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DVD Decrypter -- gone forever
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 6 June, 2005
Not really a good way to start a new week -- this just came in via our news submit (thanks Shoey):
Hello world,
I've got some good news and some bad news. Let's start with the good.... (tumble weed passes by)Ok, and now onto the bad: DVD Decrypter 3.5.4.0 is the last version you'll ever see.We hoped this day would never come, but it has, and I can promise you, nobody is more gutted about ... [ read the full article ]
Please read the original article before posting your comments.
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mindgod
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15. June 2005 @ 17:06 |
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Although this is a major blow, it will NOT stop us. We can still use DVD Shrink and decrypter to back up our dvds. Use shrink to make the ISO and use Decrypter to burn.
Macrovision or Sony or whoever can't win. The RIAA can't eliminate file sharing or CD ripping and neither can the movie industry. Remember, we have the power in this struggle not them. They rely on us for their profits and it's about time we cut those profits off. I've outlined a few steps, but there's more we can do.
Any suggestions on what we can realistically do?
Nono mentioned a boycott. It's possible I guess, if you can get at least 10 percent of the DVD buying/movie going population to join. We need to spread the word. But it's too hard because the internet is cluttered with so much bullshit. If you go on chatrooms to spread the word, no one will take you seriously. If you go on forums, they'll probably ban you, especially the music ones and movie ones. There's got to be another way. Word of mouth will only work so far. Ugh! THINK PEOPLE THINK!
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johnnyi80
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16. June 2005 @ 03:03 |
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Guys,
It is not the end of the world.
The only way to beat the bastards is to be smarter than them (which we are!)
I was thinking ... if a FREE source code of the key algorithms, related to DVD cloning, were to appear in a couple places - say China, Russia, India, ... , Mozambique ?, where the governments have not yet subscribed to suck up to the ?COMPANY?, that would be like releasing the genie out of the bottle ? wouldn?t it ?!?!?!
I believe the collective effort and expertise of world?s IT community is no match for any ?Company?.
Just a thought!
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Alien13
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16. June 2005 @ 03:07 |
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Yeah we cant let those $greedy$ ba$tard$ take away are rights to backup dvds.
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9thdoctor
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16. June 2005 @ 12:25 |
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It doesn't really matter what form of protection they use be it macrovision,css or the new "rip guard" that is supposed to be happening soon, there will always be someone somewhere that will crack any level of protection, we will just have to be patient.
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Alien13
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16. June 2005 @ 14:47 |
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yeah,when is ripguard supposed to be coming out.
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BARNEYX2
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16. June 2005 @ 15:51 |
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SAD DAY FOR THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE INDEED WHATS NEXT I SAY. ONLY WISH I COULD BEAT THE !!! BUT LIKE THE IDEAL OF THE FREE source code of the key algorithms, related to DVD. COULD ALSO BE UED ON CDS AS WELL, ?
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EndLess8
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16. June 2005 @ 18:44 |
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My only question is what rights do we have as a consumer who legally own the products? Nothing, zero, nadda, u buy it, u break it , too bad. go buy another. Justice really is blind.
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16. June 2005 @ 19:17 |
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Guess now it's AnyDVD & Region Free+CSS chance to take over.........
AMD Phenom II X4 3.2Ghz
16GB memory
1TB HDD
AnyDVD & CloneDVD
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17. June 2005 @ 00:26 |
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A_Klingon,
With an un-readable disc, it wouldn't matter whether Decrypter stayed in business or not. I got to thinking about it after I read your post and I believe there might be a way around the unreadable discs. Unfortunately, as is with everything else, it requires money for the initial investment to do this.
By using a DVD player(which will read the discs) and a DVD recorder with a hard drive and a Sima decoder, you could record the movie from the player to Dvd Recorder's hard drive from the disc. Then rip your recording from the recorder's hard drive back to a disc using the Dvd recorder's HDD to disc record function.
If you wanted a menu, record to a RW disc and then use that "now very readable" disc in your PC's Dvd drive and rip the files to your hard drive with Decrypter. Run decrypter's files thru a proggy like NVE 2(good) or DvdLab(better), Sony's Dvd Architect(best), etc. to create your menu, then burn to disc using an app like Nero or Copy to Dvd, and have a backup that way with a fully functional menu.
You would only be able to do the main movie (or show), and the disc's original working menu would be out.
I have ordered the set of Columbo (1st 3 seasons), and since I haven't run across the discs you're talking about, when they arrive I will check out disc no. 2 and see what happens.
I have the Lite-On LVW 5045 HDD/Dvd Recorder with the 160 gig hard drive and I have done this with VCR tapes and off of TV and it has worked quite well. And although you wouldn't have the entire DVD with menu and extras (and it does take some time and effort, but I enjoy this kind of thing), you could have the main movie (or show) with a homemade menu that would at least give you a working backup.
You can actually make some very good menus with action clips, chapters, movie pics or motion backgrounds, and special FX with these programs. I do it all the time, and as I said previously, it's time consuming, but I enjoy messing around with DVD's and Dvd structure. Besides, there's a lot of movies out there that aren't even on Dvd and I have them on Dvd with working menus using this method.
I realize this isn't a viable solution for everyone, but it is a way around it I believe, at least until someone comes up with a simpler and less costly approach. Of which I have no doubt that someone eventually will. Anyway, just a thought and I will let ya know how it goes with the Columbo Dvd.
 GO VOLS !This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 17. June 2005 @ 01:29
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A_Klingon
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17. June 2005 @ 06:23 |
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@bigorange:
Thank you for the workaround!
But you know, that is a far, far, far too involved (and as you say, expensive) "solution" to a problem that should never occurred in the first place. I couldn't afford it, and even if I could, I never would.
That's *terrific* you will check out your copy of Disc 2 (Columbo) when it arrives!
I truly believe that the film giants are "testing the waters" so-to-speak, in my area, (Canada), to see what level (if any) of consumer backlash there will be, and to see just how much they can get away with.As you know, only *one* of the discs in the sets (The Simpson's Season 5 as well) are crippled. The others are "normal".
All discs read 'ok' in a standard set-top (non-computer) player.
I should point out that these are NTSC Region 1 discs. The "crippled" discs, obviously, have been screwed around with severly - the standard DVD specs have been corrupted on purpose.
If you would, bigorange, please let me know which Region discs your Columbos will be in. (USA/Region 1?) I know that in Europe this type of crap has been going on for some time now - it ust kills me to see it come to Canada.
Offnote: The sooner blu-ray/hi-def gets here the better. Oh yes, you can bet there will be more problems here too, but the sooner they get here, the sooner the internet community can "go-to-work" on them.
In the meantime, here's an AfterDawn member alert:
*** Warning *** These box sets contain crippled (rom-unreadable) discs:
 
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17. June 2005 @ 09:55 |
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A_Klingon,
You will be happy to know that they are region 1, so the conditions should be same. LOL, I certainly understand your reluctance to fix a problem that should have never occured to begin with (btw, I totally agree). With such an expensive and involved procedure. Alas, without the PC's Dvd-Rom being able to read it, all software is out the window and it was all I could think of. I already had the Dvd recorder, so it was an alternative I thought might work. And of course, you wouldn't have to make a menu, just put the feature in and play.
I will certainly keep you apprised of the situation and let you know what happens. The set should arrive in a week or so.
GO VOLS !
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banmrk
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17. June 2005 @ 14:37 |
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A_Klingon
I have Simpson Season 5 also, I don't seem to have the same problem as you. I do however have Region 2 version. I also use XP
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A_Klingon
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17. June 2005 @ 23:05 |
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Gentlemen, (bigorange and banmrk):
Thank you for the feedback!
You know, if I stumble upon just one more of these bum discs, I WILL set up a separate thread and ask others to share their experiences! I will include thumbnails of the corrupted titles too!
banmark - with the Simpson's set it was disc # 3 that was crippled. I rented the box set from two different sources with the same results. Since your Region 2 (PAL?) equivalent was unaffected, it just reinforces my belief that 20th Century Fox (and others) are issuing a limited number of disabled discs to "test" the market for backlash. If they can get away with it, they will continue.....
Thanks for the input !
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18. June 2005 @ 02:49 |
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If that's the case and I can't make a backup of my legally bought Dvd's I will return the set for a full refund. I will not contribute to the coffers of these people for a defective disc. It's my property when I buy it and I should be able to make a backup to protect my property.
It's like saying in the old days I can't make a cassette of my vinyl records, or now a CD of my CD music. Yet companies like Sony sell the cassette recorders, the Dvd and CD burners, the VHS recorders and the Dvd recorders. They want your money on both ends, but don't want you to be able to use their products on both ends. They can't have it both ways.
OK, LOL, i've ranted enuff, I'll let ya know what happens :>)
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A_Klingon
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18. June 2005 @ 06:28 |
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Quick note, bigorange:
Many people like to watch the dvds they a) purchase, and b) rent -- on their home computers. That's what DVD playback software is all about. (PowerDVD; WinDVD; etc. etc.) That's what 5.1 soundcards are all about. (My own motherboard has 5.1 sound channels).
As far as I am concerned, if a pressed, commercial dvd *refuses* to be recognized by your computer, it is 100% defective, and you deserve a full refund, (not to mention an apology), especially where there is not one single mention of "copy protection" on the disc box.
** The disc is illegal.
** It does not conform to standard DVD specs.
** You have not received that which you have paid for, and have a right to expect.
** You have purchased defective merchandise.
** You have not been advised of the boxed-set's true contents prior to purchase.
** This is FRAUD.
I'd like to see a class-action suit filed representing (say) 200+ pissed-off people like myself !!!!
[End of my rant.]
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mediadev
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18. June 2005 @ 15:29 |
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Ok boys slow down, I've been working on mediacentre code for a while now. Before doing anything with DVD storage I checked the legal side very carefully. There are many mediacentre type applications and home automation systems that 'copy' dvd's to a digital store ie Hard Drive. This is 100% legal as long as you own and are able to produce on request the original disk.
UK law entitles you to make any resonable backup of copyrighted material so long as you own an original copy and the backup is for your own personal use. Note that lending a DVD to a friend is actually illegal if the material is copyright.
So this means that company X preventing backup by means of undocumented and/or secret features is restrictive of your rights to protect your purchase.
Now this is all going to go pear shaped when manufacturer x releases a disk that can only play on manufacturer x's DVD player. Work out the economics - yep they go bust - to survive they need to license other companies to use the technology and guess what we end up back here because everyone then knows how to play these disks so what was the point? There is none so if a disk doesn't conform to standard then it's by mistake and not by design.
I see that there seems to be no pressure on DVD Shrink at the moment, perhaps because it is a BACKUP tool not a ripper ?
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18. June 2005 @ 15:39 |
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MMMM...interesting, but actually in fact, shrink is a ripper also. It can't burn on it's own but it can rip and edit and compress.
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A_Klingon
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18. June 2005 @ 22:34 |
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mediadev;
Did you know that here in Canada, it is 100% legal to copy freely-available discs from your local Public Library? (Section 80, Canadian Copyright Act).
You don't, i.e. do not need to own the original disc or produce a sales receipt for diddly-squat.
Did you also know that it is 100% legal to download copyrighted songs and keep them for your own personal use? (P2P .mp3's for instance)
Oh yes, attempts are being constantly made to thwart section 80 (among others), but just recently the Canadian Legal Courts have upheld the Act. (Reported in Globe And Mail newspaper and reported here in the Afterdawn news section. I had the original (paper) newsprint article as well.)
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...if a disk doesn't conform to standard then it's by mistake and not by design.
You're joking, right? Tell me you're just pulling my leg, mediadev.
Seems to me more and more of these "mistakes" (innocent errors - HA! what a hoot!) keep cropping up. We'll know more as soon as bigorange gets back to us about his recent Columbo purchases. (By the way, bigorange, the entire Season 1 box set (5 discs, which are freely available from our local Library!) should be fine; I dunno about Season 3).
To suggest that content providers are merely making 'mistakes' in this regard is just ......... (Well, I can't say it here). If, at this late stage in DVD evolution the Major Entertainment Studios don't know how to properly manufacture a DVD, they're in the wrong business and should be selling shoes. (All due respect to shoe manufacturers). 
I repeat: Fraud. Corruption. Illegal.
Would you expect anything less from your friendly, local, benevolent, highly-financed, attorney-riddled, litigation-minded, trigger-happy, multiple-lawsuit-obsessed Motion Picture Company?
P.S. : Whew! I certainly have strayed from this thread's original topic! :-)
It's just that DVD-Decrypter reported a critical error with these corrupted, bum discs. ("Problem Undetermined" or something similar).
<I should have made a screen shot. I will next time> :-)
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19. June 2005 @ 00:01 |
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A_Klingon,
If the warning that was above your screenshot of the Columbo set:
*** Warning *** These box sets contain crippled (rom-unreadable) discs
was printed on the set, then it's obvious to me at least that it was definitely intentional and not a random error.
We know that hard copy read errors have been a form of encryption now for quite some time and they definitely ain't no mistake!
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19. June 2005 @ 01:26 |
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Email your old DVD Decrypter versions to ravneel at gmail dot com, with "DVDD" in the subject, for use in an archive/tribute website. Do not contact me at that email address, private message me via Afterdawn.
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banmrk
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19. June 2005 @ 05:56 |
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The only thing that has affected me, with DVD Decrypter gone, is that when I buy stuff from USA I usually Decrypt them onto a back up so that they become region free. This way I am able to watch them without hassel. As all my dvd players are region 2, you could see how american region 1 would be a problem, however, using the tools this solves that issue. Is this against the law?
It is a question that is playing on my mind for some time, for example, Charmed was released around 6 months earlier in the USA at HALF the price of the one in UK. So I bought them, then backed them up to a disc that is Region free. Again is this against the law? If yes, WHY?
Thank BANMRK.
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A_Klingon
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19. June 2005 @ 06:57 |
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banmrk:
That's a very good question, and I'm sorry that I don't have an answer. If I were in your shoes, I personally would do exactly the same without hesitation.
In the "olden days" it was often necessary to "mod"-ify the innards of your dvd player to make it Region-Free, a sometimes tricky if not outright dangerous process that not only would invalidate the player's warranty, but also might render it inoperable.
DVD-Decrypter neatly allowed us (and still allow_s_ us to eliminate that problem. Region-Coding has always sucked in my view. It's right up there (down there?) with MacroVision, the kiss-ass company of the Motion Picture Industry.
I'm sure that the various weasels in Hollywood will tell you that you are breaking the law (I wouldn't worry about it), because in my view, the unreadable bum-discs they are now foisting on unsuspecting consumers nullifies any credibility they might have had. (Fight fire with fire - A tooth for a tooth, etc.)
By all means, continue to make your backups region-free.
bigorange:
If the industry was so cock-sure of the legality of selling corrupted discs, they would make *all* of the discs in a box-set unreadable in your computer. The fact that only *one* of the discs in these sets is screwed is very telling.
If consumers knew ahead of time what they were getting for their money, the bottom would fall right out of dvd sales. Hollywood knows this. There is a fine line between profitability and excessively pissing the public off. (Well guess what? They have now managed to piss me off. No surprise there, eh?)
The industry is sneaky. Making 1 disc out of 4 or 5 rom-unuseable while leaving the others intact, is more than just not a "mistake", it is downright sneaky. SNEAKY also is their failure to disclose on the box-set cover the corruption that lies within.
rav0:
Are you whom I think you could be??? If so, I have 4 (four) different versions of dvd-decrypter, and a $50 PayPal with your name written on it, and on behalf of all AfterDawners I thank you from the bottom of my heart.
(You could PM me).
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Steve83
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19. June 2005 @ 09:47 |
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I've been archiving EVERY interesting program I see for years, so I have 8 versions of DVDD: 3190, 3120,3122,3122,3500,3510,3520,3540. Having over a TB of HD space comes in handy... :-) Expect a few e-mails.
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Steve83
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19. June 2005 @ 09:53 |
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PS I suggest we log the versions we're sending here so he doesn't get 8 billion copies of v3.5.2.0, etc.
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A_Klingon
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19. June 2005 @ 10:17 |
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Who IS this person, Steve?
Do you suppose.......?
(Nah......) =)
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