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paztelu
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10. June 2005 @ 16:09 |
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Well I have seen that verbs say that they have advanced Azo dye?? what is The Azo Dye?? what are its pros and cons? what it is made of, could someone help me?
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ScubaPete
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10. June 2005 @ 16:32 |
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Advanced AZO is one of the worst discs on the market.
Advanced METAL AZO made by Verbatim is one of the best - period !
Check it out yourself
http://dvd.identifier.cdfreaks.com/
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paztelu
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10. June 2005 @ 22:47 |
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Hi, so you mean advanced azo are a brand of disc, I though Advanced azo was a technology used In the DYE, Im no using verbs with the advanced Azo technology and I wanted to know what pros and cons this technology brings to this discs. ;-)
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11. June 2005 @ 08:52 |
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scubapete, whats going on here......my legit verbatim datalife plus -r 8x say advanced azo....no mention of metal!!!!
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12. June 2005 @ 02:38 |
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here is some more clarification on the advanced azo topic..i had replied quite a few times in VARIOUS threads about Verbatims, but ALL the credit should go to creaky for his searching skills. :)
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/194749
check that thread, the other threads that he linked i spoke at lengths about they AZO dyes/differences/similarities w/ another member~ :P
hope that helps a bit~
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Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
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12. June 2005 @ 07:25 |
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pieman
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12. June 2005 @ 14:50 |
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jim-dandy, not sure bout that....I dont see great in his post!!I read the link from kivory 666, thanks....there is a definate differance between the verbs made in india and the ones made in taiwan..appearance for one,performance another.The indian ones just about pass but border on shitek!
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12. June 2005 @ 14:59 |
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Well great azo is a crappy disc, and its possible that scubapete just got the name wrong.I googled the name advanced azo, and all I found was verbatim. I know pete well enough to tell you that he highly endorses verbatim.
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pieman
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12. June 2005 @ 16:17 |
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thats good enough for me then jd thanks!
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12. June 2005 @ 17:22 |
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12. June 2005 @ 17:33 |
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sorry, i guess i read scubapete's post too fast, i THINK he does mean the manufacturer/brand that is horrible~ i would have to agree there, i kind of went off on a tangent about the actual DYE processes used in the Verbatim media~ my misinterpretation~ :)
either way, hope the info i provided helps with a tiny part of the topic at hand regarding the DYE on Verbatims used...
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
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14. June 2005 @ 05:17 |
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cor look what happens when i'm at work, i miss out on Verb posts. I only started looking for new posts this afternoon as took a break over the weekend.
Right....i must admit i skim-read anything that says Azo, though it looks like i missed the 'Great Azo' bit. Fear not i shall read this thread properly and work out the distinction.
As for the Indian Verbs i believe they're old stock. I've use loads without a single problem myself (i bought them thru Ebuyer at the time, though i just use www.svp.com now)
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14. June 2005 @ 05:20 |
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Righ, i checked JD's Meritline link. I can honestly say i'd not heard of those, however now that i've seen them i'd avoid them purely as they're obviously trying to look like quality by simply having Azo in the name. Err no i don't think so!.
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14. June 2005 @ 05:30 |
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The +R 8x GreatAZO is going to come up Ritek003 but the -R is generic ID and I would not really purchase this brand. My two cents :~)
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14. June 2005 @ 06:59 |
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I copied this from one of ScubaPete's posts
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Orange Pack, Princo, Great AZO and 90% of Memorex plus many others are just not that good for DVD burning. Those same discs however, are quite good for your MP3 music, picture archives, Spread sheets and Data..Even DataSafe G04?s made by Ritek have been reported as an inferior quality media and are evoking that ?Oh no, I shouldn?t have gotten those.?
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/133106
I personally have never used "great azo" media, but I've seen the name thrown around before.If somebody says they dont like a certain media, and that someone, is a person I respect,then I'm not buying that media.We're supposed to learn by mistakes, either our own, or other peoples.
That being said...Can you believe how manufactures try to deceive us buyers just by a name, like Great Azo,HQ,etc.
Pretty soon they will come out with a name like NC(not crappy)RG(real good)JP(just peachy)
BUYER BEWARE.
later guys
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14. June 2005 @ 07:04 |
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'Pretty soon they will come out with a name like NC(not crappy)RG(real good)JP(just peachy)' - lmao , well put JD :)
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14. June 2005 @ 15:11 |
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JP(just peachy)
Now that is the brand for me, lol :~)
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14. June 2005 @ 15:33 |
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Howdy all,
To attempt to shed some light on things, When the AZO first came on the scene they were the property of Verbatim, and considered, "Top of the line". About 6 months ago Verbatim released the name (AZO) and began making "Advanced Metal AZO" mostly made by MCC and I believe one package made by TY. With the release of the name AZO, it was picked up by a several Mfgrs, the biggest of them, "Great AZO". If you want a treat, put Great AZO into DVD Identifier and you'll find the Mfgr listed as a holding company that does no Mfgring at all. In fact, they sub the actual making of Great AZO discs out to 9 different companies under 12 contracts - all 9 companies are "no name" companies and, as should be expected, the quality is unbelievably poor.
Back to Verbatim ~ some long time ago, there were indeed some Verbatim made by CMC and, as should be expected, the quality isn't consistent BUT those days are gone. Yes, you'll still see some older stockpiles around BUT they are all 2X discs. Any Verbatim's, 4X and higher will be made by MCC, possibly a few by Taiyo Yuden with some very, very few, I believe older stockpiles of DVD's, made by Ricoh. Discs not made by Verbatim that sport the word AZO should not be trusted. Though to attach the name to their discs they must use the dye and app BUT the composite discs is of a poor quality the pressed on dye tends to be uneven, sometimes even "Spotty".
Some notes on other discs, Fuji +R are fine discs where their -R discs are not. The same holds true for Maxell, +R = good, while their -R = not to be trusted.
The US government has promised to streamline the media business so that it's not so confusing BUT they've been saying that for over a year and I've seen no evidence of even the beginning of a change. Perhaps, when Hell freezes over (Lol). Until then, we'll keep checking our discs with DVDIdentifier and DVDInfoPro AND we'll continue to monitor pple who report errors.
Again, though the newer discs are stamped 12X, we should remember that that writing speed is good for Data, not for Video work. Even using Taiyo Yuden's and Verbatim 8X Advanced Metal AZO and DataLife PLUS, I've found writing errors at speeds over 8X and every once in awhile, a coaster. Using the "top of the line" discs, I've found 6X speed to be fairly dependable BUT when adding Ritek and Ricoh to the mix, I suggest staying at 4X. It's not worth it to me to save a minute or two when I know, if I burn at 4X all the time, I can reasonably expect a 100% perfect copy. By the same token, even the very best discs are prone to being tapped on the disc edge where chipping of the disc and dye can occur with regularity. It seems a shame to have that happen, thereby making a disc unplayable so, for that reason alone, I continue to recommend setting the DVD Target size to 4360MB. I like having that little extra bit of disc protecting my DVD's from a tragic end.
I hope I removed some of the mystery from this confusing topic.
Cheers all,
Pete
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14. June 2005 @ 16:09 |
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Some notes on other discs, Fuji +R are fine discs where their -R discs are not
The only thing(that I can tell) I dont agree with is... I have Fuji-r 8x I.D. as TYGO2,very good stuff,as long as you can find the one's marked made in Japan,your golden.
Thanks for clearing the Advanced/Great Azo debate up for us ScubaPete :)
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paztelu
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14. June 2005 @ 21:17 |
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Well I know -R fuji can be trusted if their made in japan (I have at least 50 of those, although already burned) but the made in taiwan (The only stock now) are by prodisc and not very good so that is in part true, although I just bough a 50 spindle of +R and they are TT02 and their very good quality.
PS: I plan to buy a 50 pack of DVD+R JP, what do you think?
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15. June 2005 @ 20:14 |
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(Huuummm, . . . . . )
The 8X are relatively new discs, made well after I posted my information. They seem to be just fine but that doesn't make all of their 2X and 4X -R discs good, they are still crap no matter where they're made.
I'm not sure where the Japan Vs. Taiwan came from BUT, IMHO,it certainly seems misleading.
Trying to identify good discs from bad all centered upon where they're made is something I have no intention of getting into ~ recommending disc because of their plant's local, Perhaps I'm wrong ?
I'm very sure all of you will be here and step up to the plate when pple like paztelu begin saying,
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Well I know -R fuji can be trusted if their made in japan
Made in Japan they are BUT they still are still made by Prodisc OR Pioneer, While the +R discs are made by Ricoh and indeed are a fine product.
And now the news that has taken me by surprise, all the discs I thought for so long were just fine, the Ritek, G03 (RiData), Ritek G04's, RiDisc (G04)AND I almost forgot the new G05's (8X)~ though they're not listed, Ritek is making them I believe, though I might be wrong on that one disc. I always thought they were OK and now they're not ? ~ Man, that's a bit of media you're trashing and I don't know why except that their made in Taiwan, is that why ?
Can someone PLEASE tell ole' ScubaPete what is, all of a sudden, so wrong with this media ?
AND, while we're at it, . . . . How come Princo is now a fine discs to buy because it's made in Japan ?
I humbly await my education of all the newly labeled, poor media, . . . . . .
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16. June 2005 @ 04:35 |
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Well I'm not about to try to school one of my mentor's in anything,let alone media.I'm also not going to say that all media made in Japan is good, and all media not made in Japan is bad.My statement pertained to Fuji only.The 4x-r Fuji's are made by prodisc(less than great media IMO)and marked made in Taiwan.The Fuji's 8x-r are marked TYGO2(some of the best you can buy)and marked made in Japan.As far as how all this works with the +r media, I cant say, because I only use the -r. My antique players wont play the +r stuff, and my burner doesn't support bit-setting,and my wallet doesn't support buying new players:)
I sure hope media made in Taiwan is good, because better than half of my backups, are on either ritek GO4 ridata, or Verbatim,and I've never had a problem with either.I've heard some bad stuff about the GO5 ritek, but I can't say anything about them, because I've never tried them,and those are just opinions from some people in here.I've heard others dispute this claim.
As far as Princo being good,I've only heard bad things about those, and with my experience in Princo,I'm not arguing that point at all.So at least for Princo media, the made in Japan thing means nothing.
Others in here have researched the "techy" side of media a lot more than I have.I pretty much stick with what works.Taiyo Yuden,Verbatim,Fuji,Ritek,all made in different parts of the world,all have been very good for me.
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16. June 2005 @ 04:44 |
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I use what works for me, i.e. TY, Verbatim, Fuji and TDK. Here is something from an older article I read and feel sums up the whole thing
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Although a DVD may look like a simple piece of cheap plastic, it has to be manufactured to extremely rigid and critical physical standards.
So how do I tell which is the best media to use ?
Well, it depends on your burner. Many manufacturer's sites have recommendations as to which media have been found to be compatible with their burner. But in general, there are some "brands" to be avoided like the plague. Digitalfaq.com has an informative page dedicated to this common question. It's worth reading before rushing out and purchasing a large quantity of DVD recordables.
You may also want to download the DVD Info software, which will usually identify the actual manufacturer of even the no-brand discs. The routine also has a surface sector check routine to map out any surface defects. Detail and additional links to download sites, may be found at the web address below.
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
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Avoid "bargain" media like the plague.....
The DVD-R must have been recorded on a suitable working DVD writer, with proper calibrated laser power levels (most newer writers are quite accurate). There are slight differences between media manufacturers in the formulations of the dyes used however. Note that just because brand X media worked great in one of your DVD burners, that brand may cause nothing but headaches in another model burner even though it was a high quality brand. Thus most DVD burner manufacturers will note on their web site, brands that have shown to yield excellent data integrity for that model.
The surface should contain no scratches or fingerprints. Though resilient, the oils and acids present in our hands has a detrimental effect on polycarbonate over time. Always handle a DVD by the outer edges - never by the hub (Data is recorded from the center hub to the outside, and the critical INF and BUP files are often on the inner most tracks). Manage to cleverly destroy the INF & BUP files and the DVD is "history".
Media should be stored in a jewel or DVD case in a temperature controlled environment. Exposure to excessive heat (ie: above 120 deg f) will destroy a DVD. (Yet another reason not to leave a DVD exposed to direct sunlight or stored in an attic)
Exposure to acids or solvents will spell instant disaster.
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16. June 2005 @ 06:10 |
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hmm...this thread has been brought to my attention again regarding the discrepencies some people have seem to be touting in here...
i am not here to offend anyone, especially you scubapete as i have learned QUITE a LOT from your various guides and your very knowledgeable comments regarding media, software, burning, etc.
but here it goes...
i don't know where this has been said, but, i quote scubapete on this as i would STRONGLY disagree with this statement as well Quote:
AND, while we're at it, . . . . How come Princo is now a fine discs to buy because it's made in Japan ?
princo is a taiwanese based company that i bought about 3 years ago when i began my dvd-burning journey, they are COMPLETE GARBAGE in MY opinion as i had mentioned to someone that out of a 100 pack spindle, 98 of them WILL NO LONGER play on my computer, let alone a table-top dvd player~ i think people are beginning to "make things up" as i have yet to see Princo's made in Japan~ and even if they were, they are still utter trash~
regarding your "made in taiwan" comment scubapete, i think many newbies in here are reading some of MY posts on here a little too quickly before digesting what i really say~ for that i will take responsibility for, i suppose that is partially MY fault :P
lately, when people ask or recommend about media purchased locally, they don't really stop to think about what they are saying before posting up here in the forums. I have personally made comments regarding MY own preferences and when buying locally, i've mentioned to others that when purchasing FUJI or SONY 8x dvd+r format, IF they find the ones "made in japan" they will most likely get Taiyo Yudens (media coding YUDEN000T02). the reason i am going around touting this is i HAVE purchased about 500-600 discs under the FUJI or SONY brand name locally, in the dvd+r format, and they've ALL scanned out being TYs (made in japan comes into the picture again)~
others have purchased the same identical discs but found out when they got home, that the spindle was "made in taiwan" and therefore got either prodisc or some other media manufacturer that they were not expecting~ and as jim_dandy stated, the TYGO2s are the Taiyo Yudens that he obtained by finding the Fuji 8x dvd-r format MADE IN JAPAN again~
believe it or not, at least lately, there ARE ways to "better your chances" of getting what you want IF you take the time to nitpick and find the necessary clues ON the spindle before purchasing it locally~ the difference between the MADE IN JAPAN to the MADE IN TAIWAN generally holds true as to what discs you will get, for the most part, an example being...the MIJ 8x dvd+r FUJI/SONY are Yuden coded, while the MIJ 8x Fuji dvd-r are TYGO2s...
ok, im really just repeating myself over and over again, for that i apologize, but, as to the debate about "made in taiwan are no good" and "made in japan are great"...i had a HEATED arguement about that with someone not too long ago, i tried my very best to clear the air and let EVERYONE know that statement is a bunch of bull$hit~ the poster basically put down EVERYTHING in terms of media coming from taiwan, i tried to gently correct him, but, as is with everything on here, everyone is entitled to their opinions...
i for one have had hundreds of backups on Ritek media, i consider it number 3 in terms of my PERSONAL preferences in media, all mine were made in taiwan and i have yet to see an authentic Ritek to be made elsewhere. others have despised the G05s, but, me, i think they are great~ that brings me to Verbatim, as they are my number 2 preference in media..also again, MADE IN TAIWAN~ older stock from singapore, but, now mostly MADE IN TAIWAN~...and the media bashing continued...
anyways, i don't know how to word this correctly as im sitting here frustrating MYSELF trying to convey whats REALLY on my mind about media~ there are just SO many misconceptions with people on here...so many misleading assumptions based on nothing more than "what they heard from so and so"...if a particular brand works for someone, they go around "recommending it" to everyone they know..newbies don't know any better, so they believe the 1st post they read and go out and spend their hard earned money and get screwed over...
as i always say, go with what works for your OWN individual setup...there ARE some well known truths about media that are well regarded as FACT based on SO many bad experiences from SO many different people. people just tend to lump ALL this information together into one huge pile of $hit and them blab it on here to mislead people even further...
i try to help and assist as much as i can, i have had TONS of experience with various media and manufacturers over the last 3 years...i suggest and recommend to people what has WORKED well for me as well as countless OTHERS...when people take what i say and twist it around to how they see fit, it comes across with an ENTIRELY different meaning and the problems continue...
anyways, this is frustrating the hell outta me...scubapete...to answer your question... Quote:
Can someone PLEASE tell ole' ScubaPete what is, all of a sudden, so wrong with this media ?
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING...too many people think that if they are made in taiwan they are crap because that is what EVERYONE seems to be believing nowadays...i have recommended Verbatim AND Ritek countless times on here BOTH of them made in Taiwan and people STILL are under the assumption that "if it's made in taiwan, it's gonna suck"...im done...some people are just too hard headed~
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paztelu
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16. June 2005 @ 06:20 |
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Ok Scuba when I meant, I can trust Fujis that are made in Japan is quite true, by experience I know that Fujis made in japan are made by Taiyo Yuden Company while made in Taiwan are made by Prodisc, so I do trust Fujis that are made in Japan because I actually know this, Im not classifiying disc from where their made, but that information is my only source to know who makes the disc (or does the fuji packs say "made by prodisc" or "made by taiyo yuden", so that is why im sure I can say that, I know you Cant classify media by where they are made but with certain brands you can because you know that japan=taiyo yuden, taiwan=prodisc, I dont see any other way of knowing if your buying a Fuji by prodisc or Fuji by Yuden before opening the box, if you find another way inform me ;-)
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