PS2 BACKUPS are media related.
Whether its the grade, firmware,or burn speed.
(not buying a new burner)
but I guess since that fixed your ps2,
you think it will work for everyone else.
Whatever im done here.
But trust me when I say this,
I know what im talking about.
You dont get 1600 posts without helping a few people down the line,
lets see what eventually fixes jimmy problem.
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29. May 2005 @ 16:57 |
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man you are so high on yourself.i could care less what fixes jimmy's problem as long as his problem gets fixed.i dont guarentee fixes as there may be factors unknown to you or me that he may have forgotten to mention(im not psychic).i guarantee he'll spend more money with your advice(could you be paid to give advice to people to buy more media?).you sound like a commercial for dvdr companies.if you want i could pull up some of your post where you suggested to get better media and that wasnt the problem.i give you the fact you seem to know alot about ps2 backups,but that doesnt mean you are always right.and you overhyping the importance of good media is a little suspicious to say the least.
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555Jav555
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1. June 2005 @ 05:13 |
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well can u lot tell me how to use a patch
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dragulaAC
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1. June 2005 @ 08:44 |
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Well I'm sure there are many different kinds of patches out there. Hopefully what you have came with an info file on it? If not i would assume that you would need to put the patch program into the folder or location that your .iso file is and run it. But again, not quite sure what you are working with.
As for this mess of a thread...
I do not go by what worked for me this one time. Look at who you are talking with...I Never bring tags up, but these guys have been apart of this forum for a 'long' time. None of them go by what happened this one time at band camp. They go by what happened in thousands of cases of the same problem they are working on at the time.
If it fixed the last few hundred people who asked the same exact question, then chances are it should fix the next guy's with the same scenario. We look at their burning procedure, ps2, modifications used, etc. We don't just say, it's your media because it was for one other person.
99% of the people who sign up here just to ask a question or 2 could care less about the specifics, they want to know what they have to do to get it working. So that's what we try to do for them, fix they're problem as painless as possible.
Not everyone needs to know how something operates to know when, or how, to use it. I don't know jack about cars, but you know what i drive one.
I have nothing against someone wanting to know specifics about something or understand what exactly something is doing. But, i don't think it's very appropriate to come here and call us pathetic for trying to help people with their problems...
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1. June 2005 @ 09:02 |
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put it in the same folder as the .iso, nice 1 yeh.
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555Jav555
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1. June 2005 @ 09:03 |
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put it in the same folder as the .iso,ill check it out, nice 1.
wait a minute how'd that happen i didnt send the top 1.
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1. June 2005 @ 10:01 |
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@555jav555
are you having trouble with a patch?or are you kiddin around?
@everyone else
you need to get over yourselves.expecting people to give more thorough advice is not an obsured thing to comment on.can you explain why better media works?other than some media is good and some media is bad.and saying that some media is fake only adds more confusion and vagueness to an already vague solution.do you point out the fact that your dvd writer has more to do with the best media to use.most people dont.or the fact that getting better media could get your games to work but doesnt negate the fact that your ps2 might have minor read problems and later down the road your backups might stop working properly.better media is a quick fix and just that and doesnt work all the time.and when it doesnt work you see some poor person try 3 to 4 different brands of media before they realizes their media is not the problem.and your statistics of people who get their games to work with better media as compared to other means seems kinda inflated.
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1. June 2005 @ 14:37 |
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sui-cyco
I suggest losing the "holier than thou" attitude real quick. If we're not meeting your apparently much superior intellect then sit in front of a mirror and talk to yourself instead of acting like a jerk in our forums.
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