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Hi, I have the Philips DVD8631 latest firmware CD21 (updated from 9D03) recently. I do not have the problems featured on the (many) pages of this forum. I do not want to cross update firmware to Benq, etc.
What DVD+R media is most suitable for this drive?
Imation MBIPG101 R04 work flawlessly
Ritek R03 have more PI errors, small (but annoying) playback problems - I tried them with Philips DVD8631 9D03 firmware and latest CD21 firmware.
I want to try MCC 003 as I want printable (NON-full face) DVD+Rs. I love the Imation MBIs but can't get printable ones (at reasonable price) with the MBI code.
Any experiences of DVD Media, especially DVD+R, used with this drive (in any country) would be greatly appreciated.
I live in London, UK.
Thanks. :)
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Hello 7seven,
The problems with the Philips DVD8631 was a manufacturing problem most likely. (A bad batch)...
If you had problems with it (Which I did) it would just not work period, it made me go mad ! Name it, we all tried it. The only solution was to get it replaced.
If you have one that works, I hear it works great and people are happy with it ! Yours was probably built a long time ago, since you said you had firmware 9D03, because I was told the new batch said build in March 2005 if I recall.
I know this drive will burn 4x MIN on DVD-R.
Not sure if it supports 2.4x on DVD+R.
Buy quality media, burn slowly and you will get great results !
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I don't want to be rude or sound ungrateful flip218, but you say "What you want to look for is what media is most compatible with your players. ". If you read my post fully, you'd see that I know this. TIt's what I'm asking. I said "What DVD+R media is most suitable for this drive?".
Just because it says newbie next to my username it doesn't mean I'm a newbie, it just means I haven't been using this forum for long.
I don't have the problems I've heard about, I bought my Dell Dimension 5000 at the end of January.
As I said, I don't mean to be rude, it's just every time I post specific questions here, I get answers which are ALMOST patronising as they don't actually answer my queries but try to tell me something I already know. I don't get this problem in any other forum that I use so I'm sure it's because this is the only forum that has 'newbie' next to people's usernames if they are new to a website. Post numbers would be better and avoid misconceptions.
All I want to know is which DVD+R media is most suitable for my drive. People who have used certain media with this drive could tell me of their experiences, just like I said Ritek R03s don't work well with my drive but MBI PG101 R04 (Moser Baer India) work flawlessly.
I would have stuck to MBI but I want non-full face printables.
Could people just list media and say how well it burned and which DVD Players the media worked on. DVD+R especially but -R also.
Thanks. :)
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I don't want to be rude or sound ungrateful flip218, but you say "What you want to look for is what media is most compatible with your players. ". If you read my post fully, you'd see that I know this. TIt's what I'm asking. I said "What DVD+R media is most suitable for this drive?".
You need to re-read what I posted.
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I said "What DVD+R media is most suitable for this drive?".
Lemme repeat myself .... If you wanna check out your burner: http://www.videohelp.com/dvdwriters
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flip218, but you say "What you want to look for is what media is most compatible with your players. ".
Lemme repeat myself again :) .... To check your players: http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers
There is a difference between players (ie. stand alone DVD players) and your burner (Philips 8631).
Again ... You asked which media is best for your player. I answered it.
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In my experience most burners will burn most media.
Most descent media can be burned in any burner ... but will they play in your standalone?
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I'm surprised you're a moderator. It doesn't matter what you meant, you still posed your own question instead of answering mine.
I basically asked which media is most suitable for my drive.
I repeat, I basically asked which media is most suitable for my drive.
I repeat again just in case you decide to put words and questions in my mouth instead letting people who have experience with this drive answer:
I basically asked which media is most suitable for my drive.
I didn't ask which media is suitable for my DVD Player. Should I repeat myself?
Flip218: "You asked which media is best for your player. I answered it."
No you didn't, not really. You said: "In my experience most burners will burn most media." Wow! That really answered my question. If you read my post properly you'd see that I had probs with Ritek R03, MBI worked. Maybe 'most burners will burn most media' but that doesn't address my question or help me at all.
I am definitely sure now that some here are patronising to new users because they think the new users are ALL newbies, as they like to ask (and sometimes answer) their own questions instead of helping by answering the question/s asked. Example:
"Most descent media can be burned in any burner ... but will they play in your standalone?" I am not remotely interested in this question. I want media (in combination with my drive) that'll play in most DVD Players, not just my DVD Player. I have friends and family you know. If I wanted to ask this question, or wanted to know about what other problems I should be thinking about other than burning reliability I would have said.
I want media suitable for my drive - this includes playback on most DVD Players as well as the actual burning. I asked which media is most suitable for my drive not which media burns very good with my drive. I mean what's the point of having great burns when they won't play back in most DVD Players?
I'd rather stick to the subject now, getting bored of this silliness.
Ok
Could anyone who has used the Philips DVD8631 (without problems) list the brand name, media (manufacturer) code, whether it's +R or -R, burning success and playback 'success' like this:
Ritek R03 DVD+R - burns okay at 4x - playback issues - 70+ PI Errors
Imation MBIPG101R04 DVD+R - burns fine at 4x - flawless playback = 8+ PI Errors
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I'm surprised you're a moderator
be surprised you still here.
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Imation MBIPG101 R04 work flawlessly
Ritek R03 have more PI errors, small (but annoying) playback problems
That isn't necessarily the burners problem. It could be the player.
And when it comes to media, the general rule is get quality media.
Check this site. http://digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
and to tell you the truth alot of people have had problems with this drive. just search the model. Most have solved their problems by switching out the drive.
I don't know if you'll get a specific list, but keep in mind try to use quality media.
BTW, what playback problems did you have? And was it on a standalone or your pc?
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I am definitely sure now that some here are patronising to new users because they think the new users are ALL newbies, as they like to ask (and sometimes answer) their own questions instead of helping by answering the question/s asked.
Dude grow up, you need to know we are all here on our free time to help. I don't see too many other people willing to answer you question.
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"Most descent media can be burned in any burner ... but will they play in your standalone?" I am not remotely interested in this question. I want media (in combination with my drive) that'll play in most DVD Players, not just my DVD Player. I have friends and family you know.
It's all related!!! Anybody can burn, but the end result always is ... Will it play? Will it play for your friends and family?
Your missing the point.
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I want media suitable for my drive - this includes playback on most DVD Players as well as the actual burning.
You said you were having problems with Ritek's. But it looks to me that you were able to burn them, right? But you had problems playing them ... which could be a compatibility problem with your player.
that is why I said "what media works best with your players".
Your getting all uptight over things that are related. If you find a compatible media, that works with your standalones and your friends and families standalones ... I'm telling ya it will work in your burner
Anyhow, that's it for me.
Good luck .. I guess.
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I'm not really sure I want to join in as I sure don't want any scolding from a mod but here goes.
First: the best assurance for a good burn and compatability is to use good quality, proven media. Verbatum datalifeplus (Azo dye), and taiyo yuden are the two most recommended.
Second: dvd+r booktyped dvd-rom is the most compatable format for stand-alone dvd players. Next is dvd-r followed by dvd+r.
Third: keep burn speeds at 4x to minimize possibility of write errors. You can experiment with higher speeds but keep in mind this will usually decrease compatability.
I have a benq 1620 and use verbatum dvd+r hub printables booktyped dvd-rom and am yet to find a stand-alone player that won't play them.
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I sure don't want any scolding from a mod but here goes.
Mort,
I thought you liked it when we scold you :)
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I have a benq 1620 and use verbatum dvd+r hub printables booktyped dvd-rom and am yet to find a stand-alone player that won't play them.
Have you tried not changing the book type? I've never had to do that.
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Hi flip,
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I thought you liked it when we scold you :)
I knew it, there ya go pickin on me :~)
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Have you tried not changing the book type? I've never had to do that.
I haven't tried it for a long time. If my memory serves me right, I've never had compatability problems with my stand-alone players but my brother has a high dollar JVC that doesn't like dvd-r or dvd+r but will play dvd-rom.
I have booktype utilities for both my dvdrw's and they automatically set booktype on dvd+r media to dvd-rom. If it aint broke don't fix it, ya know.
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hi mort...
looks like the "Quote:
" part was mispelled? anyways, haven't been keeping up with the news lately here on AD...don't mean to get off topic flip, i think you handled this topic VERY well~ :P
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
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ok now i majorly messed it up too~
anyways, i think flip handled this topic very well~ :P
i was just saying, i think you mispelled the quote-qoute word mort, and i did something really weird~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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Forgive me if i have joined too late, i saw the word Imation and thought it warranted a quick line or two. (i'm at work so at least i'm now subscribed to the thread i can answer properly later if i can).
Anyway, as i say i saw the word Imation. I'll be polite when i say they are atrocious. They may appear to work well but the trouble with inferior quality media is just that - it's inferior and the only consistency will be they will consistently let people down. Pls see the second link in my sigature, then the first.
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oh dear i've read a bit further thru the post and i'm beginning to regret joining this thread :)
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creaky,
Too late, you're committed.
kivory,
I've corrected my error, thanks for pointing that out. It was late and flip had me all shaky hehe :~)
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no worries buddy~ :) flip has me shaking all the time, FROM LAUGHTER, that is w/ his comments~ :P
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
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lmao, i replied to a thread recently where flip had then replied differently to me on something. I was like OMG how would i word my next reply without getting a slap :)
(it was about PIO modes and there was more than one answer to the question but i still didn't want a slap, especially as i'd been used as target practice by 2 posters in one week and new posters passing thru might have thought i was always up for a rumble or something)
(dare i say there is one quote from flip above that is absolutely priceless but i'm not saying which one!)
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Hi every one !!!
Good news for all !!!
I've a damn Philips DVD8631 DVDRW
And YES I've burn a DVD and it's working great !!!!!
All you have to do is to cross flash to a Benq drive with the latest update G7V9 ( the link is below ), reboot and ... Tada !!!
I've burn many disc and they're all working on my 3 dvd players (cyberhome, philips, and a citizen )
I,ve tried many things on the web , include the firmware upgrade from DELL ( yes, my computer is a dimension 4700) and all does'nt work, until I tried this firmware upgrade from BENQ (released 9 june 2005)
thanks to anyone for their posts, it is where i've got clue to how to start my search/test !!! :)
I hope someone else will be happy about this news !!!
ftp://12.145.38.159/dvd-rw/firmware/dw1620a/bulk/g7v9.zip
ho ... I've forgont to say to you, I'm burning on princo/noname blank dvd ...
See ya !!!
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Right, I'll ignore the nonsense, I'll rise above it (someone has to) and get straight to the point.
This assumption that some media is not compatible with some DVD players is wrong - flip, you are wrong. Burn quality affects whether a DVD works or not. Media burns better with some drives than others, that's where the 'compatibility' lies flip.
It's just that some DVD players are more sensitive than others - the Ritek DVD+R R03 media doesn't burn 'deep' enough with my Philips DVD+-RW Drive, so it didn't work on the DVD player in my brother's room, but it worked well in mine, although with some jitter. These discs burn very well in other drives, and work perfectly with the same DVD player model as mine when burned using these drives. No wonder I'm getting 'attacked', even the moderator here knows less than I do so was not able to answer my questions or help in any way.
I told you more than once Flip that there's no problems with my drive. That's what I mean, you pose your own questions.
MCC 003 works flawlessly with this drive (Philips DVD8631) - works on all the DVD players I've tried
MBI PG101 R04 works flawlessly with this drive - works on all the DVD players I've tried
Ritek DVD+R R03 does not burn 'deep' or good enough so only sensitive DVD player can read these when they are burned using this drive. This media works well with a few other DVD+-RW Drives but not with mine.
Not all DVD Media work well with all DVD Writers
Whether a DVD plays on your DVD Player or not doesn't depend on whether your media is compatible with your DVD Player - this assumption is wrong. It's down to sensitivity of the laser of the DVD player. If your DVD media burns as near perfect as possible + it's a DVD+R Disc with booktype set to DVD-ROM, it'll work in 9/10 DVD Players, no matter what media brand/code you use.
Bottom line:
All that matters is whether the DVD media can be burnt well (good quality) with your drive. You have to find the DVD media that your DVD+-RW 'prefers' and you'll find that the disc burns deep enough (technical: the pits that are burnt) to be read near 100%.
I have had no problems with my drive - absolutely love it. Used it with firmware 9D03, CD21 and the latest GD30. At no point have I had any problems other than 'compatibility' if you want to call it that. This is not a problem with this drive because it is seen in most if not all DVD+-RW Drives where some media burns better. Admittedly, MCC 004 (under Verbatim and some Intense) and Taiyo Yeden works flawlessly all the time with most drives but if you can get the same quality for less money, why pay more? I can get MCC 003 for £20 or £11 depending on if I want the Verbatim brand on it or another, but it's pretty much the same quality disc. Same chemicals used, although maybe different equipment but the burn results are the same. It's like when JVC gets another company (out-sources) to make TVs, slaps their brand on it and pushes the price up.
Hope all that have had the problems with the Philips DVD8631 drive have them sorted out as it is a fantastic drive for me.
I hope I have enlightened (and corrected) some people on the misconceptions of DVD media etc.
Hey Mort, you can get Media with the same quality as the Verbatim you use for cheaper. What speed is it? If it's 8x I can give you a link to a popular website which has these. They are printable, but not full face. If's it 16x, I can tell you what to look for but you'll have less luck. Do you burn at 16x even if they are 16x? I don't know anyone that does. If you're prepared to burn at max speed 8x (sometimes 12x depending on your drive) and would be satisfied with printables that are not full face, I'll give you the link so you could at least check it out.
Thank you and bye.
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This assumption that some media is not compatible with some DVD players is wrong - flip, you are wrong.
No I'm not. Believe what you want, whatever.
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Right, I'll ignore the nonsense, I'll rise above it (someone has to) and get straight to the point.
and just to let you know ... being a smartass isn't the smartest route.
Your not rising about anything. Your choosing to believe what you want to believe.
And your wrong about media working best with certain burners. It's either good quality media or it isn't. The quality media will burn great with any burner out there. The crap one's won't no matter which brand of burner you use.
And I'll tell you again, the compatibility lies with the dvd player. Take for instance PS2's .. they only like -R media (from what I've read). And no where I've read they like a certain brand, or need to be burned with a certain burner.
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Thank you and bye.
I can make that happen.
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I hope I have enlightened (and corrected) some people on the misconceptions of DVD media etc.
You haven't done crap. You think we're new to this?
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